REBUILD AMERICA AND FIGHT CHINA?

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REBUILD AMERICA AND FIGHT CHINA?
by Eric Margolis

November 11, 2021
In an age of TV politicians, President Joe Biden is a figure from another age. He is deeply unexciting and suffering from advanced age – a time in life which the great Charles de Gaulle compared to a `shipwreck.’
No mobs of baseball hat-wearing yahoos are about to storm the Capitol for Biden’s sake. However unexciting he may be, President Biden has acted with courage and foresight to enact what America so badly needed: moving away from a wartime to a peacetime economy.
America’s economy has been on a full wartime footing since the Vietnam War. The US Navy alone operates 11 big deck attack carriers, and twice that number of small carriers. A French admiral told me ruefully over a very nice dinner one night that the US Navy’s budget alone was larger than his nation’s entire military budget. US annual military spending amounts to nearly half the world’s total military outlays.
When invited to the Pentagon to consult on the Mideast and Afghanistan, I have always been amazed by the beehive of activity there. America’s vast military-industrial complex was in overdrive. It looked to me like America’s number one activity was war. Not big ones, like WWII, Korea or Vietnam but many small conflicts all over the globe – what British imperialists used to call ‘little wars.’
As many Americans have noticed, their huge nation has been falling apart. US infrastructure has been rusting or crumbling since the early 1960’s. Bridges, railroads, telecommunications, airports, seaports, and highways have not been adequately renovated or restored. For example, key bridge tunnels in my native city, New York, have become perilous due to lack of maintenance and modernization. Politicians love to spend billions on glamor projects but hate spending on basics.
No president since Eisenhower has dared to seriously rebuild or repair the United States. Compared to effectively modernizing Europe, the US often looks thirty years behind and depressingly backwards.
Unfortunately, Biden’s renewal plans, which will cost upwards of 2.5 trillion dollars are to be financed by higher taxes. The imminence of such increases and printing of billions of newly minted dollars has of course ignited a storm of inflation, now running at over 6.2% in the US alone. Meanwhile, the Pentagon continues to spend trillions of dollars preparing for more small wars and gearing up for a big-time conflict with China.
It would have made better sense to raise the hundreds of billions needed to finance the anti-Covid campaign and Biden’s national renovation campaign by extracting the money from the terribly bloated military budget. That would have been the other act of courage needed by the Biden White House. But Biden has not so far been able to even shut the totalitarian Guantanamo prison due to opposition from southern Republicans and, of course, the military.
Biden and his team realize that the coming head-on competition with China will require a modernized United States. Otherwise, it might look more like an updated version of the creaky old Austro-Hungarian Empire than the champion of the western world.
While the US has been wasting trillions on its little colonial wars (‘war on terror’), China has been investing in infrastructure and a brand-new military. Having now been defeated in Vietnam and Afghanistan, the US military risks a much bigger shellacking by China.
The balance of military technology is fast turning against the United States as a major Pacific War looms on the horizon. In that event, the US will be at a serious geostrategic disadvantage by being forced to fight a war thousands of miles from its home bases on the US West Coast while China’s military will operate virtually next door to its home.
This is a war that the US should at all costs avoid. No one can even adequately explain what winning a war with China entails. How do you defeat a colossus on the other side of the world’s largest ocean? Better fix US infrastructure and avoid a fight. As US founder Ben Franklin said, ‘no good war; no bad peace.’
Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2021
 

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Got to the part about America being on a wartime footing ever since Vietnam and decided to hit pause, maybe another time...
 

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Easy for the US to win if it came to war First strike a couple of nuclear subs with ICBMs off the coast of China. Tell China to surrender if not they launch, all Chinese major cities and military facilities are vaporized minutes after launch. Chinese missiles never get off the ground.
 
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Easy for the US to win if it came to war First strike a couple of nuclear subs with ICBMs off the coast of China. Tell China to surrender if not they launch, all Chinese major cities and military facilities are vaporized minutes after launch. Chinese missiles never get off the ground.
You have been watching too much Dr. Stangelove.
 

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You have been watching too much Dr. Stangelove.
I'm sure I've seen it but don't recall it

fact is a first strike via nukes would be the only sure way for the us to knock out china using subs the missiles would be hitting china as they detected them thus the chines would be unable to launch their own missiles

now we know this is unlikely to happen unless china was an immediate threat to the us
 

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I'm sure I've seen it but don't recall it

fact is a first strike via nukes would be the only sure way for the us to knock out china using subs the missiles would be hitting china as they detected them thus the chines would be unable to launch their own missiles

now we know this is unlikely to happen unless china was an immediate threat to the us
Google MAD.
 

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Easy for the US to win if it came to war First strike a couple of nuclear subs with ICBMs off the coast of China. Tell China to surrender if not they launch, all Chinese major cities and military facilities are vaporized minutes after launch. Chinese missiles never get off the ground.
China has hacked so deep into the Pentagon, there is no way the Nukes would even launch…. That and China’s ability to spy through devices, there is no way to plan a surprise first strike.

all that and peace is just so much easier.
 
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China has hacked so deep into the Pentagon, there is no way the Nukes would even launch…. That and China’s ability to spy through devices, there is no way to plan a surprise first strike.

all that and peace is just so much easier.
War bad, Peace good.
 

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oh I know what it is but nobody would likely fire at the USA if china was taken out china is a threat to other powers as well
You don't thing China has early warning systems and the ability to launch from remote locations? {perhaps do your homework before suggesting a course of action which would likely lead to the end of the world as we know it.
 

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You don't thing China has early warning systems and the ability to launch from remote locations? {perhaps do your homework before suggesting a course of action which would likely lead to the end of the world as we know it.
If you’re claiming they have these things why don’t you tell us all about them since you seem to have in-depth knowledge of China’s defense systems. missiles launched from US subs off the coast would impact Chinese cities and military sites within minutes the Chinese wouldn’t have the opportunity to even ready missiles let alone launch them.
 

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If you’re claiming they have these things why don’t you tell us all about them since you seem to have in-depth knowledge of China’s defense systems. missiles launched from US subs off the coast would impact Chinese cities and military sites within minutes the Chinese wouldn’t have the opportunity to even ready missiles let alone launch them.
I have no direct knowledge, however, apparently unlike you I do not assume that the Chinese are morons. I guess you think they put big signs on their nuclear launchers. "BOMB HERE>
 

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I have no direct knowledge, however, apparently unlike you I do not assume that the Chinese are morons. I guess you think they put big signs on their nuclear launchers. "BOMB HERE>
No you just assume that China has these top-secret defense systems that you claim they have but now you can’t back it up there’s a reason they use submarines they are extremely hard to detect and when Missiles R launched from just off your coast you have no time to react

No where have I claimed the Chinese are morons I’ll leave that up to you yeah
 

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No you just assume that China has these top-secret defense systems that you claim they have but now you can’t back it up there’s a reason they use submarines they are extremely hard to detect and when Missiles R launched from just off your coast you have no time to react

No where have I claimed the Chinese are morons I’ll leave that up to you yeah
I said I have no direct knowledge. And they would have to be morons if they do not have hardened remote sites. Please try and get real.
 
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This "discussion" has turned bizarre. The U.S. didn't use nukes in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Doubt they will try nukes against a superpower with a thousand nuke armed missiles.
 
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This "discussion" has turned bizarre. The U.S. didn't use nukes in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Doubt they will try nukes against a superpower with a thousand nuke armed missiles.
This is Terb. There are a large number of people here obsessed with war, and hoping for it to break out. Sick, really.
 

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Got to the part about America being on a wartime footing ever since Vietnam and decided to hit pause, maybe another time...
Margoilis' go to agenda. Bashing the US for their military while soft peddling on Russia and China despite the major issues in those palces.
 

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This is Terb. There are a large number of people here obsessed with war, and hoping for it to break out. Sick, really.
I said I have no direct knowledge. And they would have to be morons if they do not have hardened remote sites. Please try and get real.
So what Hardened remote sites,that the Americans would have satellite imagery and coordinates of. nukes from the submarines would wipe them out long before they could launch you do realize land base sites are sitting ducks these days that’s why the US stopped building silos in the 1980”s
 
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