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Jasmina

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It's like getting struck by lightning. There's an old dude in my neighbourhood who won jackpot twice in a row.
 

NotADcotor

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AKA "The Idiot Tax"
Lotteries are a tax on the stupid
Lottery = Math for idiots.

There is a world of difference between people who buy loads of tickets or who go in on pools trying to increase their chances of winning [which is still 0] and people who buy a single ticket when the prize gets high just for a chance to dream about something they know will never happen. You know like Montreal and Toronto season ticket holders.

One is special needs, the other is rational fun.
 

amlooking

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I still don't get how the chance is 0 and someone still wins it every 1 out of 5 draws. 5 times 0 is still 0, not 20% like 1 out of 5.
 

NotADcotor

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I still don't get how the chance is 0 and someone still wins it every 1 out of 5 draws. 5 times 0 is still 0, not 20% like 1 out of 5.
1 in 13 million or whatever it is in human terms rounds off to 0.
Being pedantic and shallow is more of a thing for Lois Griffin's meatloaf. Don't be like Lois's meatloaf.

Also I was talking about the main prize. I doubt anyone gets sex nuts and retard strong over winning a free play or 2 bucks.
 

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Has anyone actually won the 1 in 13.8m?
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has anyone ever been hit by lighting?

Here's a pro tip for you. Buy a ticket of every combination then come back and ask if anyone has ever won.

if a tree falls in a forest ...
 
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Leimonis

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Your odds are against 10000000000 to win...now imagine if you're up against those who launder money...they can spend hundreds of thousands and still not win the jackpot, but definitely have better odds than you.
I am not convinced that you are "up against those who launder". I can see them buying a winning ticket from you and paying you extra for it, but I cannot really see them playing as a way of doing business. Had it been a good business, they would buy all the tickets, wouldn't they?
 

richaceg

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I am not convinced that you are "up against those who launder". I can see them buying a winning ticket from you and paying you extra for it, but I cannot really see them playing as a way of doing business. Had it been a good business, they would buy all the tickets, wouldn't they?
no its not but they have the funds to burn vs anybody...
 

amlooking

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Here's a pro tip for you. Buy a ticket of every combination then come back and ask if anyone has ever won.
If someone wins 1 out of 5, I guess that means 5 x 13.8m unique set of number tickets are sold. That's 69m tickets x $5 = $345m gross revenue for OLG...? Give out that $5m and left over with $340m in profits. They must be damn rich. Who owns the OLG?
 

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If someone wins 1 out of 5, I guess that means 5 x 13.8m unique set of number tickets are sold. That's 69m tickets x $5 = $345m gross revenue for OLG...? Give out that $5m and left over with $340m in profits. They must be damn rich. Who owns the OLG?
If it takes an average of 5 draws for the main prize of 6/49 to be won, the probability of a single draw being won by anyone is 1/6. (Geometric distribution stuff.)

This means about 230,000 unique number combinations are covered in each draw to get a 1/6 probability. (1/6 of 13.8 million combinations) That's $690K minimum sold per draw.

What is not known is how many duplicates are sold - people might like the same combos like birthday numbers. I can imagine they sell over $1 million per draw due to the duplicates.
 

Leimonis

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If it takes an average of 5 draws for the main prize of 6/49 to be won, the probability of a single draw being won by anyone is 1/6. (Geometric distribution stuff.)

This means about 230,000 unique number combinations are covered in each draw to get a 1/6 probability. (1/6 of 13.8 million combinations) That's $690K minimum sold per draw.

What is not known is how many duplicates are sold - people might like the same combos like birthday numbers. I can imagine they sell over $1 million per draw due to the duplicates.
well, the only thing you can do to increase your chances in 6/49 is to pick a weird combo that nobody else should be picking so that you don't share if you win. Like 123456. That should give you some idea how bad your chances really are.
 
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amlooking

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I still don't get how if the chance is 0, someone still wins 1 in 5, are they selling 69million unique tickets?
 

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So you have to guess every number exactly (out of 49) and in the exact same sequence as the computer generated draw, for 6 numbers, and you're saying someone wins this one of every 5 draws? For real? I don't understand how it's possible to win this 1/5 for a chance of 1/13.8 million.

The sequence doesn't matter. There are 49 numbered ping pong balls in a machine. At intervals, one of the balls comes out until there are six, then a seventh comes out for the bonus number. When they post the results, they list the winning numbers in numerical rather than sequential order.
 

squeezer

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I know 3 folks who won the jackpot. The most recent was to separate 1M dollar winners and some years ago an associate of mine won the 30M. which he had to split with another winner. Albeit it a million bucks is nothing these days.
 

eddie kerr

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A huge difference between Canadian and American lotteries is that Canadian lottery winnings are NOT taxed. If somebody wins $100 Million in a US powerball lottery, they would pocket less than 20% of that amount.
Recent powerball winner in California I think, 700 million. Who would care how much the taxes were.
 

Leimonis

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I know 3 folks who won the jackpot. The most recent was to separate 1M dollar winners and some years ago an associate of mine won the 30M. which he had to split with another winner. Albeit it a million bucks is nothing these days.
I know a guy who won 2 millions or so but he is in a cash intensive business and fwiw he is from the same ethnic group as a lot of convenience store owners and they have been known for shenanigans with lottery. There was a lot of suspicion that he bought the ticket to launder his cash.
 

NotADcotor

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I still don't get how if the chance is 0, someone still wins 1 in 5, are they selling 69million unique tickets?
Somebody will win. It won't be you or me. The odds are so low they are effectively 0. Not mathematically 0, just 0 in any sort of meaningful way.
 

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If you're doing it to make money, absolutely. Otherwise the excitement might be worth the $2 to some.

I've always treated casinos as just a night out where I'd spend a few hundred. Maybe I'd get lucky and win some of it back but the point was to have a good time.
 
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