Ontario Vaccine Passport

[maurice93]

The Logic in this thread is very poor.

Yes it appears that an infected vaccinated can spread it as easily / close to easily as a non vaccinated. Let’s call this likely fact A. Many of you are using that fact more than you should.

Here is Fact B. in Ontario, and in other places to similar degrees, a vaccinated person is about 8-10’times less likely to catch it in the first place based on COVID statistics.

Yes if I am vaccinated and I am sitting besides someone who is infected I can catch it equally.

But if that person is vaccinated they are 9 times less likely to have it in the first place. So that reduces my risk significantly.

As an aside I am fine with using the passport for mild luxuries or luxuries — theatre. Sporting events, restaurants. tugs , vacations. and even haircuts.

But vaccine mandates or passports for most jobs is a measure I would avoid. It could cause more problems than it solves.

Cutting ones luxuries is different than cutting their livelihood.

 

[mandrill]

This is not entirely true. There is such a thing as natural immunity. Something I learned quite a bit about in Virology class at UofT. However, it's something for some reason being ignored by the so-called experts. Technically those unvaccinated people who've got covid-19 and recovered have developed natural antibodies. You can actually get a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test at a private lab like DynaCare and your results will show you have antibodies not due to vaccine. So first of all these vaccine apps should also recognize those with such proof as amongst the "vaccinated". However, the only distinctions they make is vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and unvaccinated, and that is wrong. Second of all you make two incorrect assumptions:
1) that the 1/4 unvaccinated do not carry antibodies against the virus, there are many in this group who have recovered from covid-19 and have immunity
2) that the 3/4 vaccinated carry antibodies against the virus. A lot of people who were vaccinated around January 2021 may no longer have antibodies to protect themselves and technically should be labelled as "unvaccinated", hence why they want to have them get a third shot
The vaccination stats shared daily are not completely accurate so what you say about 3/4 of the eligible population being vaccinated is not exactly true.

I think the authorities are aware of natural immunity, but it's too hard to enforce. Dicks will falsely claim to have had COVID and then infect others and laugh about the whole thing.

I would support measures wherein anyone who can produce medical proof of infection - i.e. a positive COVID test wi the last 6 months - did not have to get vaxxed. OTOH, natural immunity, plus 1 vaxx shot is even better.

If you look at the Z Dogg videos I post, he talks about natural immunity a lot.

 

[TorontoPlayer88]

What are the MP owners opinions of the vaccine passports?

 

[tvi]

The Logic in this thread is very poor.

Yes it appears that an infected vaccinated can spread it as easily / close to easily as a non vaccinated. Let’s call this likely fact A. Many of you are using that fact more than you should.

Here is Fact B. in Ontario, and in other places to similar degrees, a vaccinated person is about 8-10’times less likely to catch it in the first place based on COVID statistics.

Yes if I am vaccinated and I am sitting besides someone who is infected I can catch it equally.

But if that person is vaccinated they are 9 times less likely to have it in the first place. So that reduces my risk significantly.

As an aside I am fine with using the passport for mild luxuries or luxuries — theatre. Sporting events, restaurants. tugs , vacations. and even haircuts.

But vaccine mandates or passports for most jobs is a measure I would avoid. It could cause more problems than it solves.

Cutting ones luxuries is different than cutting their livelihood.

Mostly pretty accurate...
But it's not that you are less likely to catch it when vaccinated but what the vaccine does is it prevents the virus from replicating in your body. So similar but not identical to your Fact B. The virus is out there no doubt, the vaccine and the antibodies that result, fight it off, hopefully before you become ill.

 

[six_pac]

Children are going to the ICU or hospital and are experiencing long covid symptoms. They just aren't getting hit as hard as the elderly population. But Covid can harm you even if it doesn't kill you.

"Very large chance of having serious cardiac issues". Are you talking about some instances of myocarditis after the second shot? Are you aware covid itself has a lot more side effects for every single subset of population (including young children) vs the vaccine?

In fact, go ahead and tell us your medical/scientific background. You clearly have a strong opinion that goes against what established professionals think. So naturally, you must have some serious credentials In the science and/or medical field.

I know for a fact, that pfizer vacine ( personal experience) is dangerous to young healthy adults and children. And there are numerous hoapitalizations due to it, and bo i do not trust the media, because i know better, so take the vacines at your own risk, i did and it didnt turn out well for me...

And to reply as for my mediacal experience and qualifications, it is much, much larger than most of the pro vaxers, that are drumming up this poison..

It is beyond me that russians and chinese have made a safer and more efficient vaccine than the west....

 

[Aioria]

I think the authorities are aware of natural immunity, but it's too hard to enforce. Dicks will falsely claim to have had COVID and then infect others and laugh about the whole thing.

I would support measures wherein anyone who can produce medical proof of infection - i.e. a positive COVID test wi the last 6 months - did not have to get vaxxed. OTOH, natural immunity, plus 1 vaxx shot is even better.

It's not hard to enforce. They could ask results of a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test let's say at every 3 months. I know people who've done it and their test results show antibody not through vaccination. The test cost about $80 and can be done at any private lab such as DynaCare. I don't expect the government picking up the tab and those individuals who have natural antibodies and who do not want to get the vaccine can prove it by paying $80.

 

[six_pac]

What v

Mostly pretty accurate...
But it's not that you are less likely to catch it when vaccinated but what the vaccine does is it prevents the virus from replicating in your body. So similar but not identical to your Fact B. The virus is out there no doubt, the vaccine and the antibodies that result, fight it off, hopefully before you become ill.

What Vaccine does is lets your body recognize the viral pressence sooner and it starts fighting it....

This said, it is beyond me why we need boosters of the same type of vaccine, when the information should be already stored from the first dose, now the third, dose, fourth dose of the same vaccine is complete nonsense... Now booster shots of the same vaccine on a yearly basis in order to protect ua from the variants of the virus, are even more ridiculous.....

 

[Aioria]

The Logic in this thread is very poor.

Yes it appears that an infected vaccinated can spread it as easily / close to easily as a non vaccinated. Let’s call this likely fact A. Many of you are using that fact more than you should.

Here is Fact B. in Ontario, and in other places to similar degrees, a vaccinated person is about 8-10’times less likely to catch it in the first place based on COVID statistics.

Yes if I am vaccinated and I am sitting besides someone who is infected I can catch it equally.

But if that person is vaccinated they are 9 times less likely to have it in the first place. So that reduces my risk significantly.

As an aside I am fine with using the passport for mild luxuries or luxuries — theatre. Sporting events, restaurants. tugs , vacations. and even haircuts.

But vaccine mandates or passports for most jobs is a measure I would avoid. It could cause more problems than it solves.

Cutting ones luxuries is different than cutting their livelihood.

I agree with pretty much everything you say, however my whole point is the same applies to an unvaccinated person who's recovered from covid and now has natural antibodies.

 

[Aioria]

What v

What Vaccine does is lets your body recognize the viral pressence sooner and it starts fighting it....

This said, it is beyond me why we need boosters of the same type of vaccine, when the information should be already stored from the first dose, now the third, dose, fourth dose of the same vaccine is complete nonsense... Now booster shots of the same vaccine on a yearly basis in order to protect ua from the variants of the virus, are even more ridiculous.....

They need boosters because the antibodies from the vaccines are not long-lasting. They say they last about 6 months. I've also heard 3, 4, 8, and 12, but I digress. What needs to happen is for new vaccines to be developed and used as boosters to protect against new variants and not for people to receive the same original vaccine as booster, but if they don't have any new vaccines, then it's the next best thing. However I find that strange as they produced with the vaccines very quickly so tweaking them for new booster shots shouldn't be too difficult as they have an idea how new variants are different from the original novel coronavirus.

 

[Laserjay2]

Does anyone know what happens if you are international traveler who has been vaccinated? I have a friend from the states that is coming up in October and he wanted to check out a spa.

 

[Aioria]

I think the authorities are aware of natural immunity, but it's too hard to enforce. Dicks will falsely claim to have had COVID and then infect others and laugh about the whole thing.

I would support measures wherein anyone who can produce medical proof of infection - i.e. a positive COVID test wi the last 6 months - did not have to get vaxxed. OTOH, natural immunity, plus 1 vaxx shot is even better.

If you look at the Z Dogg videos I post, he talks about natural immunity a lot.

Does a previous COVID-19 infection allow you to attend these settings?

No, a previous infection is not a substitute for being fully vaccinated.

Source:

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

 

[Aioria]

Does anyone know what happens if you are international traveler who has been vaccinated? I have a friend from the states that is coming up in October and he wanted to check out a spa.

How do I prove I am fully vaccinated if I am from out of province or out of country?

Individuals visiting from outside the province or the country will be required to show their full vaccination status and identification to enter prescribed settings.

Ontario will develop and provide additional tools to improve user experience, efficiency, and business supports in the coming weeks, including ensuring verification of fully vaccinated individuals from outside of province or country.

Source:

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

 

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[Laserjay2]

How do I prove I am fully vaccinated if I am from out of province or out of country?

Individuals visiting from outside the province or the country will be required to show their full vaccination status and identification to enter prescribed settings.

Ontario will develop and provide additional tools to improve user experience, efficiency, and business supports in the coming weeks, including ensuring verification of fully vaccinated individuals from outside of province or country.

Source:

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

Well when you put it that way I feel dumb for asking lol. Thanks,

 

[aerius]

The Logic in this thread is very poor.

Yes it appears that an infected vaccinated can spread it as easily / close to easily as a non vaccinated. Let’s call this likely fact A. Many of you are using that fact more than you should.

Here is Fact B. in Ontario, and in other places to similar degrees, a vaccinated person is about 8-10’times less likely to catch it in the first place based on COVID statistics.

Yes if I am vaccinated and I am sitting besides someone who is infected I can catch it equally.

But if that person is vaccinated they are 9 times less likely to have it in the first place. So that reduces my risk significantly.

As an aside I am fine with using the passport for mild luxuries or luxuries — theatre. Sporting events, restaurants. tugs , vacations. and even haircuts.

But vaccine mandates or passports for most jobs is a measure I would avoid. It could cause more problems than it solves.

Cutting ones luxuries is different than cutting their livelihood.

So far. North America lags a bit behind other places since it took longer for the virus to get here and our initial vaccination response was also behind. Our data quality also sucks but that's an issue for another time.

What's interesting is the data that's coming out of the UK. Refer to the table on page 14 of their latest weekly report.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf

The infection rates for the 40-79 age group have gone the wrong for the vaccinated.
Thankfully, hospitalization and death rates are still significantly lower for those who've been vaccinated, and hopefully it stays that way.

 

[NotADcotor]

The infection rates for the 40-79 age group have gone the wrong for the vaccinated.

The AZ vaccine is pretty shit though.
Here in Ontario with the mRNA the numbers are very different.

 

[six_pac]

They need boosters because the antibodies from the vaccines are not long-lasting. They say they last about 6 months. I've also heard 3, 4, 8, and 12, but I digress. What needs to happen is for new vaccines to be developed and used as boosters to protect against new variants and not for people to receive the same original vaccine as booster, but if they don't have any new vaccines, then it's the next best thing. However I find that strange as they produced with the vaccines very quickly so tweaking them for new booster shots shouldn't be too difficult as they have an idea how new variants are different from the original novel coronavirus.

If you read this

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

Learn how mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response against COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

It explaims how mrna vaccine works, and this makes sense, what does not make senae is being re-vaccinated, one should be tonns.... Usimg an excuse as variants, and than re-vaccinating with exactly the same vaccine( not talkimg about future flu/ covid combos that re being developed) but todays same exact vaccine, makes zero sense....

 

[SuddenAwakening]

Will be interesting to see how this will be rolled out...

 

[glamphotographer]

The AZ vaccine is pretty shit though.
Here in Ontario with the mRNA the numbers are very different.

How mRNA vaccines work.