They do need their parents consent to go on a school trip anywhere in the city, go figure.
Is parental consent not required if a child chooses to get vaccinated in Ontario school?
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Sure, if they're informed properly and thoroughly with their parents behind them - assuming they live with their parents (the ones who have their best interest at heart and whom they live with).. “I do my own research” gang don’t seem to be mentally capable of making of understanding this stuff either.
Let’s turn this around. Should teenagers be able to refuse the vaccine?
They current can.
Do you think that should change?
Otherwise, tiktok, gaming and selfies is what the majority of them know best these days.
So, 14 year old libertarian, Joe Rogan fan, and informed enough to know MSM can’t be trusted Johnny Smith is taken against his will by his parents to a vaccination site.
When approached by PH with his experimental jab, he refuses citing information he diligently researched on YouTube and Natural News, and recites everything he learned about his rights from social media posts.
Since parents want him to be vaccinated, he shouldn’t be able refuse, right?
This got me remembering:
www.thestar.com
When the Brant Children’s Aid Society did not apprehend Makayla Sault, it was in part because under Ontario law, she is able to make her own health-care decisions, according to executive director Andrew Koster.
Sault, 11, died this week after refusing chemotherapy last year for acute lymphoblastic leukemia. She stopped the treatment after 12 weeks following what she said was a vision of Jesus. She opted, instead, for natural medicine, including a three-week course at Hippocrates Health Institute spa in Florida — a facility being sued by several former employees citing “ethical transgressions.”
Further reading:
Don't assume your child wants a COVID-19 vaccine, parents and public health experts warn
In Ontario similarly, there is no age restriction on the ability to give informed consent. The determining factor is whether the person is capable. A person is capable if he or she is able to understand the information that is relevant to making the decision about the proposed medical treatment and is able to appreciate the reasonably foreseeable consequences of a decision or lack of a decision. There is a presumption that a person is capable with respect to medical treatment and a person is entitled to rely on that presumption with respect to another person unless he or she has reasonable grounds to believe that the other person is incapable. Therefore minors in Ontario are able to give informed consent and make their own medical decisions if they are able to understand the relevant information about the proposed medical treatment and appreciate the reasonably foreseeable consequences. An individual may be capable of making some medical decisions but not others depending on the complexity of the issues relating to the proposed treatment.
Ontario law allows children to determine medical care
Makayla Sault, 11, passed away this week after refusing chemotherapy to treat her leukemia. She exercised her “legal right” under the Health Care Consent Act.
When the Brant Children’s Aid Society did not apprehend Makayla Sault, it was in part because under Ontario law, she is able to make her own health-care decisions, according to executive director Andrew Koster.
Sault, 11, died this week after refusing chemotherapy last year for acute lymphoblastic leukemia. She stopped the treatment after 12 weeks following what she said was a vision of Jesus. She opted, instead, for natural medicine, including a three-week course at Hippocrates Health Institute spa in Florida — a facility being sued by several former employees citing “ethical transgressions.”
Further reading:
Don't assume your child wants a COVID-19 vaccine, parents and public health experts warn
Consent of Minors to Medical Treatment - Siskinds Law Firm
Consent and capacity legislation varies among the provinces such that there are differences as to the requirements and conditions for obtaining consent.
www.siskinds.com
In Ontario similarly, there is no age restriction on the ability to give informed consent. The determining factor is whether the person is capable. A person is capable if he or she is able to understand the information that is relevant to making the decision about the proposed medical treatment and is able to appreciate the reasonably foreseeable consequences of a decision or lack of a decision. There is a presumption that a person is capable with respect to medical treatment and a person is entitled to rely on that presumption with respect to another person unless he or she has reasonable grounds to believe that the other person is incapable. Therefore minors in Ontario are able to give informed consent and make their own medical decisions if they are able to understand the relevant information about the proposed medical treatment and appreciate the reasonably foreseeable consequences. An individual may be capable of making some medical decisions but not others depending on the complexity of the issues relating to the proposed treatment.
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This is why you do more research than just youtube and natural news. Besides, youtube has plenty of points of view from all sides of the mRNA shot discussion.
It also has news in regards to Dr. Fauci working with the Chinese (Wuhan Institute of Virology) in regards to getting the gain of function with this virus, which should make everyone stop and think why an American doctor (who is known to be working with Bill Gates - who predicted something like this years ago at a Ted talk and someone who openly discussed depopulation with vaccines) would work on something like this.
You don't find it odd?
Exactly the reason you should do more research because you're knocking youtube as a source of information. Plenty of MSM and non-MSM outlets are on the site itself.
Social media posts can be good if the source is good, like Robert Malone - one of the pioneers with mRNA shots.
But if you get it from some individual with no credentials, then take it with a lot of grains of salt of course.
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A lot of them struggle with cursive and spelling, let alone math and critical thinking - thinking for themselves.
This seems like how you’d like it to be, not how it is.
So, let’s walk through the reality of the current situation one more time, because I think you may still be arguing against a situation that people that think like you benefit from.
Seemingly capable (see post #45) 14 year old Jonathan Smith shows up with his parents at a vaccine clinic, and it appears to be against his will. PH speaks to the teenager about his understanding of vaccines and COVID and Johnathan politely and capably unleashes on them by totally schooling the ignorant PH workers about Fauci working with the Chinese, Robert Malone and Bill Gates as part of their pitch for refusing consent.
Despite no references to “Fauci,” “Wuhan Institute for Virology,” “Robert Malone,” or “Bill Gates” anywhere on any of the information and resources that PH would be expected to know as a part of their role, despite parents being opposed to the decision their teen made, currently those workers would almost definitely not vaccinate Johnathan.
Am I to assume that you’d like present practices to change in a way that requires a specific threshold of specific knowledge that should be needed for vaccine refusal by a minor?
I would think that would be a threat to anyone unlikely to be served well by the propaganda produced by some combination of PH, the science table, and the Ford government, who would obviously be the ones deciding on what that threshold would need to be.
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That describes 99% of Canada, maybe we should restrict voting to the ones with good penmanship, spelling and are disciples of Socrates.
Again, do you not get that schools aren't doing any vaccination? Public Health or hospitals may use a school gym but the school has nothing to do with it.
The law about decision making on treatments has been the same for decades.
The point is, if they need permission from a parent to go somewhere, how can a decision of injecting a liquid, for which there is no liability, be left up to a teenager?
...or a young child, 12 going on 13
The point is, we’re all lucky to live in a country with a legal system run by people smart enough to recognize that medical decisions and decisions about a school trip are not equivalents.
I feel like part of your argument is rooted in fear mongering about the safety of vaccines, which as you know, is a position that has recently been rejected by almost all citizens, politicians, health scientists, and health care professionals in our country. As you’re aware, the train left the station decades ago for most people of normal intelligence when it comes to antivaxxer army recruitment.
For fun, replace recommended “vaccine” with “cancer treatment” and does that change anything for you?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but a parent not giving their teenager permission to go on a trip to the Science Centre because of their financial situation and/or stance on science and fun doesn’t have the same stakes or consequences as the same rainbow warrior parent not giving permission for their teenager to receive chemotherapy treatment after a cancer diagnosis.
If your argument is “If they’re old enough to make this decision, they’re old enough for all decisions,” that’s cool, bro. Make it your life’s work. As the PPC’s learned, it’s not likely to get much traction beyond the handful of people that feel constrained by our current age of consent laws (
), but I won’t yuck your yeah.As you know, in Canada, you are supposed to get a parent’s permission in order to get a tattoo or piercing if you’re under 18, but you sure as shit can get vaccinated without that same permission.
Why? Because a navel piercing like a school trip isn’t being recommended by our public health system as a means of preventing illness or death.
A decision around going or not going to the ROM will almost definitely not lead to a teenager contracting meningitis, or ovarian cancer from HPV, or permanent brain and lung damage from COVID.
Not coincidentally, these rules also protect capable minors who wish not to be vaccinated, or not to be forced to have an abortion, regardless of parental preferences.
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There are a lot of medical professionals that question these shots.
Doctors and nurses on the front line refusing to take it certainly makes me wonder why they refuse to.
We'll just leave it at that, because a lot of this banter back and forth won't change a thing, which is fine.
Doctors and nurses on the front line refusing to take it certainly makes me wonder why they refuse to.
We'll just leave it at that, because a lot of this banter back and forth won't change a thing, which is fine.
Again, public health and medicine are a very different topic than a trip to the zoo (and therefore laws). Schools don't control Public Health laws.
Our medical consent laws have been this way for as long as I can remember and they're that way for a good reason.
lol that honestly made me laugh.
It's too bad the mainstream media is your only source of news. So it seems.
FYI, did you know the Reuters' CEO is on the board of Pfizer.
Reuters, the international news agency and one which other media companies around the world go to for a good portion of their news.
No conflict of interest there at all.
Sure better than the twitter accounts of docs selling fake vaccine exemptions and chiropractors trying to sell their own covid treatments.
If you survey 500 doctors and 497 agree on something and two of the remaining are trying to sell you something, I'm going to side with the majority. If there was actually evidence for your views, most doctors would follow it.
When evidence based arguments fail, might as well jump to conspiracy theories.
Look, you got your shot. I didn't get mine.
Let's leave it at that.
I'm just posting to counter other posts.
You think you're in the right, I think I am.
Done. LOL
But the Botswana government on official paper said the 4 cases of omicron were in vaccinated.
Guess it's time for more boosters.
Difference is I'm posting information backed by scientific evidence and you are posting.... well I don't know.
