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I believe the question was about transmission, not contraction. Since we don't know who those people in Massachusetts were around, all that report says is breakthrough cases occur, which we already know.Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, including COVID-19 ...
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This is a better example and makes the case for vaccine passports.
Lollapalooza mandated vaccines or a negative Covid test. Officials say there's no sign it was a superspreader event
There is no indication two weeks after Lollapalooza that the music festival contributed to a spike in Covid-19 infections, a Chicago health official said Thursday, despite attracting an estimated 385,000 attendees.
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Nope. Settled law for students - you don't have the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine, you cannot attend school. Similar for employment.
Yes, you do not have to take the vaccine (a choice I actually respect), but your employer does not have to accommodate you are continue to employ you. They can also require vaccination in the workplace and require you to attend the office. Should you fail to do so for 3 days, you are considered to have quit. We had this at a previous company where the firmware engineer was working remotely (and probably doing lots of side work) and a new VP came in an wanted everyone in the office. His lawyer huffed and puffed for a while and then we hired a new firmware engineer.
"Reasonable accommodation" does not include allowing full time remote work. And your employer can actually terminate you at any time for any reason other than those specific categories listed under Human Rights legislation; despite the odious attempts by some to portray the unvaccinated with yellow stars, it is as yet an unprotected status.
This whole thing is a scam. Not saying people aren't dying, but if you can't connect the dots and see that just like 9/11, this is just another opportunity to take more control of people. The "vaccine" does not make you immune to anything. Vaccinated people can still catch and spread covid just the same as unvaccinated people. First they said, they needed 70% of the people vaccinated, now they say 90%, and even still they want a vaccine passport regardless of how many people get vaccinated. I'm not saying i'll never get the vaccine, but i'm going to wait 3-5 years to see what happens to everyone else who took it. I took biotechnology in school and i know a normal vaccine takes about 10 years to develop and i also know what i'm hearing in the media is a lot of fear mongering. "Man in hosptial dying, asking for covid shot." "People that don't have the shot don't deserve a hospital bed...etc" Why is the government forcing people to take an unsafe vaccine? Something about this does not seem right to me.
None of the legal issues brought up by the pandemic have been tested in court yet as things are rapidly evolving. It is somewhat of the Wild West out there now. The politics of the pandemic are also fermenting more and more. If someone remains unvaccinated due a medical condition, say multiple allergies on the advise of their physician and no effort is made by the employer for reasonable accommodation then the employer may be at legal risk for compensation due to wrongful dismissal and certainly EI which is different than an individual who remains unvaccinated for ideological reasons and is terminated.
It is not reasonable to expect our politician to be able to juggle the healthcare and economic aspects of the pandemic simultaneously while pandering to the lobby groups .
The thing is if fully vaccinated people are contracting the virus, then they are carriers and as such are transmitting it.I believe the question was about transmission, not contraction. Since we don't know who those people in Massachusetts were around, all that report says is breakthrough cases occur, which we already know.
This is a better example and makes the case for vaccine passports.
Lollapalooza mandated vaccines or a negative Covid test. Officials say there's no sign it was a superspreader event
There is no indication two weeks after Lollapalooza that the music festival contributed to a spike in Covid-19 infections, a Chicago health official said Thursday, despite attracting an estimated 385,000 attendees.
Here's a recent study from Israel that actually throws away the case for vaccine passports and it's what you and I discussed previously regarding natural immunity and which we were in agreement:
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...
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I don't have all statistics, but if the vaccine is widely available in our society, why care about the chances of transmission at all? Everyone who wants a vaccine has already got one, so at this point the unvaccinated people are unvaccinated because of their own decision? If they end up in the hospital, it's their own doing, so why should we force the vaccine down their throat? We're assuming the vaccines actually work
Another problem with that reasoning is that it doesn't take into the account the cost-benefit ratio of taking the vaccine for each person as an individual. A 75 year old will react differently to COVID than a 20 year old
I'm not against vaccines. I don't believe they're fake or that there is a conspiracy at all. Everyone who believes they're at risk from COVID should absolutely get a vaccine based on the data we have. But I think for this particular disease, a vaccine mandate seems like a irrational decision.
On top of all of this pfizer applied for the permission to inoculate kids as young as 5, we already have a 76% fully vacinated and 80+% , with single shot, by all estimates we should have reached the herd imunity level when we passed 60% of fully vacinated.. To push this on children who have 0% chance of dying from covid, and very large chance of having serious cardiac issues related to mrna in young healthy fit individuals that i have witnesed first hand, is plain criminal.
Who will risk their childs life in order to protect it from something that does not affect it at all
Limiting it to valid or not opens up the fraud doors. Just need a few shady business to record QR codes and they will sell them. Only way to ensure it actually works is to have the place verify the identity. But that's not too popular among spa goers or those that visit strip clubs.
There will need to be a lot of ironing out. I predict it will be a huge mess come Sept 22nd just like the shitty covid bluetooth app. Government will spend a billion and still have shit. Wonder what lucky tech company is getting picked/has gotten picked to develop it
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Do you have any articles or details to share. I'm pretty ignorant of how this is supposed to work and how it actually works.
Also what private sector companies made it?
Are they good friends of Mr dougie?
Because if things run wild the unvaccinated have the potential to clog up the hospitals.
Also it's asking almost nothing of people.
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"We're assuming the vaccines actually work"
Seriously?
Children are going to the ICU or hospital and are experiencing long covid symptoms. They just aren't getting hit as hard as the elderly population. But Covid can harm you even if it doesn't kill you.
"Very large chance of having serious cardiac issues". Are you talking about some instances of myocarditis after the second shot? Are you aware covid itself has a lot more side effects for every single subset of population (including young children) vs the vaccine?
In fact, go ahead and tell us your medical/scientific background. You clearly have a strong opinion that goes against what established professionals think. So naturally, you must have some serious credentials In the science and/or medical field.
Do you know that for a fact? What's your proof? The news? Something that happens to one child will be all over the news. If a child gets vaccinated and dies I very much doubt you'll hear it. This is what bothers me with the one-sided news we're hearing these days.
The same can be said about so many other viruses. No one's denying the virus can cause problems for some. The issue is that the vaccines can cause problems also. And, right now those problems are being ignored. I personally know more people dealing with vaccine issues than covid. However, we are only made aware of covid issues. Why is no one talking about the many women who are now having messed up periods since taking the vaccines or having miscarriages? I know 3 women who lost their babies this year right after getting the vaccine, as they were encouraged to do so for their and baby's safety. My childhood friend passed away the day after taking the vaccine. I've heard of others passing from heart attacks. This is not something that should be forced onto people or for people to be coerced into taking. I have no issue with vaccinations. My big issue is that natural immunity is not even acknowledged and everything revolves around mandating vaccines that are not 100% effective, not long-lasting, and that already have some serious side effects nevermind unknown long-term issues from the new mRNA technology that's used. To this day I don't know one person who's died from covid and everyone I know who got it recovered. I have heard from some friends about a few people they knew who passed from covid, but in all those cases they had some underlying ussue and would likely have died from a bad bout of flu just the same.
No matter, vaccines seem to help people deal with the virus and I'm for whoever believes it'll help them. Just don't be fooled into thinking the current vaccines prevent you from catching the virus and transmitting it. And, don't think there are no side effects associated with them and they are 100% safe. I understand why people would want to get the vaccine. Those people should also be understanding why there are people who are against it and not just believe whatever is shared in social media and the news outlets, which is full of misinformation and exaggeration.
I'm not reading this wall of badly formatted text but just skimming through it I can see you saying that we can't trust the media and you don't personally know anyone who died or got long covid symptoms so I must be wrong. But you do know people who have experienced vaccine side effects. That's anecdotal. I gave you facts that can be verified if you bothered to actually look at data. 10% of people who get covid experience long haul symptoms.
I could give you personal anecdotes that back my opinion but you know why I won't? Cause anecdotal information is worthless.
It's embarrassing even reading the arguments you people write out. Keep regurgitating Russian disinformation campaigns from Facebook.
I can't believe how many babies are here.
Get your damn vaccine. Get with the program.
Get your damn vaccine. Get with the program.
I honestly stoped responding to him because of all that anecdotal evidence as well. He should buy a lottery ticket. Millions of people have taken the shot and are completely fine. This includes thousands of women who have given birth to healthy babies, but everyone he knows has had a miscarriage or is dying from some kind of vaccine complication.
We need to have skeptics to ensure that we come to the best solution for everyone who is affected by this pandemic. If everyone goes along blindly then how do we really know what we are doing is right?
Lmao
I don't have facebook and I'm not on social media. I have a science degree and have been in the pharma industry for 15 years. I derive my information from real life experience and the science I follow. The same cannot be said about you.
You don't need to read anything I write and you can continue to believe the vast amount of misinformation out there about covid.
So far the only person who has not provided any facts is you and yet you claim I share anecdotals lol
And by the way, as you had trouble reading what I wrote, I'm going to simplify my message: I'm not saying vaccines are dangerous, I'm saying they're not 100% safe. Moreover, they're not necessary for every single person, especially those with natural immunity.
Sad how people who can't defend an argument, resort to making fun of others and picking on their writing.
Continue believing whatever you want. You have every right to be wrong.
