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I imagine many get into sexwork the same way, others for purely economic reasons as a business decision. others to have control of their lives.
 

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I imagine many get into sexwork the same way, others for purely economic reasons as a business decision. others to have control of their lives.
I think about this a lot when I participate in this world. When I was younger and naive I could’ve been involved in a few situations where girls were pimped, looking back. Now, for years, Ive limited my fun to established independent sp’s, and occasionally established agency girls. Anytime I am even remotely worried about trafficked women, I stay out, no matter how enticing the ad, services, photos, rates, reviews etc. If the price point is higher, not a big deal, it’s worth it.
 

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I remember when this circulated last year. It brought up a lot of conversation. The woman herself even got attacked for writing it, if I recall. Guys claiming she was in control of her situation and so and so forth. The thing is, many hobbyists are in active addiction, and addicts will lie to themselves so sadly, most aren't open to having real conversations about it. On the same token, in my experience, most active sex workers will just as much be on the defense and want to claim "most" sex workers are there willingly. Because, the reality is way too hard to face. Especially for those involved, even indirectly. It was only after I retired, and years later, that I finally see just how embedded it is in our society. It's still very much a small number, but it is very much there.

I told a friend once, of all the sex workers I have met, at least 1/3 had entered the biz through trafficking. That's pretty fucked up. Many stayed in it because it became all they knew. They couldn't relate to the outside World anymore, or function in a different environment. Spending 24/7 in hotels or on call as a Sex worker, isolated from people, hanging out on review boards or in circles of friends that are also sex workers, it does something to you after a while. But that's another story for another day!

It is definitely not all minors, and it is definitely not all low end. There are a range of types of trafficking, from international (colombia, russia and greater area, portugal, anywhere someone might be wanting to get out the Country and need help or money doing it, or where 'grooming' is easy to do ((modeling)) etc), all the way down the wire to exploitative relationships, girls or guys who know how to recognize someone in a bad state who is easy to convince, and then live off, runaways, girls in abusive homes or situations, low self-esteem, base Daddy issues, and so on. The former being the most common, and the stickiest because a lot of these victims honestly think they are doing what they have to, and see no way out.

There used to be a ton of material circulating on what to watch for when avoiding seeing someone who *may* be in one of these situations, but I haven't see any lately, or it has come from outside the biz and was laughable at best. A few things stay the same, watch for:

- constantly changing towns or moving around
- working unrealistic hours (available 24/7 ads)
- numbers that trace back to multiple (often questionably young) girls over time, but not an agency
- agencies that boast new off the boat weekly, from specific Countries
- ads where every picture is taken by a third party, again, not agency

Does all of this mean dudes shouldn't see sex workers? No. Go at it, have fun, just be aware of what is happening out there, and make smart choices.
 

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I remember when this circulated last year. It brought up a lot of conversation. The woman herself even got attacked for writing it, if I recall. Guys claiming she was in control of her situation and so and so forth. The thing is, many hobbyists are in active addiction, and addicts will lie to themselves so sadly, most aren't open to having real conversations about it. On the same token, in my experience, most active sex workers will just as much be on the defense and want to claim "most" sex workers are there willingly. Because, the reality is way too hard to face. Especially for those involved, even indirectly. It was only after I retired, and years later, that I finally see just how embedded it is in our society. It's still very much a small number, but it is very much there.

I told a friend once, of all the sex workers I have met, at least 1/3 had entered the biz through trafficking. That's pretty fucked up. Many stayed in it because it became all they knew. They couldn't relate to the outside World anymore, or function in a different environment. Spending 24/7 in hotels or on call as a Sex worker, isolated from people, hanging out on review boards or in circles of friends that are also sex workers, it does something to you after a while. But that's another story for another day!

It is definitely not all minors, and it is definitely not all low end. There are a range of types of trafficking, from international (colombia, russia and greater area, portugal, anywhere someone might be wanting to get out the Country and need help or money doing it, or where 'grooming' is easy to do ((modeling)) etc), all the way down the wire to exploitative relationships, girls or guys who know how to recognize someone in a bad state who is easy to convince, and then live off, runaways, girls in abusive homes or situations, low self-esteem, base Daddy issues, and so on. The former being the most common, and the stickiest because a lot of these victims honestly think they are doing what they have to, and see no way out.

There used to be a ton of material circulating on what to watch for when avoiding seeing someone who *may* be in one of these situations, but I haven't see any lately, or it has come from outside the biz and was laughable at best. A few things stay the same, watch for:

- constantly changing towns or moving around
- working unrealistic hours (available 24/7 ads)
- numbers that trace back to multiple (often questionably young) girls over time, but not an agency
- agencies that boast new off the boat weekly, from specific Countries
- ads where every picture is taken by a third party, again, not agency

Does all of this mean dudes shouldn't see sex workers? No. Go at it, have fun, just be aware of what is happening out there, and make smart choices.
I didn’t see the earlier thread on the topic, I imagine it was fairly active.
1/3 might be a realistic number, you’d know better than most.
I wouldn’t expect a response from those still working, it could be bad for business. Thanks for your perspective.
 
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I remember when this circulated last year. It brought up a lot of conversation. The woman herself even got attacked for writing it, if I recall. Guys claiming she was in control of her situation and so and so forth. The thing is, many hobbyists are in active addiction, and addicts will lie to themselves so sadly, most aren't open to having real conversations about it. On the same token, in my experience, most active sex workers will just as much be on the defense and want to claim "most" sex workers are there willingly. Because, the reality is way too hard to face. Especially for those involved, even indirectly. It was only after I retired, and years later, that I finally see just how embedded it is in our society. It's still very much a small number, but it is very much there.

I told a friend once, of all the sex workers I have met, at least 1/3 had entered the biz through trafficking. That's pretty fucked up. Many stayed in it because it became all they knew. They couldn't relate to the outside World anymore, or function in a different environment. Spending 24/7 in hotels or on call as a Sex worker, isolated from people, hanging out on review boards or in circles of friends that are also sex workers, it does something to you after a while. But that's another story for another day!

It is definitely not all minors, and it is definitely not all low end. There are a range of types of trafficking, from international (colombia, russia and greater area, portugal, anywhere someone might be wanting to get out the Country and need help or money doing it, or where 'grooming' is easy to do ((modeling)) etc), all the way down the wire to exploitative relationships, girls or guys who know how to recognize someone in a bad state who is easy to convince, and then live off, runaways, girls in abusive homes or situations, low self-esteem, base Daddy issues, and so on. The former being the most common, and the stickiest because a lot of these victims honestly think they are doing what they have to, and see no way out.

There used to be a ton of material circulating on what to watch for when avoiding seeing someone who *may* be in one of these situations, but I haven't see any lately, or it has come from outside the biz and was laughable at best. A few things stay the same, watch for:

- constantly changing towns or moving around
- working unrealistic hours (available 24/7 ads)
- numbers that trace back to multiple (often questionably young) girls over time, but not an agency
- agencies that boast new off the boat weekly, from specific Countries
- ads where every picture is taken by a third party, again, not agency

Does all of this mean dudes shouldn't see sex workers? No. Go at it, have fun, just be aware of what is happening out there, and make smart choices.

I would suggest 1/3 is low. Some girls have "boyfriends" and don't even realize they were trafficked. A smooth guy will lead you to a stream, and you think you made the decision to have drink all by yourself.
 
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Sadly, you are spot on. If I include those cases, the numbers no doubt would skyrocket much higher.

I would suggest 1/3 is low. Some girls have "boyfriends" and don't even realize they were trafficked. A smooth guy will lead you to a stream, and you think you made the decision to have drink all by yourself.
 
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Team Stephen Harper / Peter McKay actually aggravated the situation with their moral legislation against prostitution. They put the world's oldest profession solidly into traffickers realm. Allowing a mature women to make her own decisions affecting her own body should be legal. The girl in the story did not volunteer. Her case has nothing to do with legalized prostitution. The law actually makes it harder to help her. This story while sad, is a red herring.
 

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I take no responsibility...I have never felt that any escort I've visited was being trafficked/pimped out...they all seemed to be doing it on their own, making their own decisions for their own justifications...I think the escort and myself all rewarded each other in our own ways...
 

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I take no responsibility...I have never felt that any escort I've visited was being trafficked/pimped out...they all seemed to be doing it on their own, making their own decisions for their own justifications...I think the escort and myself all rewarded each other in our own ways...
A girl i saw in Toronto owned 2 condos and was about to retire. She had much more wealth then me. She was 22. I felt used. She should have paid me. 🤔
 

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I take no responsibility...I have never felt that any escort I've visited was being trafficked/pimped out...they all seemed to be doing it on their own, making their own decisions for their own justifications...I think the escort and myself all rewarded each other in our own ways...
You felt? Wtf does what you feel have to do with anyone's else's reality?
Team Stephen Harper / Peter McKay actually aggravated the situation with their moral legislation against prostitution. They put the world's oldest profession solidly into traffickers realm. Allowing a mature women to make her own decisions affecting her own body should be legal. The girl in the story did not volunteer. Her case has nothing to do with legalized prostitution. The law actually makes it harder to help her. This story while sad, is a red herring.

I see it different. Yes legalizing it for women who want to go down that road willingly is great. However... becausenit legal, does that not take laws eyes away from the industry? Does that not make it easier for guys to traffic women? Remember... a good trafficker makes the girls believe this was their decision, and often puts them in positions where they feel they, or loved ones will be harmed if they don't go along. And lets be honest... once the toothpaste is out of the tube... there's no putting it back in. That's now a reality on her life.

Once you legalize it, the industry will be flooded with strippers and sex workers who "nudged" into it by boyfriends and straight up pimps who take their money.
 

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Knowing you like I do, you generally see more mature women with a reputation, you probably aren't wrong in your instincts, but you are probably more exception than norm.

I take no responsibility...I have never felt that any escort I've visited was being trafficked/pimped out...they all seemed to be doing it on their own, making their own decisions for their own justifications...I think the escort and myself all rewarded each other in our own ways...
 
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Either she was crazy ambitious and smart, or she had an entire life you are not aware of.

A girl i saw in Toronto owned 2 condos and was about to retire. She had much more wealth then me. She was 22. I felt used. She should have paid me. 🤔
 

Jasmina

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Ugh, Harper is such a long lasting stain on our society. I agree with you, these stories are often used as leverage for the anti-traffickers, who in all liklihood don't actually give a fuck about anyone, or want to help anyone out of bad situations. If they did, they would understand not everyone needs "rescue".

That said, I see where others go to the opposite extreme of denying there are those who do need, and want, rescue. There is definitely a middle ground here, somewhere.

Team Stephen Harper / Peter McKay actually aggravated the situation with their moral legislation against prostitution. They put the world's oldest profession solidly into traffickers realm. Allowing a mature women to make her own decisions affecting her own body should be legal. The girl in the story did not volunteer. Her case has nothing to do with legalized prostitution. The law actually makes it harder to help her. This story while sad, is a red herring.
 
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I take no responsibility...I have never felt that any escort I've visited was being trafficked/pimped out...they all seemed to be doing it on their own, making their own decisions for their own justifications...I think the escort and myself all rewarded each other in our own ways...
Do you know how they got into the industry or what age they were?
 
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Do you know how they got into the industry or what age they were?
I've chatted with some about it but I don't believe I'm required too...I have no reason to believe that any escort I've seen is being pimped out.
 
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I've chatted with some about it but I don't believe I'm required too...I have no reason to believe that any escort I've seen is being pimped out.
The woman wasn’t being pimped out when the story was written but she still worked on occasion.
It’s how she got into the business that is concerning.
 
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