Unfortunately you are wrong mate. If EVERY girl at an agency was trafficked it would be easy for the traffickers to be caught. It is usually a couple in an agency and usually Asian sadly.
Moonwaiting trafficking wtf?
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This..
As long as the trade pays more than CERB did, .....no wait you can actually get both at the same time. The federal government doesn’t want to grapple with making a new law to replace Bill C36 unless forced to by the Supreme Court again nor mess with the very alive and thriving prostitution structure and hypocrisy in Canada.
Yeah, just like the Markham Casino bust - totally legit.
They were charged with Careless Storage of Firearms not Illegal Firearms - perhaps Andy loves guns, but may not have stored them as properly as the police would have liked it.
Yes, because many are here for a short period of time and want to maximize their earnings. If they really were trafficked, I'm pretty sure their service levels would be pretty mediocre...
No it isn't.
Showing same people roster / schedule for last 2 weeks. The dates on the website just automatically update with current date.
Showing same people roster / schedule for last 2 weeks. The dates on the website just automatically update with current date.
Knew one (Originally a resident of BC) of the girls from MW who took more than a month off because Covid cases were going too high. And she didn't want to risk it. And many other girls that planned to stay when talks of first Covid started to get accelerated in early March and just work through it. And then got worried as cases escalated and took off. The girls that I knew would take their time off or go about their business during the day as needed if their were no scheduled appointments.
I'm no lawyer but MW was charged with trafficking as one of the items. My understanding this still has to go through the due legal process to fully prove that. Which likely will not have follow up stories in the media. Similar to the TOE and Zenful bust 6 years ago, they only reported the initial bust. And the government agencies got their initial headline kicker to keep justified funding increasing.
Having said that the enforcement had enough other activity to have ample leverage to take them down as one of the items alone could be sufficient. Such as millions of dollars in illegal untaxed cannabis sales or advertising of prostitution (Traficked or not its illegal since Bill C36).
I'm no lawyer but MW was charged with trafficking as one of the items. My understanding this still has to go through the due legal process to fully prove that. Which likely will not have follow up stories in the media. Similar to the TOE and Zenful bust 6 years ago, they only reported the initial bust. And the government agencies got their initial headline kicker to keep justified funding increasing.
Having said that the enforcement had enough other activity to have ample leverage to take them down as one of the items alone could be sufficient. Such as millions of dollars in illegal untaxed cannabis sales or advertising of prostitution (Traficked or not its illegal since Bill C36).
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No police or criminal charge worries, but if the client contact list ever got hacked, certain advocacy groups would take it viral for sure.
Was anyone stupid enough to give their real name and number? I never partook with MW, so no idea how it worked there.
Most likely this will all be about immigration in the end. LIke paying for girls plane tickets, faking papers, employment and things like that. Prolly against the law to forward a girl $200 for travel and have her pay it back by sucking dick. We'll see if there are sex service related charges that stick.
Who are they? What names they are using in what other agencies? I'd like to see them again to give them my support and cheer them up LOL.
If we were old friends, we are friends forever.
I remembered taking one of the MW girls to Niagara Fall for a weekend. I asked her to go with me for this trip and she took time off from works to go with me. It was very nice and fun time together. We went to the outlet and etc. I bought her some stuffs and she bought me few things as gifts from the stores in the outlet.
When we walked into the casino, the guard checked her ID and I saw her ID that she was 40s years old LOL. WTF, she looks like she was in mid or late 20s to me LOL.
After spending 4 - 5 months here, she went back to Asia and opened her own agency in Shanghai, China, by recruiting girls from Korea to work in Shanghai. She said she made tons of money in Shanghai by charging over thousand dollars per hour to wealthy Chinese clients LOL
It's a real "happy ending" story LOL.
When we walked into the casino, the guard checked her ID and I saw her ID that she was 40s years old LOL. WTF, she looks like she was in mid or late 20s to me LOL.
After spending 4 - 5 months here, she went back to Asia and opened her own agency in Shanghai, China, by recruiting girls from Korea to work in Shanghai. She said she made tons of money in Shanghai by charging over thousand dollars per hour to wealthy Chinese clients LOL
It's a real "happy ending" story LOL.
The most terrifying thing about this thread is the almost complete silence of SPs commenting. They know a lot more than we do.
Which means as clients we really are almost exclusively seeing the shiny exterior of the industry that we’re paying to see.
Been doing this a while and seen my share. Never felt the girl was coerced, though statistically some must have been.
Big question: will this stop me?
No, but I’m damn well never using any real cellphones or other data.
Which means as clients we really are almost exclusively seeing the shiny exterior of the industry that we’re paying to see.
Been doing this a while and seen my share. Never felt the girl was coerced, though statistically some must have been.
Big question: will this stop me?
No, but I’m damn well never using any real cellphones or other data.
The investigation has been going on for several months so LE likely has been monitoring online and lan line activities with search warrants and has real names, numbers and online accounts. No charges against johns are likely and would be hard to get a conviction and the prostitutes are well aware that they have immunity against criminal prosecution under Bill C36 anyway.
First of, everyone go read Chloetemptress's post! We should pin this to the forum.
Secondly, this thread is a study of one's ability to delude themselves.
Here's what's up:
Actually let me start with this:
Andy (& friends) was caught with 34 GUNS!!! 30 FUCKING 4! DO any of you really think this was JUST about an agency?!? That is mafia level shit! It means you're either selling the guns or have 30 people to use them. So wake up already! Clearly he wasn't just posting newspaper ads in Korea advertising sex work here.
1. Just because you have anecdotal evidence ("talked" to 1, 5, etc SPs who you're somehow certain they're not trafficked), doesn't mean there was no OTHER trafficking involved! It's not an a or nothing situation. I don't see any rain outside now; does that mean I can logically conclude that it's not raining anywhere else?!
2. We're all here because we pay for a fantasy. Yet, somehow, so many of you start believing it? The good girls in this trade are masters of it and they'd be stupid not to use it to make regulars and keep you coming back. You all know this, but somehow you believe everything that's told to you by these girls - and laughably you're very skeptical when it comes to other sources. Let me ask you this: how many of you have SOs or know long term hobbyists with SOs that have no clue that their men are doing this? Do you get where I'm going with this? If someone can lie to their SO for years about hobbies, is it very difficult for an SP to lie to you about some aspects? And STILL, after a year long evidence gathering police investigation, you're still skeptical?!
3. How are examples of now-independent veteran SPs validation that there isn't human trafficking at high end agencies? Do you know how many women are initially coerced into the sex trade, only to return to it because they don't have other more lucrative skills? It's the oldest story in the book. And when you go to someone like Juicy Hoshi, do you think she wants to think about those memories or block them? And do you yourself want to think about that situation when you're there, or would you rather hear a lie? Even more, do you think she'd tell you and risk losing a customer?!
4. All of you, please go look up what human trafficking is. It's not strictly limited to selling people.
5. Prostitution is legal in Canada. There's nothing to legalize there. Soliciting, pimping and trafficking are not though.
6. Andy did take appointments over sms. And even the landlines have logs with the phone company. The cops won't come after you, but if you ever get in trouble, it will definitely come up at your trial to show your behaviour pattern. Ever filed a police report with that number? Yep, they now have your name on this. If you contacted MW over the past 2 years, burn your burner. You have it to be safe in these situations, so why not? If you used your real number, learn from this experience.
7. I'm gonna end with an anecdotal example myself. Years back I saw an MW girl on her last day, which was announced very abruptly. She was one of the hottest SPs I've ever had the pleasure to meet, so the little guy did all the thinking that night. She was clearly upset even before she opened the door. Pretty sure she low key cried during the 1h session while we were resting, and it wasn't anything I did. I remember holding her cause I (the little guy) thought that would provide her comfort. That girl did NOT want to be there and I should have just left the money and left. If she had said no at any point I would have done so, but she went along with the session and I did not even have to ask for anything. She was probably just tired from being overworked, but to this day, I feel like it's one of the worst things I've done in my life. I quit MW after that because I knew what they were about. For whatever reason (maybe I'm just a worse person in old age), I started going back last year.
If you're the type to be skeptical about things, then ask yourself why is your skepticism NOT universally applied? Maybe you just don't want to admit that there's a possibility that you - all of us! - are contributing to this issue.
Anyway, prayers to all the "brothers" who got caught with their pants down during these busts! Could have been any one of us.
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I always figured that the big agencies would not engage in trafficking because they have build a Brand Name for themselves. Think big names like Mirage or SexyFriendsToronto - they have strong brands and solid business so they would not want to screw that up. I really do trust them not to put me with someone who does not want to be there, or with someone underage. That is part of what I expect form agencies, to protect me from walking into the wrong situation (or the wrong situation walking in on me)
Seems Moonwaiting failed at all that. Although I will want to follow this case along as much as I can to see what the accusations are exactly, and see if there are convictions.
I recall a few years ago a few of the agencies put together a Certification of sorts, or a set of Standards for compliance with anti-trafficking rules. Not sure whatever became of that, but maybe in light of all this, it could be dusted off and revisited.
I just hope BH is clean, good god, I would hate to have to give that up.
Seems Moonwaiting failed at all that. Although I will want to follow this case along as much as I can to see what the accusations are exactly, and see if there are convictions.
I recall a few years ago a few of the agencies put together a Certification of sorts, or a set of Standards for compliance with anti-trafficking rules. Not sure whatever became of that, but maybe in light of all this, it could be dusted off and revisited.
I just hope BH is clean, good god, I would hate to have to give that up.
I totally understand the impulse to trust the big agencies to not bother with trafficking or underage girls as they want to protect their brand, and by extension their customers. But I used to think the same thing about bars and carding. That is, until one day in university I get tapped on the shoulder by one of my little brother's gf's bff's asking me to buy her a drink. Oh, the point of the story is that she was 15 at the time!
Moral of the story - never assume that other people will do what is in YOUR best interest. Always assume the worst, that way you only get pleasant surprises.
That said, I imagine that the guns and drugs were the main part of the raid and that they just tacked on as many other charges as they could. Gives more leverage to the crown when they (Andy et al.) try to arrange a plea bargain.
Is there a way to follow a case if the media doesn't publish anything? Because back when the TOE and Zenful bust happened years ago. They had their initial bust headlines and nothing after that I could find. And I wanted to see if their was anything further from the initial headlines.
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