Agreed. It was just a retort to a smart alec comment.
I think KR is going to get off fairly light. I'm pretty sure it will not satisfy a lot of people.
Kyle Rittenhouse trial
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I think KR is going to get off fairly light. I'm pretty sure it will not satisfy a lot of people.
Yes, I totally agree. That's why I didn't quote the article for the considered charges. I couldn't figure out what was agreed upon by the judge. Funny thing, blahblahblah actually was the perfect work around.
The judge is allowing the jury to consider blahblahblah charges. Lol.
Journalism is under pressure for getting the news out ASAP while keeping costs down. I don't think there are enough editors reviewing work product before it's released.
Depends what the "lesser and includeds" are. The curfew breach has already been tossed. The underage carry is a guaranteed conviction, but may not even be Criminal Code type, as opposed to some gun control regulation.
The issue with "reckless endangerment" is that KR only raised and pointed when he was attacked. So I'm not really seeing a conviction on that either, unless it's a tie-breaker in the jury room and there are 2 entrenched factions of the jury.
There's probably caselaw on whether a dude trying to grab your rifle automatically amounts to reasonable perception of serious bodily harm. (This shit does NOT happen in Canada and I am just guessing). I think the defence is probably relying on Rosenbaum's demeanour to establish both objective and subjective fear of bodily harm on the part of KR. But you can get into whether the reasonable perception was the Rosenbaum was just going to disarm KR and beat him with his fists, as opposed to use the weapon on him.
There might be caselaw in WI on whether you can use deadly force to protect your weapon. Again, this never arises in Canada, as only cops or the military would normally carry guns up here.
At the very least, the fact that a dude is trying to take your weapon would reduce murder to manslaughter as "provocation" on the part of Rosenbaum, IMO.
I think KR will probably walk on everything. At least a few of the jury are simply going to feel sorry for him.
Whether the shot was fired at KR or not doesn't matter. The fact is that it came from the man behind Rosenbaum as they were both chasing Rittenhouse. Who at this time was in fear for his life. Which is why he broke down on the stand when questioned by his attorney describing the encounter. When you look at the footage it appears to be a warning shot straight up into the air but KR didn't know that because he had his back turned and was running. The point is that it reinforces the fact that KR thought at that moment his life was in danger. Therefore self defense in reasonable.
I'm starting to think KR is clearly a punk ass idiot. Reckless endangerment for sure. But...once those other idiots came at him, he was likely ok on the shoot. But he foolishly interjected himself into a situation w an illegally obtained weapon, and deliberately crossed state lines to get involved in something that had nothing to do with him.
Both he and the victims have serious issues reflecting on their character prior to the incident. So that's a wash.
Anyhow, I'll leave it to the terb barristers to sort out the legal aspects, maybe I'm flat wrong.
Both he and the victims have serious issues reflecting on their character prior to the incident. So that's a wash.
Anyhow, I'll leave it to the terb barristers to sort out the legal aspects, maybe I'm flat wrong.
According to Oracle's link, Grosskreutz was a convicted felon. In that case, how would he have a permit?
I wouldn't say posting a news article that tells me that a joke is racially inappropriate or not funny was critical thought.
I would prefer old-fashion reporting where the joke is simply reported as questionable. Then I can make up my own mind.
Exchanging comments with you is like Chinese food. An hour later you're still bothered.
Nah. The shot was in the distance and not close and there were all sorts of people with all sorts of guns present, incl cops. I don't think the random shot figures into anything.
You're right. He's an idiot for umpteen different reasons - among them, leaving his buddies and wandering among hostiles. Now THAT is really dumb.
But you're left with the problem that idiots get to defend themselves too.
And it's also the US, which is just fine with vigilante groups sauntering around w rifles in public. Totally different mindset that any Canuck would have.
IIRC, there was no other chaser.
There were various randoms, many of whom were spectating. And at least one reporter - The Daily Caller guy - who was running behind and trying to write a news report about whatever he saw. But no other pursuers.
If the link is correct he shouldn’t have as a felon would be prohibited from having a gun
He did testify on the stand that he had a CCW permit but that it was expired
Good points. And it seems the loosening of various US laws means more and more likely idiots compensating for their dicks by walking around w assault weapons. If i feel threatened by them...can I draw down? If i draw down, will they draw down? And if they're drawing down, can I shoot first, after all, they're threatening to me...i mean, why are they walking around w AR 15s? Are they madmen? What is their motive?
And in Florida and other stand your ground states I can slap a bloke and if he comes back at me I can shoot him. Unfortunately the first time groups of black Americans walking around w AR 15s is the time we might see some changes in the laws. The handgun laws in 1968 were tightened only because of the black panthers insisted on their rights to carry.
Its going to get ugly. People who know about weapons from movies and TV will impose a horrible carnage upon americans, I fear.
I questioned the link at the time. OTOH it's the sort of thing that G might lie about.
Yuh. It's totally fucked. NONE of this shit should have happened. And it will now get worse.
You spin this to the Tucker Carlson viewpoint...everything you said can be disputed.
Tracking the Suspect in the Fatal Kenosha Shootings (Published 2020)
Footage appears to show a teenager shooting three people during protests in Wisconsin. We tracked his movements that night.
''While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.
Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head.''
It would have been better if the pursuer wrestled the gun from himTracking the Suspect in the Fatal Kenosha Shootings (Published 2020)
Footage appears to show a teenager shooting three people during protests in Wisconsin. We tracked his movements that night.www.nytimes.com
''While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.
Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head.''
Again, he shouldn't have been there, he should have stayed home...he was in over his head.
Anyone following news biased against Kyle Rittenhouse should pursue other news from more supportive media outlets. At this point in America, I'm not sure there are unbiased media outlets. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel seems to be doing a better job than most.
By now, I presume everyone here on TERB knows that all the victims were white. A lot of Americans are now just getting that information. The City of Kenosha needs to get that news down to their African-American population.
As far as whether KR possessed the firearm illegally, this seems to be in some doubt.
"Crossing state lines" is definitely some overplayed media drama designed to manipulate. KR lived less than 20 miles from Kenosha. His father and his father's family live in Kenosha. The kid has more ties to Kenosha than his town in Illinois which is just over the state border. In any event, it's disingenuous of media outlets to continue to harp on crossing the state border. Most Americans are disgusted by this reporting as we know crossing state borders is a minor event. Many people live in one state while working and shopping in another. Think of it like going from Ottawa into Gatineau.
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