Israeli snipers attack Gaza children

[basketcase]

The Israeli government has elected members who are members of a party Canada identifies as terrorists.
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Bullshit. They aren't members of Kach. Kach is actually banned in Israel since Israel bans terrorist groups no matter the religion. These guys were inspired by Kahane though.

Most embarrassing of your post though is the assholes were running as part of a joint party that earned 1 seat and aren't part of the governing coalition. Meanwhile you have no problem with Hamas being one of the Palestinian governments despite being on that list.

Franky, the master of double standards.

 

[basketcase]

I call for Hamas and Israel to be investigated for all allegations of terrorism because I do not support terrorists or terrorism.
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No, you constantly condemn Israel based on evidence as weak as tweets but refuse to condemn Hamas. Why is it you need to wait for the ICC to condemn Hamas but have no problem lapping up whatever propaganda you find to demonize Israel?

 

[basketcase]

I condemn Hamas for acts of terrorism.
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When? All I've seen in this thread is you arguing Hamas rockets are legitimate self defence and their attack son random Jews in the West Bank are justified.

 

[basketcase]

but you wont condemn the group which is a terrorist group and you don't consider the attacks hamas makes to be terrorism (FYI every attack hamas makes is terrorism)
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On rare cases they target military. There was an anti-tank missile that hit a jeep a while back and that's warfare (of course he calls it terrorism when Israel strikes Hamas).

 

[Frankfooter]

So that means you are incapable of refuting their report on PFLP members running that organization?

You stand by NGOMonitor as a legit source and continue to say that the charity, Defence for Children International, is a terrorist organization?
That's your metric for terrorism?
That makes you worse than contact or cantaro.

How do your lies about Israel releate to your refusal to hold Hamas accountable for their actions?

Do you have to only rely on straw man arguments where you lie about what I say, is that an admission that you do think Israel is apartheid and you really do support shooting children?
So much so that you have to call a charity that reported accounts of that shooting 'terrorists' as well?
Is your racial supremacy even more than phil, jcpro and contact's?

Yes, people like you don't like it when their antisemitic claims get criticized and try to pretend they aren't antisemitic. You have repeatedly claimed that a Canadian Jew shouldn't talk about rights of our Indigenous people because you don't like what a completely different group of Jews in another country are doing. It is no different than demanding Canadian Muslims include a condemnation of ISIS in any statements.

'People like you'
Is that some kind of racial trope, basketcase?
Here's an example of a really well done land acknowledgement statement by IJVCanada, where they state they stand against colonialism's actions against Canada's Indigenous community and Israel's colonial acts against Palestinians. Your anti-semitic trope against this rabbi, where you assume that all Jews feel the way you do, is nonsense.

Let’s Mend the World: Let’s Cancel Canada Day - Indigenous People’s Day 2021

June 21st marks National Indigenous People’s Day in Canada. It is a day to celebrate the cultures and contributions of First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples across these lands. However, we know that this date is also being marked with renewed resistance and pain this year, following the horrific

www.ijvcanada.org

Utter bullshit. Show me one place I referred to you or anyone as savages. Sadly you still feel the need to defend Hamas, PIJ, or PFLP from being called terrorists and because you know they are terrorists, your only tactic is to pretend it is racist to say so.

You don't use the word directly, instead you refuse to use the word 'Palestinian' where you can use 'Hamas' or 'terrorist'. Its the same colonial language as calling our Indigenous community 'savages', and as long as you refuse to name them as 'Palestinians' I'm going to call you out as labelling them in colonial, 'savage' language.

Now you're saying militant settlers aren't terrorists?

I agree with you and B'tselem, that militant settlers are terrorists. The difference is that you defend to those terrorists repeatedly, while I call them and Palestinians who commit terrorism to be investigated and charged.

Sorry but your excuses are weak. Even though there are specific settlers who are terrorists, there is no justification to target random Jews. If you really feel that a small group of terrorists makes the entire population terrorists ...

I agree, targeting 'random' settlers is a crime as is targeting civilians.
But how about 'armed' settlers, are they there as militants or as 'random' settlers who just happen to be committing war crimes on behalf of Israel.
How do you tell the difference between 'random' settlers and the 'terrorist' settlers, basketcase?
Do they have different hats?
You keep saying that if you think someone is a terrorist you can shoot them, even if they are a 13 year old just protesting.
Does that apply to Palestinians in the West Bank if they think an armed settler is a terrorist, or is that one of your racist rules that only applies to 'settlers'.
Questions like that are why I support brining in the ICC and charging both sides, so both sides stop attacking civilians.

More of your idiotic accusations to try and distract from your immorality. Peace involves both sides agreeing to it. You recently condemned Israel because you say they aren't willing to negotiate while making excuses for Hamas who has never been willing to be involved in peace talks.

Israel is the occupying force. Only they can end the military occupation. And they are refusing to even talk about it and instead stating that they will use their military force to steal more Palestinian land.
How is that the fault of Palestinians?
Why do you keep defending these war crimes?

Canada never listed Mandela as a racist and you can keep on dreaming of a day where Canada removes Hamas and adds Israel to the terror list.

'terrorist'
I love how you tried to replace 'terrorist' with 'racist' as if nobody would notice.
Mandela and Ghandi were labelled as terrorist by their colonial rulers, the same way you use the word 'terrorist'.

Everyone is calling for a negotiated peace. unless you want Israel to try and impose peace, it requires the Palestinians to agree. Hamas refuses to talk, the PA keep finding excuses, and 70% of Palestinians oppose returning to negotiations.

Not the Israeli government, they said they will not talk peace, establish a Palestinian state, end apartheid or stop stealing more Palestinian land by military force.
They are the occupying military power, if they say no there is nothing Palestinians can do.

 

[Frankfooter]

No, you constantly condemn Israel based on evidence as weak as tweets but refuse to condemn Hamas. Why is it you need to wait for the ICC to condemn Hamas but have no problem lapping up whatever propaganda you find to demonize Israel?

I condemn Israel for actions reported by legit human rights organizations.
Actions like apartheid rule.

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid

More than 14 million people, roughly half of them Jews and the other half Palestinians, live between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea under a single rule. The common perception in public, political, legal and media discourse is that two separate regimes operate side by side in this...

www.btselem.org

https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/AHRC43NGO185.pdf

 

[Frankfooter]

On rare cases they target military. There was an anti-tank missile that hit a jeep a while back and that's warfare (of course he calls it terrorism when Israel strikes Hamas).

When Israel hit 14 residential buildings, all of which were housing media outlets, you declared they were 'Hamas' to justify terrorism.
As if labelling every person Israel kills as 'Hamas', 'terrorist' or 'savage' gives you a license to murder.
All you are doing is using colonial language to support your own racial supremacist terrorism.

Gaza: Apparent War Crimes During May Fighting

Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups carried out attacks during the May 2021 fighting in the Gaza Strip and Israel that violated the laws of war and apparently amount to war crimes.

www.hrw.org

 

[basketcase]

You stand by NGOMonitor as a legit source...

If you're incapable of proving them wrong then yes. But of cours eyou think obsessively biassed sources are okay when they tweet things you like.

Do you have to only rely on straw man arguments where you lie about what I say,

Again you show you have absolutely no idea what a strawman argument is. You keep making excuses for Hamas and keep arguing that their terror rockets are legitimate self defense and attacks on Jews in the West bank are legitimate because some other Jews are terrorists.

'People like you'
Is that some kind of racial trope, basketcase?

Wow that's a dumb comment to try and defend your use of antisemitic tropes. Why do you think it's wrong for Canadian Jews to comment on Canada's Indigenous community unless they also demonize Israel? Do you demand Canadian Muslims include condemnations of ISIS in any statements they make? Do you condemn East African Canadians if they forget to condemn the actions in Tigray? Do you demand Chinese Canadians always include condemnation of China's actions against Uigyars and Tibetans? of course not. You would rightly condemn the people conflating canadians with other countries as racists but of course you have no problem doing it with Jews.

You don't use the word directly,

Right. Thanks for admitting your pathetic lies that are a transparent attempt to avoid responsibility for your lack of morality. I call Hamas terrorists because they are. I call PIJ terrorists because they are. I call PFLP terrorist because they are, at least according to Canada. I also have no problem calling Kach terrorists because they are.

Where you pathetic double standard shows is you have no problem accusing Israel, the IDF, and any Israeli authorities as terrorists. Why is it demonization to refer to Hamas as terrorists but okay to call Israel terrorists?

I agree with you and B'tselem, that militant settlers are terrorists. The difference is that you defend to those terrorists repeatedly,...

Another dumb lie by you. Only you would claim me calling the terrorists is defending them. The actual difference is I condemn terrorist son both sides while you obsessively demonize Israel while making excuses for hamas terrorism until the ICC says so (and after they do you will just make another excuse).

I agree, targeting 'random' settlers is a crime as is targeting civilians.

So why do you keep arguing they are legitimate targets?

But how about 'armed' settlers, are they there as militants or as 'random' settlers who just happen to be committing war crimes on behalf of Israel.
How do you tell the difference between 'random' settlers and the 'terrorist' settlers, basketcase?
Do they have different hats?

Another pathetic attempt that clearly violates every international law and flies in the face of those rights groups you keep quoting. Your line of argument would mean that Israel can kill any Palestinian because of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP terrorsts. Are you going to stick to this claim or are you going to admit to the disgustingly immoral double standard?

I know you won't listen to an actual answer but Palestinians under attack from specific militants can defend themselves against those specific militants at that time just like Israel or Israelis are completely justified in defending themselves against Palestinians engaged in attacks during the attack. That's how self defence works. Sadly you are parroting the Hamas ideology that they can attack any Jewish Israeli at any time. Of course you include Palestinians killed in an attack in your numbers of 'Israeli crimes'.

You keep saying that if you think someone is a terrorist you can shoot them, even if they are a 13 year old just protesting.

You really have an amazing capacity to engage in outright lies. As I said above, anyone engaged in an attack is responsible for the consequences. If a 13 year old is attacking Jewish civilians or IDF troops and presents an imminent threat then yes, they are a legitimate target. if they are peacefully protesting hundreds of meters away then they aren't. As of now, the only source saying this kid was not engaged in the attack that killed an Israeli solider is from a PFLP organization.

Does that apply to Palestinians in the West Bank if they think an armed settler is a terrorist, or is that one of your racist rules that only applies to 'settlers'.

As I said previously, self defence only applies during an attack and if the attackers present an imminent threat. If some settler nut-job is throwing rocks or molotovs at Palestinians then the Palestinians are entitled to respond against that settler. Same goes for West Bank Palestinians throwing rocks or molotovs at Jews. But your double standard has you okay with Palestinian militants and complain when they get shot.

Questions like that are why I support brining in the ICC and charging both sides, so both sides stop attacking civilians.

Unless the ICC has the ability to remove Hamas from power, they serve no purpose. Hamas freely admits to committing attacks on civilians and investigations from your rights groups have confirmed it. Racist double standards have you aruing in support of Hamas' actions though.

Israel is the occupying force. Only they can end the military occupation. And they are refusing to even talk about it and instead stating that they will use their military force to steal more Palestinian land.
How is that the fault of Palestinians?

Israel absolutely can not end the occupation without having reached an agreement with the PA. And it's double standard time again that you criticize Israel over peace talks but are silent on Hamas refusing to even consider them and 70% of Palestinians (including the PA) opposing them.

'terrorist'
I love how you tried to replace 'terrorist' with 'racist' as if nobody would notice.
Mandela and Ghandi were labelled as terrorist by their colonial rulers, the same way you use the word 'terrorist'.

Sorry, thanks for correcting my typo. I'm not on here 48 hours a day like you so sometimes I type too fast.

Canada never labelled Mandela as a terrorist the way they do for Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, and many other Palestinian factions. that will only change when hamas stops being terrorists.


p.s. I see you backed down on your lie about Kach members in the Israeli government. I'd be fine with that fringe party losing their one seat over racism just like I'd be happy to see Hamas lose the right to govern over their terrorism.

 

[basketcase]

I condemn Israel for actions reported by legit human rights organizations.
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But don't condemn Hamas for actions reported by those same organizations, instead arguing those rights groups are wrong for doing so.

Make up you mind.
Support your rights groups for everything they say or ignore them completely.
Withhold condemnation until the ICC for both sides or neither.

But you'll chose secret option c of continuing to demonize Israel and excuse Hamas no matter what. I wonder what you excuse will be if the ICC does rule and condemns Hamas as terrorists too.

 

[basketcase]

When Israel hit 14 residential buildings, all of which were housing media outlets, you declared they were 'Hamas' to justify terrorism.
As if labelling every person Israel kills as 'Hamas', 'terrorist' or 'savage' gives you a license to murder.
All you are doing is using colonial language to support your own racial supremacist terrorism.

Gaza: Apparent War Crimes During May Fighting

Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups carried out attacks during the May 2021 fighting in the Gaza Strip and Israel that violated the laws of war and apparently amount to war crimes.

www.hrw.org

More of your excuses. Israel has intel that identified these buildings as military targets (and the one major media building clearly was being used by Hamas for electronic warfare). If the ICC wants to sit down with Israel, go through the intel, and evaluate if the military value outweighs the civilian toll then they'd be in a position to say. Claims by any group that hasn't evaluated the evidence are useless.

And look at you trying to characterize Israelis as savages by your (clearly incorrect) use of the word terrorism.

 

[Frankfooter]

If you're incapable of proving them wrong then yes. But of cours eyou think obsessively biassed sources are okay when they tweet things you like.

You are the one accusing Defense for Children International of being terrorists just because they reported that the 13 year old kid Israel shot was far away from the prison walls.
You don't even realize how far you've sunk when you have to call charities 'terrorists' just so you can defend using snipers against children?

Again you show you have absolutely no idea what a strawman argument is. You keep making excuses for Hamas and keep arguing that their terror rockets are legitimate self defense and attacks on Jews in the West bank are legitimate because some other Jews are terrorists.

You keep arguing that its ok to shoot children because Hamas and because 'terrorism', but then you turn around and say its no big deal that Israel elected politicians representing a Canadian identified terrorist group or that its no big deal that Israeli settlers act as terrorists. You make excuses and defend terrorism by Israel then say any accusations of Hamas must be treated totally differently.

Then you turn around and make full on straw man arguments, false statements saying I support Hamas when I don't.
You and contact are the ones defending terrorism here, not me.

Why do you think it's wrong for Canadian Jews to comment on Canada's Indigenous community unless they also demonize Israel?

I know, you want Canadian Jews to state that colonialism is evil except in Israel, where its a holy war against an inferior people.
The way you post in the white privilege thread then turn around here and argue for apartheid, settler colonialism and more terrorism against the people you think are so inferior you won't even name them.

I call Hamas terrorists because they are. I call PIJ terrorists because they are. I call PFLP terrorist because they are, at least according to Canada. I also have no problem calling Kach terrorists because they are.

The difference is that you support Israeli terrorists in government, Israeli terrorism by settlers and then say that you can't even talk peace with Hamas because of their acts of terrorism.
I say take them all to the ICC, because unlike you, I don't defend any acts of terrorism.

Only you would claim me calling the terrorists is defending them. The actual difference is I condemn terrorist son both sides while you obsessively demonize Israel while making excuses for hamas terrorism until the ICC says so (and after they do you will just make another excuse).

In 13 pages of you defending the use of snipers to shoot a Palestinian child who was protesting far away from the prison walls in Gaza, you have only defended terrorism.
You have not condemned terrorism committed on Palestinians in Gaza, have not condemned Israel for electing and making terrorists part of their government and have not come out and said settlers should be treated the same way as Hamas when they commit terrorism.
You are lying.

So why do you keep arguing they are legitimate targets?

Why do you keep lying?
I have never said that.

Another pathetic attempt that clearly violates every international law and flies in the face of those rights groups you keep quoting. Your line of argument would mean that Israel can kill any Palestinian because of Hamas, PIJ, PFLP terrorsts. Are you going to stick to this claim or are you going to admit to the disgustingly immoral double standard?

And yet this is exactly the line you are using in this thread to defend shooting children.
Don't you realize how incredibly disgusting it is that you've spent 13 pages defending shooting children with snipers?

I know you won't listen to an actual answer but Palestinians under attack from specific militants can defend themselves against those specific militants at that time just like Israel or Israelis are completely justified in defending themselves against Palestinians engaged in attacks during the attack. That's how self defence works

So you think Palestinians are therefore justified in attacking settlers who are aggressively trying to attack them and take their land for 'settlements'?
And you really won't turn around and call them 'terrorists' because they are attacking 'settlers'? Give me a break.
This is part of your racist supremacy where you don't think the people of Palestine have the right to self defence and only the illegal military occupiers are allowed 'self defence' for land they illegally occupy?

All this goes to say that you are arguing that Israel used terrorism to shoot this 13 year old child who was not engaged in violence and was 100 meters away from the Gaza prison walls.
There is no claim of self defence, only that this was a clear act of terrorism meant to terrify a population and stop them from protesting.

You are defending terrorism and apartheid.

 

[Frankfooter]

Make up you mind.
Support your rights groups for everything they say or ignore them completely.
Withhold condemnation until the ICC for both sides or neither.

I fully support ICC investigations on all accusations against Hamas and Israel in all reports by HRW, Amnesty, the UN and B'tselem.

You will never make that statement because you support Israeli terrorists.

You will never support Israel being held to the law for their acts of terrorism.
Because you are a terrorist supporter.
I just showed I'm not.

 

[contact]

I fully support ICC investigations on all accusations against Hamas and Israel in all reports by HRW, Amnesty, the UN and B'tselem.

You will never make that statement because you support Israeli terrorists.

You will never support Israel being held to the law for their acts of terrorism.
Because you are a terrorist supporter.
I just showed I'm not.

one VERY thing you continue to IGNORE frank

hamas IS a designated terrorist group you refuse to condemn them

Israel is NOT a terrorist group

you frank continue to support defend and attempt to justify the actions a terrorists

 

[Frankfooter]

one VERY thing you continue to IGNORE frank

hamas IS a designated terrorist group you refuse to condemn them

Israel is NOT a terrorist group

you frank continue to support defend and attempt to justify the actions a terrorists

Mandela was designated a terrorist at one point and so was Ghandi.

Meanwhile basketcase has said that militant settlers are terrorists and the Israeli government now includes elected members of a Canadian designated terror group.
And both you and basketcase have spent 13 pages defending shooting a 13 year old child with snipers, which is a clear case of terrorism.

You are the terrorist supporter here, contact.

I fully support ICC investigations on all accusations against Hamas and Israel in all reports by HRW, Amnesty, the UN and B'tselem.

You will never make that statement because you support Israeli terrorists.

 

[contact]

Mandela was designated a terrorist at one point and so was Ghandi.

Meanwhile basketcase has said that militant settlers are terrorists and the Israeli government now includes elected members of a Canadian designated terror group.
And both you and basketcase have spent 13 pages defending shooting a 13 year old child with snipers, which is a clear case of terrorism.

You are the terrorist supporter here, contact.

I fully support ICC investigations on all accusations against Hamas and Israel in all reports by HRW, Amnesty, the UN and B'tselem.

You will never make that statement because you support Israeli terrorists.

and yet AGAIN you attempt to justify and defend designated terrorists hamas

Israel is not a designated terrorist group no matter how much you hate them and Jews

your a terrorist supporting racist frank that's 100% fact

 

[Frankfooter]

and yet AGAIN you attempt to justify and defend designated terrorists hamas

Israel is not a designated terrorist group no matter how much you hate them and Jews

your a terrorist supporting racist frank that's 100% fact

Apartheid is second only to genocide as the worst possible racist crimes against humanity.
You are a supporter of apartheid and terrorism, contact.
As a defender of terrorism, settler colonialism and apartheid, your accusations are pathetic.

Israel elected recognized terrorists to their government, basketcase has defended settlers he calls terrorists and you've spent 15 pages here defending using terrorism to shoot children.
You are the supporter of terrorism.

I fully support ICC investigations on all accusations against Hamas and Israel in all reports by HRW, Amnesty, the UN and B'tselem.

You will never make that statement because you support Israeli terrorists.

Gaza: Apparent War Crimes During May Fighting

Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups carried out attacks during the May 2021 fighting in the Gaza Strip and Israel that violated the laws of war and apparently amount to war crimes.

www.hrw.org

 

[contact]

Apartheid is second only to genocide as the worst possible racist crimes against humanity.
You are a supporter of apartheid and terrorism, contact.
As a defender of terrorism, settler colonialism and apartheid, your accusations are pathetic.

Israel elected recognized terrorists to their government, basketcase has defended settlers he calls terrorists and you've spent 15 pages here defending using terrorism to shoot children.
You are the supporter of terrorism.

I fully support ICC investigations on all accusations against Hamas and Israel in all reports by HRW, Amnesty, the UN and B'tselem.

You will never make that statement because you support Israeli terrorists.

Gaza: Apparent War Crimes During May Fighting

Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups carried out attacks during the May 2021 fighting in the Gaza Strip and Israel that violated the laws of war and apparently amount to war crimes.

www.hrw.org

saying you fully support investigations is NOT even close to condemning terrorists frank but nice try

you still continue to make excuses support and attempt to justify the actions of designated terrorist hamas

Israel is not a designated terror group its a country defending itself against terror attacks by your buddies hamas

 

[Frankfooter]

saying you fully support investigations is NOT even close to condemning terrorists frank but nice try

you still continue to make excuses support and attempt to justify the actions of designated terrorist hamas

Israel is not a designated terror group its a country defending itself against terror attacks by your buddies hamas

In no post have I ever supported anything reported as terrorism, while you and basketcase continue to support elected terrorists, settler terrorism and the use of terrorism to shoot the 13 year old kid that this thread is about.

You are the supporter of terrorism, not me.
I support the application of international law on both sides, the campaign to end apartheid and establish equal rights.
That is the opposite of your terrorism support.

 

[contact]

In no post have I ever supported anything reported as terrorism, while you and basketcase continue to support elected terrorists, settler terrorism and the use of terrorism to shoot the 13 year old kid that this thread is about.

You are the supporter of terrorism, not me.
I support the application of international law on both sides, the campaign to end apartheid and establish equal rights.
That is the opposite of your terrorism support.

Every single post you make about Israel is in support of hamas a Designated Terrorist group you claimed thousands of rockets they launched on Israel was OK because Israel hits back harder and shoots most of them down you defend and support Terrorists

frank you are a terrorist supporter

No matter how hard you try you can’t weasel out of the fact that you advocate support and attempt to justify the actions of Hamas a designated terrorist organization

I will call out and point out your support of Terrorists every single day hundreds of times a day if necessary Frank

 

[Frankfooter]

Every single post you make about Israel is in support of hamas a Designated Terrorist group you claimed thousands of rockets they launched on Israel was OK because Israel hits back harder and shoots most of them down you defend and support Terrorists

Calling for Hamas to be investigated by the ICC for all allegations of war crimes and/or terrorism, along with Israel, is supporting terrorism in your very closed mind?
Wow.

I see, so in your small and scared world, with your very large reputed gun collection, you seem to think that even stating when rockets are war crimes, when they are terrorism and when they can be used for defence is 'supporting terrorism' while you also think shooting children is not terrorism. You seem to think that even considering that Palestinians might have some basic human rights, like the right to self defence against a 50 year long apartheid occupation is 'supporting terrorism'. Apparently to you, even reading reports by HRW and B'tselem is 'supporting terrorism', while basketcase argues that even charities like Defence For Children International are 'terrorists'.

You also seem to think using incredibly accurate weapons to wipe out entire families who were at home in bed is not terrorism. You also seem to think that shooting civilian protesters every Friday afternoon for a year is not terrorism. Nor do you have a problem with settlers committing terrorism or even electing terrorists into a government, as long as they are not Palestinian. Its the epitome of the most horrid colonial racism combined with a disgusting use of violence and terrorism. For 15 pages you have argued that shooting children for protesting is not terrorism.

Clearly this isn't about the crime of terrorism, this is about your use of the word 'terrorist' to label Palestinians as somehow subhuman and therefore justify killing them.

You are the one supporting terrorism while I am the one calling for both sides to be investigated and charged at the ICC based on human rights reports.
Stop accusing when you are the supporter of terrorism and apartheid.