Birmingham UK shootout

[hamermill]

When Trudeau imposes a gun ban on Canada something like this won't happen.

CCTV shows fierce gun battle between two gangs which left man, 22, dead

Naasir Francis, 22, was shot 13 times during violence in Birmingham.

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[sshotrr]

When Trudeau imposes a gun ban on Canada something like this won't happen.

CCTV shows fierce gun battle between two gangs which left man, 22, dead

Naasir Francis, 22, was shot 13 times during violence in Birmingham.

ca.news.yahoo.com

Yes all the criminals in Canada will hand in their illegal guns . Just like they did in the UK.

Oh wait .

 

[The Fox]

Criminals will always have guns. Tougher gun laws are to prevent the all too frequent civvies killing people, eg, Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

[Ponderling]

Take a look at what Australia did as a gun buy back and ban.

I lived there for four years, and gun use in crime was very low - penalties and enforcement of same made it not worth it.

Now knives and clubs were not uncommon occurrences in assault situations reported in the press.

 

[bearjew]

Criminals will always have guns. Tougher gun laws are to prevent the all too frequent civvies killing people, eg, Kyle Rittenhouse.

kyle legally defended himself from attack with a legal firearm

legally owned guns in Canada are not a factor in crimes every person who has a firearms license is screened by the police daily

the majority of gun crimes in Canada use illegal guns, even if every single gun was turned in the criminals have a demand for them so there will always be a supply

The last ban banned rifles that are not used in crimes they have to go back 31 years to use that crime as an example as too why the ban is needed. That alone proves the rifles are not an issue.

 

[basketcase]

I must have missed the news story about Trudeau banning all guns.

NRA inspired paranoia?



p.s. bear, Kyle wasn't legal in possessing the gun.

 

[bearjew]

I must have missed the news story about Trudeau banning all guns.

NRA inspired paranoia?



p.s. bear, Kyle wasn't legal in possessing the gun.

actually he was, the charge was dismissed as the law was poorly written, it only covers short barreled rifles(under 16 inches) his was over 16 inches

you understand the NRA is an American group and does not operate in Canada

 

[barnacler]

...so much easier to just ban crime, rather than only guns.

 

[mandrill]

kyle legally defended himself from attack with a legal firearm
legally owned guns in Canada are not a factor in crimes every person who has a firearms license is screened by the police daily
the majority of gun crimes in Canada use illegal guns, even if every single gun was turned in the criminals have a demand for them so there will always be a supply
The last ban banned rifles that are not used in crimes they have to go back 31 years to use that crime as an example as too why the ban is needed. That alone proves the rifles are not an issue.

Gonna call you on this.

You mean no legally owned firearm in Canada has ever been used in a domestic shooting? Or a suicide?

 

[mandrill]

kyle legally defended himself from attack with a legal firearm

legally owned guns in Canada are not a factor in crimes every person who has a firearms license is screened by the police daily

the majority of gun crimes in Canada use illegal guns, even if every single gun was turned in the criminals have a demand for them so there will always be a supply

The last ban banned rifles that are not used in crimes they have to go back 31 years to use that crime as an example as too why the ban is needed. That alone proves the rifles are not an issue.

Under US law, the firearm and the open carry was apparently legal. And he got off the murder charge with self-defence. Reasonable verdict.

Grosskreutz's gun was apparently legal as well - or would have been if he'd paid the renewal fee for his licence. He was legally allowed to carry a Glock in his hand. (The rightie media claimed Gk was a felon and not allowed to have the Glock, but that has been debunked as false - just like the BS about KR carrying his AR "over state lines").

If KR had not had his AR-15 and Gk had not had his Glock, what would have happened that night?

Waiting for the answer to this?

And then you can tell me if you prefer American gun laws to Canadian and why?

 

[bearjew]

Gonna call you on this.

You mean no legally owned firearm in Canada has ever been used in a domestic shooting? Or a suicide?

Not a factor means they are not a factor they are used infrequently

suicide not much is going to stop that would it be better to jump off a bridge then shoot yourself?

domestics happen yes but the majority of gun crimes are illegal smuggled guns

 

[bearjew]

Under US law, the firearm and the open carry was apparently legal. And he got off the murder charge with self-defence. Reasonable verdict.

Grosskreutz's gun was apparently legal as well - or would have been if he'd paid the renewal fee for his licence. He was legally allowed to carry a Glock in his hand. (The rightie media claimed Gk was a felon and not allowed to have the Glock, but that has been debunked as false - just like the BS about KR carrying his AR "over state lines").

If KR had not had his AR-15 and Gk had not had his Glock, what would have happened that night?

Waiting for the answer to this?

And then you can tell me if you prefer American gun laws to Canadian and why?

kyle may have been beaten to death by that first nutjob but everything in your first question is pure speculation as none of that happened.

I prefer us laws as A jew I'm not in favor of being disarmed by the state.

 

[mandrill]

Not a factor means they are not a factor they are used infrequently
suicide not much is going to stop that would it be better to jump off a bridge then shoot yourself?

domestics happen yes but the majority of gun crimes are illegal smuggled guns

Yup. So let's make sure guns aren't used in domestic violence.

With the US just 80 miles away, we can't stop firearms being smuggled in from the US and used by criminal gangs. But by and large, they kill each other. Granted sometimes this is done publicly and sometimes there are innocent bystanders killed, but this happens in a small minority of circumstances. Guns used by criminal gangs are generally not used to kill non criminals.

So I can live with this arrangement.

 

[bearjew]

Yup. So let's make sure guns aren't used in domestic violence.

With the US just 80 miles away, we can't stop firearms being smuggled in from the US and used by criminal gangs. But by and large, they kill each other. Granted sometimes this is done publicly and sometimes there are innocent bystanders killed, but this happens in a small minority of circumstances. Guns used by criminal gangs are generally not used to kill non criminals.

So I can live with this arrangement.

if you stab strangle or beat a partner to death is it better then shooting?

legal guns are not real problem in Canada

 

[mandrill]

kyle may have been beaten to death by that first nutjob but everything in your first question is pure speculation as none of that happened.
I prefer us laws as A jew I'm not in favor of being disarmed by the state.

KR may have been "beaten to death" by Rosenbaum, but very, very probably not. He would not have attracted Rosenbaum's attention and ire, if he was not armed. Rosenbaum too was only 5'2", I have read. So he may not have been a physical threat, without a weapon to grab at. And if Rosenbaum had attacked KR, it would probably not have progressed beyond a shove.

And yup, all speculation. But reasonable speculation. No fatal altercation with Rosenbaum, KR isn't pursued by others attempting to beat and injure him. End result, 2 more people alive right now and 1 more person who can use his right arm.

And "as a Jew", who do you currently think is going to re open the death camps?..... Justin?...... Ford?.... Moe, the dude in SK?....

I mean, you can only take the "As a Jew" line so far, right? At a certain point, it gets silly. I am going to guess that in Israel, Jews have access to firearms for self defence - because they potentially need them. But Canada??!!??!!

 

[mandrill]

if you stab strangle or beat a partner to death is it better then shooting?
legal guns are not real problem in Canada

It's less quick and efficient. That means the vic has more time to escape and the potential killer has more time for second thoughts. That's kinda the whole point.

 

[bearjew]

It's less quick and efficient. That means the vic has more time to escape and the potential killer has more time for second thoughts. That's kinda the whole point.

but dead is still dead the method matter not firearms are not the weapon used most

 

[bearjew]

KR may have been "beaten to death" by Rosenbaum, but very, very probably not. He would not have attracted Rosenbaum's attention and ire, if he was not armed. Rosenbaum too was only 5'2", I have read. So he may not have been a physical threat, without a weapon to grab at. And if Rosenbaum had attacked KR, it would probably not have progressed beyond a shove.

And yup, all speculation. But reasonable speculation. No fatal altercation with Rosenbaum, KR isn't pursued by others attempting to beat and injure him. End result, 2 more people alive right now and 1 more person who can use his right arm.

And "as a Jew", who do you currently think is going to re open the death camps?..... Justin?...... Ford?.... Moe, the dude in SK?....

I mean, you can only take the "As a Jew" line so far, right? At a certain point, it gets silly. I am going to guess that in Israel, Jews have access to firearms for self defence - because they potentially need them. But Canada??!!??!!

pure speculation the first guy was a nutcase who the hell knows what/who he may have attacked

those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and yes IDF we had guns and as civilian we had guns

the point is more controls are not needed on legal owners the feds need to focus on the illegal guns and stop the smuggling

 

[mandrill]

pure speculation the first guy was a nutcase who the hell knows what/who he may have attacked

those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and yes IDF we had guns and as civilian we had guns

the point is more controls are not needed on legal owners the feds need to focus on the illegal guns and stop the smuggling

Pretty sure they're doing their best with that as we speak.

 

[basketcase]

actually he was, the charge was dismissed as the law was poorly written, it only covers short barreled rifles(under 16 inches) his was over 16 inches

you understand the NRA is an American group and does not operate in Canada

So no, Trudeau was not planning to ban all guns. Thanks.

And yes, the sad part is when Canadians parrot NRA talking points despite us having a totally different legal foundation on guns.