I know, it's crazy. I think I saw one in my back yard last night.
A Meteorologist Said This Might Be Among The Worst Winters In Over Two Decades For Ontarians And We Could Even See Some Snow In October
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Global warming is getting so bad that Antarctica just recorded its coldest winter on record:
www.cnn.com
Antarctica's last 6 months were the coldest on record
In a year of extreme heat, Antarctica's last six months were the coldest on record.
www.cnn.com
Clearly phil mykraken mcnasty does not read the articles he posts.Global warming is getting so bad that Antarctica just recorded its coldest winter on record:
Antarctica's last 6 months were the coldest on record
In a year of extreme heat, Antarctica's last six months were the coldest on record.
From his article.
Weather versus climate
It is important to understand weather is different from climate. Weather is what happens over shorter periods of time (days to months), such as the seven-day forecast. Climate is what happens over much longer periods of time, such as several years, or even entire generations.
"One such example is a cold snap, which can happen due to sudden changes in atmospheric circulation and may not be linked to climate change," says Tom Slater, Research Fellow at the Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling at the University of Leeds. "Texas is a good example of this; even though parts of it experienced extreme cold weather earlier this year when air from the Arctic was pushed south, looking at the long-term change in temperature tells us that Texas is 1.5 degrees warmer on average now than it was 100 years ago. That's climate."
Scientists also agree that since the 1950s extreme cold snaps do occur, but climate change is bringing far more heat records than cold records.
"In other words, while the globe may be warmer than average as a whole, some areas will still observe colder temperatures and even severe cold outbreaks," says Zack Labe, Climate Scientist at Colorado State University. "This regional variation is due to the influences of the oceans, mountains, deserts, ice sheets, and other geographic features that all affect our weather and climate. It's also from changes in weather patterns that are related to the position of the jet stream (storm track), which can vary from day-to-day or even month-to-month."
So, this recent winter stretch from June-August is definitely interesting from a research standpoint, but it doesn't necessarily reflect what Antarctica is doing in the long term.
Antarctica just registered its hottest temperature ever
One great example of this is while June-August of this year may have been quite cold, February of the previous year recorded the new all-time record high for the Antarctic continent. On February 6, 2020, the Esperanza Research Station recorded a high temperature of 18.3°C degrees (64.9°F). This broke the previous record for the Antarctic region (continental, including mainland and surrounding islands) of 17.5°C (63.5°F) recorded in March 2015 at the same station.
"There were thousands upon thousands of these penguins just in distress because they were so overheated and there was no snow," Camille Seaman, a photographer who has traveled to Antarctica, told CNN in August. "They were looking for any little patch of snow or ice to lay on."
No. The way it works you use weather when it supports your case. When it weakens it, you dismiss it. You should be familiar with this technique...you use it all the time.
Nope, I don't.
I usually post charts of global temperature.
Unless its reports of extreme weather events, the rise of which are tied to climate change. And even when I do that I don't post 'oh, this polar vortex is very cold so that means is always cold', or 'the record heat in Lytton and fire mean that its always going to be this hot'. Its just 'here is another extreme weather event, we are seeing more and bigger of these events as predicted'.
phil posts about a polar vortex and ozone hole in Antarctica that made one winter very cold in the continent then claims its part of a trend. But the only trend its part of is more extreme weather and he ignores what the article says about rising temps in Antarctica in general and around the world. That's wrong
We won't bother mentioning that the vast majority of those were fringe ideas rejected by mainstream science and only picked up by the media because they love the attention.Re-read this occasionally, it will ;put current hysteria in perspective:
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute
Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...cei.org
One of the physics Nobel Award winners Klaus Hasselmann of
this year published this work in 1991:
Hasselmann, K. F. (1991). How well can we predict the climate crisis?. Conference on Environmental Scarcity: The International Dimension (pp. 165-183).
Skimming through abstracts of the 44 publications following up this work
in the last 3 decades I couldn't seem to find any fringe predictions
of impending climate catastrophe reported. If I have overlooked
reliable predictions that have gained acceptance by mainstream
climate science it is unlikely the type of finding Greta Thunberg
would bother to look up to support her thesis that is people are
suffering and people are dying.
I have no intention to dispute the works of climate scientists.
I do think climate change along with other environmental issues
like pollution of our ocean, resource depletion and overpopulation
must be addressed. But I think people have to do more than
listen to science. They should dig up primary sources in scientific
literature to confirm what they have been told by climate activists
are indeed what the scientists said in refereed publications. It is like
if you were a detective called in to investigate a murder the first thing
to do is to find out if a crime was indeed committed at the
reported crime site.
Did you read the claims in the article he posted? All of them are fringe claims picked up by media to sell papers.
Quoting your post in mine might have been misleading. My
point is I would have looked into sources of the fringe claims.
Alternatively I would investigate whether similar claims
were ever reported in reliable sources which in this case
is literature in climate science research.
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One of the great things about the scientific method is that papers contrary to mainstream thinking do get published and they let their evidence speak for itself. Much of the time the evidence is weak and uninspiring but occasionally leads to new thinking. These 'scientist predict' stories have been a media goldmine for decades because they sell and sadly the gullible have been led to believe that they were mainstream consensus.
Reminding them of reality doesn't seem to mean much. More than a decade ago, a study was released on climate papers from the 60's and 70's and even then, the vast majority of the papers predicted warming but those 'ice age' claims stick around because a paper reported on it.
Apparently they've done a 180 degree change as of today for the Ontario forecast, especially Southern Ontario. Now expecting a warmer than average winter with average snowfall.
Of course there could be another revision tomorrow...
Of course there could be another revision tomorrow...
Lets see if the global warming tree-huggers are right this time and we have a nice, warm winter
Jeez Frankfooter. Excuse me for posting about this winter's latest weather forecast in a thread entitled:
"A Meteorologist Said This Might Be Among The Worst Winters In Over Two Decades For Ontarians And We Could Even See Some Snow In October"
And you added injury to insult by "Rick Rolling" me as well!?!
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As the ad on Radio 680 says, when the temperature drops below 7 degrees...
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I hope we get lots of snow with 3-4 weeks of minus 10-15 F not C weather to kill off the ticks and other blood suck diseased insects we are too much of a p ssy to spray agent orange on.
Maybe the cold will freeze the maggot laying raccoons as well.
Maybe the cold will freeze the maggot laying raccoons as well.
