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Had the flag not been upside down, I would have called it a nothing burger. But I remember when the Marines made that “mistake” during a World Series game. It’s a big deal.
This is what is ruffling your feathers?...Come on now.......

The implication is that forced mandates are turning this country upside down.

Which is what the Freedom Rally was all about.
 

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And you people thought that the protest wouldn't accomplish anything. It sank O'Toole.
 

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I assume you're referring to bverhunter post 145, what I liked was his pointing out the orgazizers history of white nationalism and racism. I didn't click like for anything about fake news.... unless it's a different post, I really don't know which you are referring to.



I do know the difference between an opinion piece and a news article, but unless you're suggesting the Sun doesn't hold it's columnists to editorial standards, then they wouldn't allow one to state something that isn't verefied. There's a difference between an opinion "I think someone will put a swastika on the Terry Fox statue" versus "a swastika was put on the statue".
Guest columns and Toronto Sun columnists are different and even guest columns are held to some standards and the media outlet would add a disclaimer that they do not necessarily share the views of the guest columnist. There is no such disclaimer on this piece. It's one of their own staff writing it.
I was talking about your like of post #141 (image attached below).

We all have political biases. But it’s important to be consistent in how we apply our standards to different settings. Otherwise there’s no point to have a discussion. Each of us would just repeat our own selective narrative of facts.

Where there a few hate and racist symbols at the convoy? Yes. Some extremists involved? Yes. Are those to be condemned? For sure. But if you want to use that as an excuse to disparage and condemn the whole movement and thousands/possibly millions that feel the same way about mandates including vaccine mandates and the many peaceful people who support the convoy, then you have to be consistent. There have been many left-wing protests over the last few years. They have been a lot of rioters, people actually damaging statues of historic figures, and a lot of hateful things being said and written in social media by some supporters of those movements. If you are consistent in your judgment and hence also disparage and condemn the entirety of those movements because of these extremist and violent elements, then I respect your point of view.
 

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This is what is ruffling your feathers?...Come on now.......

The implication is that forced mandates are turning this country upside down.

Which is what the Freedom Rally was all about.
Listen. There’s no shame in calling out bad behaviour, even at a cause you support. I 100% support their right to a peaceful protest. And you can’t always control what idiots show up. Rather than say the swastikas were a false flag and gov’t agents…. Just denounce it.

Even Trudeau said he exercised poor judgement wearing blackface.

I myself am questioning whether we need to lesson restrictions after seeing ArrowHead Stadium jam packed 2 weekends in a row. I saw the need last year, and now I have some questions. However, Virology is not my major.
 
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I was talking about your like of post #141 (image attached below).
Fair..... you caught me in a moment of confirmation bias. I should have seen the video for myself and come to my own conclusion rather than than simply clicking Like on a post from someone I usually agree with. That is on me, I own that. I think everyone on terb (not to mention real life) is guilty of this from time to time and I am 100% guilty in this instance and probably some others too.

We all have political biases. But it’s important to be consistent in how we apply our standards to different settings. Otherwise there’s no point to have a discussion. Each of us would just repeat our own selective narrative of facts.
I agree 100% on this. However I do find that protest supporters in this discussion violate this far more than those against.

Where there a few hate and racist symbols at the convoy? Yes. Some extremists involved? Yes. Are those to be condemned? For sure. But if you want to use that as an excuse to disparage and condemn the whole movement and thousands/possibly millions that feel the same way about mandates including vaccine mandates and the many peaceful people who support the convoy, then you have to be consistent.
I have no issue with people exercising their right to demonstrate against whatever issue is important to them. I haven't been critical of the peaceful protesters (except those who dragged their kids to this). I don't condemn them for feeling vaccine mandates are wrong, even if I disagree. I think the true, peaceful supporters been used by the organizers in order to push their own agenda, but I don't fault them.
But I also don't buy into "they're doing this for all Canadians" any more than I believe sports lockouts and strikes are "for the fans".

There have been many left-wing protests over the last few years. They have been a lot of rioters, people actually damaging statues of historic figures, and a lot of hateful things being said and written in social media by some supporters of those movements. If you are consistent in your judgment and hence also disparage and condemn the entirety of those movements because of these extremist and violent elements, then I respect your point of view.
I agree and I have. Someone posted a photo of a terry fox statue holding a rainbow flag and I posted that it's inexcusable, leave the statue alone. I would say the same if my parents added the spanish flag celebrating their heritage or if the Leafs went to the cup and someone put a Leafs flag or hat on the statue. I think some statues should come down, but it should be done by the city/county whatever, I do not support anyone taking it upon themselves to damage property that is not theirs and have posted that too. Someone posed an image of a war memorial calling heathcare workers or vaccinated the real heroes (i forget exactly) and someone suggested it was actually antivaxx doing that and I called bullshit on that too. Every group has its assholes including my "side".

I hope you are making your very valid points to the many pro-protest posters (say that 5 times fast "pro-protest posters") who are all over the place in their defence of the convoy.
 
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I watched the link, it says nothing of what you claim. The hosts asks if some of the $6 million in mostly anonymous donations could have come from Russia as a disinformation campaign. She doesn't say it happened. Its a fair question and one that should be considered.

That's what journalism is supposed to do.
She is asking explicitly if Russian actors might be involved in the convoy, because “Canada has been tough on Russia on the Ukraine issue”. In my definition, that’s suggesting. But you’re right that she is “asking” and not “claiming”. I hope you are consistent in your view of what fair and good journalism is, in that as long as something is posed as a question then it’s fine. For example, if someone asks a question about what we know about the mrna vaccines long term side effects (which from a nonexperts point of view at least sounds very reasonable to ask), then you should be okay with it. But I have a feeling you’ll jump to label that question as spreading “misinformation” and being “harmful”, and you would support it being removed and you might even think the person who asked the question should be cancelled.

ps. To avoid possible accusations let me say that I’m happily vaccinated (not that it should be any of anyone’s business).
 

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I was talking about your like of post #141 (image attached below).

We all have political biases. But it’s important to be consistent in how we apply our standards to different settings. Otherwise there’s no point to have a discussion. Each of us would just repeat our own selective narrative of facts.

Where there a few hate and racist symbols at the convoy? Yes. Some extremists involved? Yes. Are those to be condemned? For sure. But if you want to use that as an excuse to disparage and condemn the whole movement and thousands/possibly millions that feel the same way about mandates including vaccine mandates and the many peaceful people who support the convoy, then you have to be consistent. There have been many left-wing protests over the last few years. They have been a lot of rioters, people actually damaging statues of historic figures, and a lot of hateful things being said and written in social media by some supporters of those movements. If you are consistent in your judgment and hence also disparage and condemn the entirety of those movements because of these extremist and violent elements, then I respect your point of view.
The post you imaged in that message from me was accurate.
I checked your source and it didn't say what you claimed, the CBC host asked a question and didn't say it was a fact.
Having journalists ask representatives questions is what they are supposed to do.
That's not even commentary.

What you claimed from CBC was wrong.
 

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She is asking explicitly if Russian actors might be involved in the convoy, because “Canada has been tough on Russia on the Ukraine issue”. In my definition, that’s suggesting. But you’re right that she is “asking” and not “claiming”. I hope you are consistent in your view of what fair and good journalism is, in that as long as something is posed as a question then it’s fine. For example, if someone asks a question about what we know about the mrna vaccines long term side effects (which from a nonexperts point of view at least sounds very reasonable to ask), then you should be okay with it. But I have a feeling you’ll jump to label that question as spreading “misinformation” and being “harmful”, and you would support it being removed and you might even think the person who asked the question should be cancelled.

ps. To avoid possible accusations let me say that I’m happily vaccinated (not that it should be any of anyone’s business).
I would be very happy to have CBC journalists ask the medical experts questions we all want to know about the vaccine.
What would be misinformation is asking, say, johnlarue, about the science behind climate change.
Or asking Rogan about vaccine efficacy.
Journalists asking respected experts is exactly what you want journalism to do.
 
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