CNN ratings down 90%

[Frankfooter]

Read my earlier post. Were the people rioting, burning buildings and attacking police that summer protesters or insurrectionists?

93% of those protests were non-violent protests, supported by 67% of the population of the country.
So yes, those were protesters who never attacked the government of the police.

The intent of the Jan 6 mob was to overturn the democratic results of the election.

Despite the hundreds of thousands that protested for racial equality for most of a summer, there were fewer arrests and serious charges then from the single Jan 6 coup attempt.
Because they were peaceful protests for social change, not to overthrow the government.

 

[Fun For All]

People can only stomach so much trash.

Is FOX News any better? Absolutely. They also suffer from biases, but CNN really is in a league of its own.

FNC will have a night time lineup of Jesse Watters, Tucker, Hannity, Laura Ingram and Gutfeld...who is the respectful trusted news source among that crew?

 

[Fun For All]

Were the ones shouting 'hang Mike Pence' protesting when they broke through doors and windows and stormed the building?

Read my earlier post. Were the people rioting, burning buildings and attacking police that summer protesters or insurrectionists?

I hope you guys aren't arguing about which bunch to cheer or boo?

They were all brutal...

 

[jcpro]

FNC will have a night time lineup of Jesse Watters, Tucker, Hannity, Laura Ingram and Gutfeld...who is the respectful trusted news source among that crew?

Opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion...and late night comedy.

 

[Uncharted]

93% of those protests were non-violent protests, supported by 67% of the population of the country.
So yes, those were protesters who never attacked the government of the police.

The intent of the Jan 6 mob was to overturn the democratic results of the election.

Despite the hundreds of thousands that protested for racial equality for most of a summer, there were fewer arrests and serious charges then from the single Jan 6 coup attempt.
Because they were peaceful protests for social change, not to overthrow the government.

Most of the protesters in washington were peaceful. Only a small percentage actually entered congress, and they were there protesting the results of an election held duing a pandemic, using electoral processes, that were changing in many jurisdictions right up until the last minute, and were typically not even considered legal until they were rammed through because of the pandemic. Those processes alienated and limited voter turnout from many older age demographics. So it was hardly fair, and as to how democratic it was is debatable considering it heavily relied on processes never considered legal before. The post office admittedly missed the delivery deadline for hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots for various regions.
That election was a shit show. Now would any of this changed the outcome. We will never know. That is the point. It was so mis-managed, no one will ever know what the results should have really been.

And the protesters that summer were peaceful were they? Is that why cities were on fire burning every night for weeks on end? Yeah. Real peaceful protesters.
They were no different than those who turned violent in Washington. God forbid anyone color the actions of all the Black Lives matter protesters because of the actions of some. But you can't wait to color the whole crowd in Washington because of the actions of some.
Typical leftist hypocrisy.

 

[Uncharted]

I hope you guys aren't arguing about which bunch to cheer or boo?

They were all brutal...

Agreed.

Peacful protest is fine, but when you take it to far and riot causing property damage , that crosses the line. But no one was participating in an insurrection. Like I said, if you are trying to mount an insurrection, you don't stop to pose for selfies behind desks in empty offices waiting to be thrown out by authorities. Which is what the so called insurrectionists did.
They were rioting assholes. Same as those rioting assholes in the cities that summer.

 

[Frankfooter]

Most of the protesters in washington were peaceful. Only a small percentage actually entered congress, and they were there protesting the results of an election held duing a pandemic, using electoral processes, that were changing in many jurisdictions right up until the last minute, and were typically not even considered legal until they were rammed through because of the pandemic. Those processes alienated and limited voter turnout from many older age demographics. So it was hardly fair, and as to how democratic it was is debatable considering it heavily relied on processes never considered legal before. The post office admittedly missed the delivery deadline for hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots for various regions.
That election was a shit show. Now would any of this changed the outcome. We will never know. That is the point. It was so mis-managed, no one will ever know what the results should have really been.

And the protesters that summer were peaceful were they? Is that why cities were on fire burning every night for weeks on end? Yeah. Real peaceful protesters.
They were no different than those who turned violent in Washington. God forbid anyone color the actions of all the Black Lives matter protesters because of the actions of some. But you can't wait to color the whole crowd in Washington because of the actions of some.
Typical leftist hypocrisy.

Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.

 

[Fun For All]

Agreed.

Peacful protest is fine, but when you take it to far and riot causing property damage , that crosses the line. But no one was participating in an insurrection. Like I said, if you are trying to mount an insurrection, you don't stop to pose for selfies behind desks in empty offices waiting to be thrown out by authorities. Which is what the so called insurrectionists did.
They were rioting assholes. Same as those rioting assholes in the cities that summer.

If you had to riot about something, what would you say is the better cause...a cop's careless brutality that results in a dead person or a politician saying the election was stolen with no proof?

The point I'm trying to make is that I was outraged at what Derek Chauvin did and then I couldn't believe how stupid people could be to fall for the big lie...

 

[Fun For All]

Most of the protesters in washington were peaceful. Only a small percentage actually entered congress, and they were there protesting the results of an election held duing a pandemic, using electoral processes, that were changing in many jurisdictions right up until the last minute, and were typically not even considered legal until they were rammed through because of the pandemic. Those processes alienated and limited voter turnout from many older age demographics. So it was hardly fair, and as to how democratic it was is debatable considering it heavily relied on processes never considered legal before. The post office admittedly missed the delivery deadline for hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots for various regions.
That election was a shit show. Now would any of this changed the outcome. We will never know. That is the point. It was so mis-managed, no one will ever know what the results should have really been.

And the protesters that summer were peaceful were they? Is that why cities were on fire burning every night for weeks on end? Yeah. Real peaceful protesters.
They were no different than those who turned violent in Washington. God forbid anyone color the actions of all the Black Lives matter protesters because of the actions of some. But you can't wait to color the whole crowd in Washington because of the actions of some.
Typical leftist hypocrisy.

There was no reason to protest the election...they were stupid, duped by a dishonest guy...

If you're one of those guys that are still questioning the results with no proof and every issue debunked than you will never be convinced...

 

[mandrill]

Most of the protesters in washington were peaceful. Only a small percentage actually entered congress, and they were there protesting the results of an election held duing a pandemic, using electoral processes, that were changing in many jurisdictions right up until the last minute, and were typically not even considered legal until they were rammed through because of the pandemic. Those processes alienated and limited voter turnout from many older age demographics. So it was hardly fair, and as to how democratic it was is debatable considering it heavily relied on processes never considered legal before. The post office admittedly missed the delivery deadline for hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots for various regions.
That election was a shit show. Now would any of this changed the outcome. We will never know. That is the point. It was so mis-managed, no one will ever know what the results should have really been.

And the protesters that summer were peaceful were they? Is that why cities were on fire burning every night for weeks on end? Yeah. Real peaceful protesters.
They were no different than those who turned violent in Washington. God forbid anyone color the actions of all the Black Lives matter protesters because of the actions of some. But you can't wait to color the whole crowd in Washington because of the actions of some.
Typical leftist hypocrisy.

Except you could probably divide the BLM people into "respectable and peaceful", "politically motivated, but could be assholes", "violent thrill seekers" and "basically there just to loot designer clothing stores" categories with perhaps a little spillover here and there.

With January 6, you're stuck with "assholes and stupid, but not daring enough to do anything really bad" and "yup, they actually shat in the hallways at the Capitol and stole podiums and ashtrays" - i.e. 2 similarly aligned groups of assholes, one group less daring than the other.

 

[mandrill]

Well according to the article Fox news ratings are up while CNN's are down. Don't know why.
This would be the perfect opportunity for CNN get rid of their left leaning baggage, and rebrand themselves as a straight fact based, non opinion, news network. They would corner the market, as nothing like that exists in the States anymore.

Let me help you. Politics are boring, unless you have someone to hate. Up to February 2021, anyone centre-left could hate the Orange Obese Oaf with great relish and excitement. Hence the inflated CNN ratings.

Actually governing and going through the day-to-day grind of running a country - especially a deadlocked, malfunctioning one - is yawny. So you get back to drinking with your buddies, watching porn, stamp collecting or whatever else you do. And the CNN ratings drop.

The Faux News crowd always hates. They hate gays. They hate scientists. They hate city folk. They hate Dems. They hate Blacks. They hate Latinos. They hate immigrants. They hate any reform. They hate unions. They hate uppity women. They even hate any Jesus who isn't their very own, special Jesus. If you just feed them hate every evening, they continue to watch you loyally.

That's the difference in the 2 audiences.

 

[Frankfooter]

Let me help you. Politics are boring, unless you have someone to hate. Up to February 2021, anyone centre-left could hate the Orange Obese Oaf with great relish and excitement. Hence the inflated CNN ratings.

Actually governing and going through the day-to-day grind of running a country - especially a deadlocked, malfunctioning one - is yawny. So you get back to drinking with your buddies, watching porn, stamp collecting or whatever else you do. And the CNN ratings drop.

The Faux News crowd always hates. They hate gays. They hate scientists. They hate city folk. They hate Dems. They hate Blacks. They hate Latinos. They hate immigrants. They hate any reform. They hate unions. They hate uppity women. They even hate any Jesus who isn't their very own, special Jesus. If you just feed them hate every evening, they continue to watch you loyally.

That's the difference in the 2 audiences.

It was discussed earlier in this thread, but the entire argument that ratings are down is that for some reason people aren't watching CNN this January 6 as much as they were last January 6, without considering what was playing on the news that week.

But it fools the right wingers, so on this thread goes.

 

[Uncharted]

There was no reason to protest the election...they were stupid, duped by a dishonest guy...

If you're one of those guys that are still questioning the results with no proof and every issue debunked than you will never be convinced...

The only things debunked were that the election was fixed, or one party cheated.
The fact that it was using practices that normally would not have passed legal mustard if it wasn't for a Pandemic happening was never "debunked". Which means the constitutionality of the way the election was held, would completely have been in question any other time if there wasn't a pandemic happening.
The fact that voting rules were changing in some regions right up to a couple days before voting, alienating older voters from voting was never "debunked".
The fact that the US postal service admitted that they missed the deadline to submit hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots, and thus had to throw them out, because they were not prepared for the volume coming in, was never "debunked".
In an election as close as the previous one was. Any one of these things could have effected the outcome. All three of them most assuredly had an impact. We will never know which side may have benefited or lost from that impact, but we know this was not a fair or accurate election based on these three facts alone, that were never "debunked".

It is no different than the hanging Chad fiasco that Got W. Bush elected. That election was a farce as well.

 

[Frankfooter]

The only things debunked were that the election was fixed, or one party cheated.
The fact that it was using practices that normally would not have passed legal mustard if it wasn't for a Pandemic happening was never "debunked". Which means the constitutionality of the way the election was held, would completely have been in question any other time if there wasn't a pandemic happening.
The fact that voting rules were changing in some regions right up to a couple days before voting, alienating older voters from voting was never "debunked".
The fact that the US postal service admitted that they missed the deadline to submit hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots, and thus had to throw them out, because they were not prepared for the volume coming in, was never "debunked".
In an election as close as the previous one was. Any one of these things could have effected the outcome. All three of them most assuredly had an impact. We will never know which side may have benefited or lost from that impact, but we know this was not a fair or accurate election based on these three facts alone, that were never "debunked".

It is no different than the hanging Chad fiasco that Got W. Bush elected. That election was a farce as well.

So you're saying that Trump, who was in power and had 4 years to fix the system, instead made it so much worse that he claims it was the first election in the US with massive voter fraud?
You're saying Trump totally fucked up the election system so bad that the election he was responsible for was a total failure?

 

[Uncharted]

So you're saying that Trump, who was in power and had 4 years to fix the system, instead made it so much worse that he claims it was the first election in the US with massive voter fraud?
You're saying Trump totally fucked up the election system so bad that the election he was responsible for was a total failure?

The President doesn't control how elections are run anymore than the PM controls how elections are run in Canada.
Nice try though. Trump derangement syndrome still effecting you uh? So much so it impedes your understanding of how the system actually works.

 

[Frankfooter]

The President doesn't control how elections are run anymore than the PM controls how elections are run in Canada.

So why, out of all the elections there in the last century or so, was this the only one that had 'fraud'?
What changed?
Who changed it?
How did they change it?
In what ways exactly was it different from any other election?

 

[Uncharted]

So why, out of all the elections there in the last century or so, was this the only one that had 'fraud'?
What changed?
Who changed it?
How did they change it?
In what ways exactly was it different from any other election?

You love putting words in people's mouths.

Fraud is intentional cheating or fixing of the results.
I have said 2 times now that Fraud was debunked. The issues I listed are not fraud. They are procedural issues in the electoral process that produced inaccurate, unfair, and potentially undemocratic results.

The hanging Chad issue in the Bush election wasn't fraud either. It was just an organizational shit show.

And I listed the issues that were different twice as well. I'm not repeating it a third time just because you can't read. Good day.

 

[Valcazar]

But Uncharted, no one is arguing about those issues.
There was a massive pandemic and people made a bunch of judgment calls and some people disagree with those calls is... fine?
That's not what the GOP and Trump are complaining about.
It is the basis for a couple of lawsuits, and they absolutely did their best to try and use lawsuits to throw out results they didn't like, but that's not what people are talking about when they are talking about the election being fraudulent.
If anything, when it is brought up it is being used as cover to pretend they aren't still advancing conspiracy theories.

 

[Frankfooter]

I have said 2 times now that Fraud was debunked.

Great, we all agree, there was no fraud in the 2020 election.

They are procedural issues in the electoral process that produced inaccurate, unfair, and potentially undemocratic results.

The hanging Chad issue in the Bush election wasn't fraud either. It was just an organizational shit show.

And I listed the issues that were different twice as well. I'm not repeating it a third time just because you can't read. Good day.

But every time they looked and recounted they found that none of that happened.
Anywhere.

Even when the rump team went and got the Cyber Ninjas to come in they couldn't find anything, let alone understand the process and do a clean recount.
There is no evidence anywhere that anything happened by accident or intent that could have changed the massive voter difference between to the candidates.
Just a long list of nonsense that even a cursory look reveals it be as legit as a Rudy court case.

 

[Uncharted]

Great, we all agree, there was no fraud in the 2020 election.




But every time they looked and recounted they found that none of that happened.
Anywhere.

Do you bother to read?

When the US Postal Service admitted they threw out hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots because they couldn't deliver them to the poling stations by the deadline, because they were not prepared for the load. How would a recount show that?
You can't recount what the post office failed to even submit.

Stop. Just stop, you are trying to argue without even reading what I said, you see Trump and then lose all ability to offer cogent responses. Good Day.