Politics and Providers.

[Male4Strapon]

Government is pointing the finger at the unvaxxed to deter focus from the real problem...our terrible healthcare system.

The unvaxxed are a real problem Our terrible healthcare system is also a real problem. Neither is caused by the other. They only make the existence of the other worse.

It's also a political strategy, create division in society and cater to the 90% in hopes of getting a huge number of votes from that 90%.

Everything has some political motivations but intentionally creating "division in society" is not political strategy, especially for the incumbent.
You try to keep your base while gaining from those whose support you don't currently have. They're not rejecting non-supporters.
You may feel like that's what's happening if you are among those non supporters but that is not any political party's strategy. Just the opposite, they want a united society that supports them. What you feel is causing division is actually them trying to tell you that you are simply in the wrong camp and you should be on theirs. They're not trying to push you away, they want to embrace you and welcome you. It's not personal, it's business.
They're not creating division, it's supporter acquisition...... no different than a company advertising their products. "Buy Nike because Nike is the best" not "be a Nike customer or fuck off."
People of all political leanings need to stop treating this like it's an us versus them. The Liberal Party doesn't care about me anymore than they do you neither does any party. They view us all as voters and nothing more.

 

[jazzbox]

This conversation generally follows the same route. Unvaxxed persons clogging up health care and the socially conscious vaxxed who detest them.

Health care has been a trash can fire for decades and our comparatively expensive yet vastly underperforming system has been unable to cope with surges that were manageable in other nations.

There is no end game being presented here. Vaxxines were voluntary until they weren't, they've not stopped the spread and they don't prevent hospitalization. We're now into the 3rd round of these shots while some countries are rolling back all mandates entirely. Assuming everybody gets vaxxed which 'should' reduce admittance rates based on the variant of the day, now we only cancel say... 50% of other procedures since we've made no progress in improving our system?

Folks that have been making poor lifestyle choices are now conducting themselves as the example to follow. If you're a heavy drug user, smoker or are very overweight, you have little credibility denouncing anybody where the health care burden is concerned.

If a fraction of the government spending that has driven this ridiculous inflation had been pumped into the industry then we'd have something to show for it. As it stands, we have unsustainable deficit/debt and a sole source hope that these shots suddenly reverse trend and stop covid.

For the record, I've had both shots and a booster.

Youstart off fine but then you start making stuff up. Vaccines do prevent hospitalizations. Ontario is estimating that vaccines reduce your risk of hospitalization by 82%. They reduce the risk of entering the ICU by over 91%. Just from a cost perspective alone that is pretty convincing argument To get the damn vaccine. The Ontario data suggest that there is a significant reduction of risk in acquiring the virus - over 50% reduction. BTW government spending did not drive inflation It merely made up for lost income, rents and revenue that would have been lost and not it even that really. There are lots of causes behind the current inflation including high household credit and debt, low interest rates drivin housing and household spending, disrupted supply chains and virus induced labour shortages. Govername t borrowing and spending is a small piece of this.

 

[Johnny_TryHard]

Back to the original point, I can see the thinking of offering a discount to an influx of potential customers showing up for a brief time but any gains in this could be offset by backlash from those opposed to the protest and its participants. After all, discounts for this would appeal most to men from out of town who will likely never return. But the men you piss off are the guys who could come often and may now go elsewhere.
Angel's Touch and other providers would be smarter to offer a discount to everyone for these couple of days. You still accomplish the goal of bringing in more customers (including but not limited to convoy participants) and you don't alienate your clients on either side. The small loss of offering discounts to more people than you intended would be made up in increased customer traffic, goodwill among your clients regardless of their views and most importantly you don't risk losing the locals who were or could be regular customers.

You are correct I think but you are also assuming local men would be pissed off. I think any local who reads it all will be driven more by any urges then any political feelings. Yes, I get it its anti vax but people wont get pissed off by a Lady trying to make a buck off these truckers in the same way as if the Ladies were sucking up to (no pun intended) child abusers.

 

[pof1]

The unvaxxed are a real small problem Our terrible healthcare system is also a real HUGE problem. Neither is caused by the other. They only make the existence of the other worse.

 

[Cotti]

Admin please lock this thread man! we here to read ANYTHING OTHER than politics.

 

[Male4Strapon]

You are correct I think but you are also assuming local men would be pissed off. I think any local who reads it all will be driven more by any urges then any political feelings. Yes, I get it its anti vax but people wont get pissed off by a Lady trying to make a buck off these truckers in the same way as if the Ladies were sucking up to (no pun intended) child abusers.

Maybe, but the fact someone even created this thread in the first plce and a couple of guys have expressed they don't support this shows the risk is there and could have been avoided with a better strategy.

 

[foto]

Youstart off fine but then you start making stuff up. Vaccines do prevent hospitalizations. Ontario is estimating that vaccines reduce your risk of hospitalization by 82%. They reduce the risk of entering the ICU by over 91%. Just from a cost perspective alone that is pretty convincing argument To get the damn vaccine. The Ontario data suggest that there is a significant reduction of risk in acquiring the virus - over 50% reduction. BTW government spending did not drive inflation It merely made up for lost income, rents and revenue that would have been lost and not it even that really. There are lots of causes behind the current inflation including high household credit and debt, low interest rates drivin housing and household spending, disrupted supply chains and virus induced labour shortages. Govername t borrowing and spending is a small piece of this.

I'm fond of jazz, but I'm not so sure I'm keen on your take here. The vaccines reduce hospitalizations overall but don't necessarily keep a person from getting sick or dying. I'm not arguing against vaccination in any event; however, I would say that reduce does not equal prevent. I’d generally like to see a few more people opt to get vaccinated but there aren’t many guarantees that would put an end to all of this.

As we’ve seen, any new variant can put us back to basically square one.

I’m not making stuff up, pumping more dollars into the country to chase a constant volume of goods and services will make things more expensive. High credit debt is not new, low interest rates are not new, massive government stimulus is pretty recent.

 

[pof1]

It's too early to tell for sure, but there is a good chance we will soon see studies that show the vaccine does not work against omricon variant.

 

[jazzbox]

I'm fond of jazz, but I'm not so sure I'm keen on your take here. The vaccines reduce hospitalizations overall but don't necessarily keep a person from getting sick or dying. I'm not arguing against vaccination in any event; however, I would say that reduce does not equal prevent. I’d generally like to see a few more people opt to get vaccinated but there aren’t many guarantees that would put an end to all of this.

As we’ve seen, any new variant can put us back to basically square one.

I’m not making stuff up, pumping more dollars into the country to chase a constant volume of goods and services will make things more expensive. High credit debt is not new, low interest rates are not new, massive government stimulus is pretty recent.

Supply chain disruptions are new though and consumers have rebalance their spending away from entertainment, travel and eating out to =ward household good, renovations you name it. That has built inflationarmy pressures in some sectIons of the economy. Government spending basically filled the gap that would have been created with shut downs and most involved transfers to households and firms etc.

BTW, the data is here on hospitalization reductions: https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/

 

[scarecrow119]

OP chiming in.

First, after reading all the responses, i have mixed feelings about bringing up this topic. I was inspired to bring it up, partly to vent my frustration at the whole anti vax movement and partly to gauge the level of tolerance for their views. I am somewhat surprised at the level of support for those who choose personal freedom over being responsible citizens.

I am also surprised when businesses do this sort of thing so publicly. It does tend to alienate clientele. To be honest, they are entitled to their views, I would just prefer not to know what the are, and remain blissfully ignorant.

 

[blacklabdog]

OP chiming in.

First, after reading all the responses, i have mixed feelings about bringing up this topic. I was inspired to bring it up, partly to vent my frustration at the whole anti vax movement and partly to gauge the level of tolerance for their views. I am somewhat surprised at the level of support for those who choose personal freedom over being responsible citizens.

I am also surprised when businesses do this sort of thing so publicly. It does tend to alienate clientele. To be honest, they are entitled to their views, I would just prefer not to know what the are, and remain blissfully ignorant.

I am surprised hat topic is on every message board I am on almost with opinions split very close to 50-50. I just pray things go without any violence. I feel sorry for businesses in DT Ottawa who will see business reduced or decided to close for the weekend

 

[jalimon]

In the event that I get fed up by the girl talking only politic during the act... I ask for a long no hand blowjob. Case closed. Ears relieved and eventually the penis too!

 

[scarecrow119]

Thinking about it, a smarter move for the business would have been to offer the discount to everyone who is sick of Covid and Covid restrictions. I doubt this would be divisive because I am pretty sure everyone is sick of them at this point. It would have also allowed anyone to project their own politics and opinions on it.

Are you sick of covid restrictions? Why yes, I am tired of the Government telling me that I have to wear a mask and be vaccinated.
Are you sick of Covid restrictions? Yes, I am tired of people who can't follow the rules and clog up the health care system.

See it works either way.

 

[Gurney]

You see, this is why nobody is going to convince anyone on the other side about the validity of their arguments. When you're going around calling the other side plague rats, the dialogue is already over.
To me, it was a no-brainer to get the vaccine shots, so I got them for myself. But we were told early on that once we achieve something like 60-70% compliance, then we would have herd immunity, and we'd be protecting even the non-vaccinated from getting infected. We've gone way beyond that, it's something like 80-90% compliance in Canada, so why the hate for the non-vaccinated? Nobody required 100% compliance.

No scientific did said it was 60-70%... It was all guessing by mostly peoples that had no real scientific knowledge about it....

 

[massman]

To answer the original question (and not COVID-19 related questions that the thread has veered off into) the owners are just trying to capitalize on the fact that there will be a huge gathering in town of a demographic that is likely to use their services, and they want the biggest piece of the pie. I’d bet most regular customers of theirs could care less about rewarding these idiots.
I don’t. Think it’s a political statement, it’s a business one.
As for the rest of the thread, belongs in the COVID-19 section in the lounge. Mods should move it.

 

[dioman]

To answer the original question (and not COVID-19 related questions that the thread has veered off into) the owners are just trying to capitalize on the fact that there will be a huge gathering in town of a demographic that is likely to use their services, and they want the biggest piece of the pie. I’d bet most regular customers of theirs could care less about rewarding these idiots.
I don’t. Think it’s a political statement, it’s a business one.
As for the rest of the thread, belongs in the COVID-19 section in the lounge. Mods should move it.

100% a business decision though, we'll see if their decision pans out great for them in the coming weeks. Hope everyone stays safe and healthy this weekend

 

[curiousm7]

Why do providers feel the need to post their politics upfront in their advertising. I went to look at the Angel's touch schedule and the are offering a discount to the trucker convoy. From where I stand this is a super divisive. By offering a discount, they are pretty much aligning themselves with the anti vaxxers crowd and are now choosing to alienate the pro vaccine crowd.

Except it's not an anti-vaxx protest. Yes, there are anti-vaxx folks within the protest but, it's an anti-mandate protest. There's a huge difference between anti-mandate and anti-vaxx.

 

[MarianneC]

No scientific did said it was 60-70%... It was all guessing by mostly peoples that had no real scientific knowledge about it....

Seemed like a whole bunch of doctors being interviewed on TV were saying it. If they don't have scientific knowledge, then who does?

 

[curiousm7]

There are 700 unvaxxed in Ontario hospitals. We live in a province with 15 million people. A swing of +/- 700 people should not turn our healthcare system upside down, should be a small blip on the radar.

Yes people should get vaccinated generally speaking.

However the unvaxxed are not the problem.

...and over 1800 vaxxed in hospital

 

[skeeterjohnson]

People that get covid stay home to recover man, it's a joke, the only people in the healthcare industry that gets it are the nurses and the hospitals are empty because the NURSES aren't there, they're at home gargling salt water and drinking coffee.