Politics and Providers.
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The system can't improve when there is more strain on it due to people being unvaccinated and taking up space they shouldn't within the hospitals.
You can't fight for our health care system to improve while also simultaneously fighting to clog it up even more, that's contradictory at best.
The unvaxxed are disproportionately clogging up hospitals. That is a fact. The experts have been saying that vaccines, along with certain protocols, are the ticket out of this thing, yet people still choose to remain unvaccinated. There really is no better way to describe this than selfish. We get locked down because of the strain on the health care system which is strained because some are choosing not to do their part and a disproportionate number of those are ending up in the hospital.
People are frustrated. I get that and I too am frustrated. But the frustration is misdirected. The people keeping us in this situation are those choosing not to do their part and get vaccinated. The government has made some significant mistakes along the way, no doubt, but mandating vaccines is not one of them. Some people will not choose to do the right thing regardless of the impact it is having on others.
People are frustrated. I get that and I too am frustrated. But the frustration is misdirected. The people keeping us in this situation are those choosing not to do their part and get vaccinated. The government has made some significant mistakes along the way, no doubt, but mandating vaccines is not one of them. Some people will not choose to do the right thing regardless of the impact it is having on others.
Our hospitals have been fucked up since the 90s. My mom had a stroke in 2003 and was in the hallway for 2 days before being packed into a 6 patient room.
Quit thinking this has anything to do with covid.
Perhaps if they had spent the last 2 years increasing our hospital and ICU sizes and not firing nurses we would have been better off. But this plastic dividers and one way arrows and constant vaccine adds were money well spent in lieu of actually funding healthcare.....
Interesting thought would be to see if the convoy actually did bring more business to the spas (shouldve arrived next week so they could spend money at the rippers....) Be absolutely hilarious if they used the go fund me for HEs lolol
This conversation generally follows the same route. Unvaxxed persons clogging up health care and the socially conscious vaxxed who detest them.
Health care has been a trash can fire for decades and our comparatively expensive yet vastly underperforming system has been unable to cope with surges that were manageable in other nations.
There is no end game being presented here. Vaxxines were voluntary until they weren't, they've not stopped the spread and they don't prevent hospitalization. We're now into the 3rd round of these shots while some countries are rolling back all mandates entirely. Assuming everybody gets vaxxed which 'should' reduce admittance rates based on the variant of the day, now we only cancel say... 50% of other procedures since we've made no progress in improving our system?
Folks that have been making poor lifestyle choices are now conducting themselves as the example to follow. If you're a heavy drug user, smoker or are very overweight, you have little credibility denouncing anybody where the health care burden is concerned.
If a fraction of the government spending that has driven this ridiculous inflation had been pumped into the industry then we'd have something to show for it. As it stands, we have unsustainable deficit/debt and a sole source hope that these shots suddenly reverse trend and stop covid.
For the record, I've had both shots and a booster.
Health care has been a trash can fire for decades and our comparatively expensive yet vastly underperforming system has been unable to cope with surges that were manageable in other nations.
There is no end game being presented here. Vaxxines were voluntary until they weren't, they've not stopped the spread and they don't prevent hospitalization. We're now into the 3rd round of these shots while some countries are rolling back all mandates entirely. Assuming everybody gets vaxxed which 'should' reduce admittance rates based on the variant of the day, now we only cancel say... 50% of other procedures since we've made no progress in improving our system?
Folks that have been making poor lifestyle choices are now conducting themselves as the example to follow. If you're a heavy drug user, smoker or are very overweight, you have little credibility denouncing anybody where the health care burden is concerned.
If a fraction of the government spending that has driven this ridiculous inflation had been pumped into the industry then we'd have something to show for it. As it stands, we have unsustainable deficit/debt and a sole source hope that these shots suddenly reverse trend and stop covid.
For the record, I've had both shots and a booster.
Are you implying that people who don't believe what you believe are not critical thinkers?
The "convoy" is mainly just yokels in pickups. There aren't so many big rigs involved, as they got real work to do. I'd say go to the spa, express your support for this thing, and get the $10 off your door fee. Whether you support them or not.
Most truckers (at least on the Canadian side) have had all of their jabs, just like the general Canadian population. This protest doesn't really affect them.
There are 700 unvaxxed in Ontario hospitals. We live in a province with 15 million people. A swing of +/- 700 people should not turn our healthcare system upside down, should be a small blip on the radar.
Yes people should get vaccinated generally speaking.
However the unvaxxed are not the problem.
Yes people should get vaccinated generally speaking.
However the unvaxxed are not the problem.
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This has never been a relevant point during the pandemic, and if you were actually a "critical thinker" or whatever you fancy yourself, you would've accepted that already (because the same pushback is always provided when someone brings up that comparison, and it's impossible for you not to have encountered it).
1. drug use, smoking, and being overweight are not contagious
2. drug use, smoking, and being overweight do not "activate" in groups of people simultaneously and require for them all to be treated at the same time
Deficit scolds do not understand economics. It's a childlike mentality, treating national debt like household debt.
I guess they feel its warmer to advertise online then hang around a truck stop drumming up work on the last weekend of January.
Back to the original point, I can see the thinking of offering a discount to an influx of potential customers showing up for a brief time but any gains in this could be offset by backlash from those opposed to the protest and its participants. After all, discounts for this would appeal most to men from out of town who will likely never return. But the men you piss off are the guys who could come often and may now go elsewhere.
Angel's Touch and other providers would be smarter to offer a discount to everyone for these couple of days. You still accomplish the goal of bringing in more customers (including but not limited to convoy participants) and you don't alienate your clients on either side. The small loss of offering discounts to more people than you intended would be made up in increased customer traffic, goodwill among your clients regardless of their views and most importantly you don't risk losing the locals who were or could be regular customers.
Angel's Touch and other providers would be smarter to offer a discount to everyone for these couple of days. You still accomplish the goal of bringing in more customers (including but not limited to convoy participants) and you don't alienate your clients on either side. The small loss of offering discounts to more people than you intended would be made up in increased customer traffic, goodwill among your clients regardless of their views and most importantly you don't risk losing the locals who were or could be regular customers.
According to prov govt web site, 232 ppl in ICU are not fully vaccinated and 231 in ICU are fully vaccinated. Remember, the unvaccinated is roughly 10% of the population yet the occupy 50% of the ICU beds so yes, those who are not fully vaccinated are significantly straining the healthcare system .
Covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations
I think comorbidities have certainly been a relevant point during the pandemic. A weakened immune response resulting from any of these conditions would likely have a negative impact on outcomes. These conditions don't need activate simultaneously, they're always active.
Household debt doesn't crush healthcare spending, I've made no such comparison. National funding resources are scarce, like any other resource. Money and government attention to rectify what has been repeatedly identified as the limiting factor in our return to normal would almost certainly have made some positive impact.
I once showed up at an incall and the SP had a Montreal Canadiens shirt hanging in her room...I stayed and she was terrific but first impressions were not great.
Big Brain Moves suggested . + i believe its only $10 off anyway so thats not really a huge discount....
Don't disagree that a percentage of those 232 may not be in the hospital if they were vaxxed. Even assuming all 232 would not be there, the impact would be extremely minimal.
Government is pointing the finger at the unvaxxed to deter focus from the real problem...our terrible healthcare system.
It's also a political strategy, create division in society and cater to the 90% in hopes of getting a huge number of votes from that 90%.
It's also a political strategy, create division in society and cater to the 90% in hopes of getting a huge number of votes from that 90%.
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