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Where is Brian Laundrie?

mandrill

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Crimes covered in the treaty are defined and extradition on crimes associated to your personal beliefs is tricky. These draft dodgers did not get charged for any criminal acts recognized by the treaty. They might even suggest their lives are in danger do to an arbitrary federal run draft lottery. I don't know details but I can see it would be complicated.

FYI: The details of the treaty are here - https://www.treaty-accord.gc.ca/text-texte.aspx?id=101323
International law states that another country's "political" laws and tax laws are non-extradictable. So draft dodging is a non extradictable offence.
 

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I don't think that would float. He didn't think he would get a fair trial ? - for what ? - she has run off with a new boyfriend and he doesn't know she is dead. He stuck around after returning in her van for three weeks when for all he knows - she is alive. People - your parents - the public think you killed her and you don't go to the police and talk about the last guy she was with ? If I was his lawyer - I'd go with accidental death /panic to explain his behavior. The mysterious stranger appearing in an isolated Wyoming state park - committing murder, then disappearing without a trace (including DNA) is to easy to prove impossible and your defendant now is a killer robbed of any chance to provide his version of circumstances leading to her death.
"I got panicky because I thought no one would believe me" doesn't play that badly. That said, he would certainly be shit-beaten up in cross-examination, espec since he ran her bank cards. If she disappeared with another guy, why did she leave her wallet w the guy she just ditched. At the very least, she would have cancelled her bank cards. And there would be phone records. She would be unlikely to suddenly leave with an unknown serial killer new guy. And if she knew the new guy, there would be cell phone records of texts and calls between them. No records, no new dude. Probably the cell phone records are to her bestie saying that Laundrie was getting to be more and more of an asshole towards her. And that is going to kill him. Literally.

And yes, everything is a tactical choice and he has no good options.
 

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Either way he wont get the death penalty. They rarely do that in the US for crimes of passion.
Just look at OJ, he killed 2 people in a fit of rage and DA would only seek life in prison, but not DP

That's because non premeditated murder is Murder Two and that doesn't attract the death penalty. DA has to prove malice aforethought beyond a reasonable doubt to get Murder One.
 

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I'm Laundrie's extradition lawyer and I'm arguing the under charge is a ruse by the DA's office to get the deportation order without the "no death penalty" undertaking. The rest of your post I have no problem with.
It would be interesting but a 'ruse' is based on speculation and I believe the judge must rule on facts, not theories. Brian Laundrie has not been charged with murder because the case our Canadian college is referring is an open investigation without the evidence to charge anyone with homicide. We are hoping that after his return, Brian may help us resolve the case but at this time he is only a person of interest.

Again - this is just the musings from the peanut gallery.
 

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That's because non premeditated murder is Murder Two and that doesn't attract the death penalty. DA has to prove malice aforethought beyond a reasonable doubt to get Murder One.
He was dressed in black, brought a knife, drove behind her residence and quietly snuck in from the back of her residence. It would be hard to argue it was a social visit.

He was 'The Juice' and there could be more reluctance of the jury to effectively push the button that kills him. I think they were playing the guilty odds. What followed was the most poorly run prosecution of a slam dunk case in history. Hamilton Burger (if he was real) would be turning in his grave.
 

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He was dressed in black, brought a knife, drove behind her residence and quietly snuck in from the back of her residence. It would be hard to argue it was a social visit.

He was 'The Juice' and there could be more reluctance of the jury to effectively push the button that kills him. I think they were playing the guilty odds. What followed was the most poorly run prosecution of a slam dunk case in history. Hamilton Burger (if he was real) would be turning in his grave.
They could have charged Murder One and got an acquittal on that charge, but also a conviction on Murder Two, as an included offence at the same trial.

I always thought that OJ got off largely because the cops who beat Rodney King got off a couple of years before. Tit for tat. And OJ was a black celebrity who killed a "spoiled white bitch" who shouldn't have been with a Brother anyway. That was very much the vibe at the time.
 

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They could have charged Murder One and got an acquittal on that charge, but also a conviction on Murder Two, as an included offence at the same trial.

I always thought that OJ got off largely because the cops who beat Rodney King got off a couple of years before. Tit for tat. And OJ was a black celebrity who killed a "spoiled white bitch" who shouldn't have been with a Brother anyway. That was very much the vibe at the time.
There was a book 'Outrage' by the prosecutor that convicted Manson. The amount of mistakes by the prosecutors was sick. Even the section of the trial location put it into a location where the jury pool would be biased. A white juror complained that during the trial other jurors were planning a victory party with OJ. She was bumped off without an investigation when a jury member complained about note taking. The prosecution failed to secure OJ's residence so that before the jury visit, Johnny Cochran replaced white art, girlfriend pictures with black 'Africanized' versions before the visit. The amount of proof of OJ's guilt was huge. (BTW: 6 jurors polled said OJ wasn't guilty because a football player that good wouldn't kill anybody.)
 

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That's because non premeditated murder is Murder Two and that doesn't attract the death penalty. DA has to prove malice aforethought beyond a reasonable doubt to get Murder One.
He used her ATM card afterwards, right?...
 

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He used her ATM card afterwards, right?...
Yup. That's why there's an arrest warrant out for him w no proof of murder. He's wanted for fraud.
 

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There was a book 'Outrage' by the prosecutor that convicted Manson. The amount of mistakes by the prosecutors was sick. Even the section of the trial location put it into a location where the jury pool would be biased. A white juror complained that during the trial other jurors were planning a victory party with OJ. She was bumped off without an investigation when a jury member complained about note taking. The prosecution failed to secure OJ's residence so that before the jury visit, Johnny Cochran replaced white art, girlfriend pictures with black 'Africanized' versions before the visit. The amount of proof of OJ's guilt was huge. (BTW: 6 jurors polled said OJ wasn't guilty because a football player that good wouldn't kill anybody.)
Always tough to convict a popular celeb. I remember an old true crime TV show where a local Big Wheel in Dallas killed his wife in front of witnesses in a parking lot in the 1950's. Jury still refused to convict. They just ignored the evidence.

I always kinda assumed that this was the old Southern class system coming into play. A blue collar "respectful" Southern jury just couldn't bring themselves to convict a rich establishment guy. Things have probably changed now.
 

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Robert Blake walked.
On April 22, 2002, Blake was charged with one count of murder with special circumstances, an offense which carried a possible death penalty. He was also charged with two counts of solicitation of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. Blake entered a plea of not guilty.
 
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"No buzzards, no body": An experienced rancher and outdoorsman who lives outside the alligator-infested nature preserve where authorities are searching for Brian Laundrie doesn’t think the fugitive is in there – alive or dead.

Florida cattle rancher Alan McEwen has spent nearly every day of the last 30 years navigating the woods where Brian Laundrie is suspected of hiding and says it's not conducive to habitation.

"There’s no surviving out here, I don’t know how to say it," McEwen told Fox News Digital.

Laundrie’s survival skills have been at the center of conversation since the 23-year-old’s parents first reported him missing Friday, Sept. 17, just two days after he was declared a person of interest in the disappearance of his fiancée, Gabby Petito. The couple were traveling across the country in the weeks leading up to Petito's death.

After Laundrie’s parents pointed authorities toward the Carlton Reserve, a nature preserve Brian was known to frequent, many began to speculate about whether the avid hiker would be equipped to live in the depths of the 25,000-acre woods for weeks on end.

McEwen, who has been assisting North Port Police Department in searching the preserve for signs of Laundrie, remains doubtful the Youtuber has what it takes to make it more than a couple of days in the swamp-like reserve.

"I’ve been in the woods in and out all my life … I have learned a lot in my life, and one thing I know is no one is gonna survive out there for two weeks on foot," McEwen said.

Since Laundrie reportedly entered the reserve nearly two weeks ago, torrential rainfall has flooded the area with waist-deep water, rendering the lot where Laundrie is said to have left his car unrecognizable.

"Unless he’s got a butt like a duck and can float, he’s not in there," McEwen said as he gave Fox News Digital a tour of the submerged park in his swamp buggy.

Even if Laundrie could manage to last in the wet conditions, he’d still have to face the diverse species of wildlife that have made the preserve a fascination to ecologists nationwide.

The Carlton Reserve is home to 13-foot alligators, panthers, black bears, wild boar and lethal snakes. McEwen says that even if Laundrie could manage to fend off the park’s most terrifying predators, its insects alone could be enough to do him in. "Unless he’s got a hide like a gator, the mosquitoes will carry him right off," McEwen told Fox News Digital.

The inhospitable conditions of the park are endless, according to McEwen.

The seasoned rancher, who has had to venture deep into the Carlton’s woods to retrieve wandering cows, says the grounds of the reserve are covered in a thick brush that masks the topography of the land, making it easy for even the most experienced outdoorsman to unwittingly step into a ditch or walk off a ledge and become seriously injured.

Asked about the possibility Laundrie may have died trying to hide in the reserve, McEwen was certain Laundrie’s body would have been found by now.

"Anything dead you find in the woods, you're gonna look up, you’re gonna see buzzards flying like crazy," he said. "No buzzards, no body is my theory. And I haven’t seen any buzzards flying."

To add to the unlikelihood that Brian is still in the park, McEwen showed Fox News Digital how easy it would be for someone to enter the preserve and take off in any direction, highlighting different passageways that lead to either a long-stretching highway, vast everglades or acres of ranch land.

"He could be anywhere," McEwen surmised.
 

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Im betting he is in an unoccupied vacation home right now he discovered during van life explorations. He went grocery shopping before, paid cash, and is riding it out until the heat is off. A beard and hair grow out, and he quietly disappears into a homeless city population, or if he can secure a vehicle, on back roads to various off season places he can break into. He is also used to living in a van and urban stealth camping.

It won't last. The world is too wired. But its his only option .
 
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I'm assuming size, weight and strength differences between a man and a woman. It would be very difficult for a guy to claim he killed a girl in self defence. He could run self-defence for shoving her down, slapping her face hard, punching her in the gut. But strangling her?!!! Or stabbing her?!!!.... Uh-uh. I wouldn't buy it.
And that is why you are not on TV every Tuesday night at 8 O'clock!
 

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He will end up in Mexico. He will likely avoid capture for about 3 or 4 years, then a reporter or bounty hunter will track him down. That is my guess.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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If he is on the run I can almost guarantee you he's not in Florida anymore.
Appalachian mountains is my bet
 
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