Ontario Vaccine Passport

harbourhavoc

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Looks like the law will apply to MPs (although not explicitly listed as such):

* Strip clubs, bath houses and sex clubs.

As of Sep 22, have to show the 2 dose receipt, as of Oct 22, must have the QR code either printed out or on a smartphone.

Interestingly, employees are exempt.
Are you sure? Don’t MP’s fall under personal care services? MPs were allowed to open up with high stylists and the sort but I don’t think strip clubs were.

Don’t get me wrong, MPs are more like strip clubs than hair stylists — but here’s hoping dofo sticks with the previous classification.

Any insight from the owners?
 

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Good point. I did say that their classification was ambiguous - assumed "sex clubs" was the closest - but who knows.

And, actually, I don't mind if they are included - I'm fully vaxxed (and have recently had non-Covid health issues) and would be happy if everyone else was as well. I fully respect the personal choice to not get the vaccine, but there are consequences (except for the very rare medical exemption). You can't drive without a DL, or fly internationally without a passport, both of which are purely voluntary.
 

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Hmmm so if I have some kind of vaccine card, and I go to a spa or stripclub that means when they scan my card with the QC reader, the spa or stripclub will know my real name and personal info? (Logically they will have to compare the name on the ID card to the name on my drivers license). Also that means if I enter a spa or stripclub the government knows I was there too. I don’t like it.

Dude, the government already knows you're a terb member. Facebook and Google already know you visit sex workers. As long as you're not a serial killer you will be fine.
 

chaychay

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Bummer...
I happened to be corresponding with the manager at Flirt, and she told me "Currently we fall under “personal services” and do not require full vaccination."

Alas, strip clubs may be the safer option for now.
 

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Bummer...
I happened to be corresponding with the manager at Flirt, and she told me "Currently we fall under “personal services” and do not require full vaccination."

Alas, strip clubs may be the safer option for now.
Spas aren't considered bath houses?
 

xmontrealer

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Since my divorce I couldn't care less if Spa management or receptionists know my actual name and address. Prior to the divorce I may have been a bit uneasy about that...
 
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Actually, that privacy issue is exactly what the QR code is for.

Starting Sep 22 you are supposed to show the receipt and ID (so your concern is valid), but the QR code will be issued to you and once scanned (establishments can download a scanning app) it will only show "valid" or not. No identifiable information is transmitted (or that's the plan anyway - rushed rollouts aren't always the most secure).
Do you really believe the QR code will only show valid/invalid? Of course it will carry some personal information and I'm sure it will also be used as a form of contact tracing and tracking places you visited.
 

chodge

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what if you have a phone that cant read qr code or no phone at all is there a plastic card
 

Eclipse1987

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Do you really believe the QR code will only show valid/invalid? Of course it will carry some personal information and I'm sure it will also be used as a form of contact tracing and tracking places you visited.
The vaccination receipt and QR code will include your name, date of birth, the last 4 digit of your health card (not the entire thing), your vaccination status, vaccination date and the organization from where you got the vaccine. Besides the last 4 digits of your health card, not much of anything you don't already give out.

Reception sees so many people walk in and out I highly doubt they have the time or motivation to care or memorize everyone's personal information. The girls are probably not going to bother asking either since you go through the lobby already.

Google/Apple can already track where you visited via the Phones GPS. Your cell provider already triangulated your positions based on the 3 closes cell tower it pings. They don't need a QR code to track the places you've been to. Your car's built in GPS does the same thing too. If you don't want to be tracked, don't carry a phone and drive cars without navigation. Otherwise your location is already recorded somewhere.

Exactly this. This is a huge breach of privacy and personal freedoms.
I don't see how that's really a breach of any ones privacy. People who take advantage of birthday specials at MPs already show their Drivers license to the receptionist to prove that it is in fact their birthday. Now you're just showing it to get in. You already have to show your id to get into Casinos or present your passport when you travel outside of Canada, yet we don't claim those are breaching our privacy and freedoms.

I certainly don't see how it's a breach of your personal freedom. You're not forced to get vaccinated, you just won't be able take part in activities that requires it. Just the same as you're not forced to get a Drivers license, you just won't be able to legally own and operate a motor vehicle until you get your Drivers License.

Or own a gun without gun permit
or practice law without a license
or operate a body rub parlor without a license.
or be a MP without a license.

How is this any different. No one is forcing you to do anything, just make sure you also accept the potential consequences of your decision.

what if you have a phone that cant read qr code or no phone at all is there a plastic card
You go to the government website to retrieve the vaccination receipt which you can then download it directly onto your phone or print it out. You don't need a phone to read the QR code. That's up to the person letting you in to where ever you are going to scan. There's no plastic, you can print it on any piece of paper and keep it in your wallet.


These are just my opinion. The alternative is another lockdown and I doubt anyone wants that.
 
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Aioria

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I don't see how that's really a breach of any ones privacy. People who take advantage of birthday specials at MPs already show their Drivers license to the receptionist to prove that it is in fact their birthday. Now you're just showing it to get in. You already have to show your id to get into Casinos or present your passport when you travel outside of Canada, yet we don't claim those are breaching our privacy and freedoms.
Those are not breaches of privacy and freedom.
Requiring an ID to enter an adults-only establishment makes sense and so does needing a passport to travel.
You only show your ID at lcbo/bars/clubs/casinos and even massage parlours if they suspect you're underage. That's understandable.
You are permitted to travel by showing a valid passport to ensure you're not a criminal/fugitive and have no outstanding warrants and for countries to know and monitor who enters their borders.
Very different reasons if you ask me.
 

Aioria

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The alternative is another lockdown and I doubt anyone wants that.
This QR pass is not the solution and we are kidding ourselves if we think these vaccine passports are going to do anything. Even if all the unvaccinated people stay the *%\× home, the virus will continue to be spread amongst the vaccinated everywhere they go under the false pretext they are vaccinated. The issue is that no vaccine is 100% effective and the protection only lasts a certain number of months, so you will continue to catch and transmit the virus and at some point you will not have antibodies unless you ensure you keep getting booster shots for as long as you live, which are not even 100% effective against the novel coronavirus nevermind all the new variants.
 

Aioria

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Do you really believe they are not in the process of tweaking the vaccines to account for the variants? Just like they tweak the flu shot every year. This is a global health emergency.
He's right. A bunch of companies almost at the same time came up with a bunch of these vaccines at record times and then nothing since. It's been almost a year since these vaccines were introduced. It makes no sense. And unlike the flu shot that's available each year that targets the likely strains they believe will be prevalent during that flu season, the booster shot for covid they are talking about is basically getting the same vaccine that was developed for the novel coronavirus and which you've already had been injected with twice and which is not even 100% effective for the novel coronavirus let alone all these new variants that keep coming out
 

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This QR pass is not the solution and we are kidding ourselves if we think these vaccine passports are going to do anything. Even if all the unvaccinated people stay the *%\× home, the virus will continue to be spread amongst the vaccinated everywhere they go under the false pretext they are vaccinated. The issue is that no vaccine is 100% effective and the protection only lasts a certain number of months, so you will continue to catch and transmit the virus and at some point you will not have antibodies unless you ensure you keep getting booster shots for as long as you live, which are not even 100% effective against the novel coronavirus nevermind all the new variants.
Of all the posts and comments I've read about QR pass, Vaxxpass, Fuxxine pass (my favorite lol), this is the best explanation of what it will do and more importantly, what it will not do, which is prevent the virus.

Good job Aioria.
 

chingster1

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I don't see how that's really a breach of any ones privacy. People who take advantage of birthday specials at MPs already show their Drivers license to the receptionist to prove that it is in fact their birthday. Now you're just showing it to get in. You already have to show your id to get into Casinos or present your passport when you travel outside of Canada, yet we don't claim those are breaching our privacy and freedoms.
I've done that one and I covered my name while showing my ID, they just need to see the birthday. And that's different from an app because an app saves that info. Flashing your card to someone they'll forget the details in 5 mins. Not only that, the app will have your vaccination status, full name, location, phone number and whatever else they have on you since it's all tied to your health card.
 

Ssjsamo

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This QR pass is not the solution and we are kidding ourselves if we think these vaccine passports are going to do anything. Even if all the unvaccinated people stay the *%\× home, the virus will continue to be spread amongst the vaccinated everywhere they go under the false pretext they are vaccinated. The issue is that no vaccine is 100% effective and the protection only lasts a certain number of months, so you will continue to catch and transmit the virus and at some point you will not have antibodies unless you ensure you keep getting booster shots for as long as you live, which are not even 100% effective against the novel coronavirus nevermind all the new variants.
It is not the end all solution but a solid temporary measure. Of course there will be breakthrough cases, but likelihood of transmission between fully vaxxed people is significantly reduced compared to that among unvaccinated individuals. And even the vaccinated people that get it will be less sick and hospitalizations will not skyrocket. The whole point is to minimize transmission and prevent further lockdowns, not ensure zero cases. That's why the vast majority of businesses support the mandate. It's about staying open and keeping money in their pocket since over 3/4 of the eligible population is fully vaccinated.
 
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thecrazyjammer

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True first world problems lol

We are here talking about potential privacy breach for going to massage parlors to be with hot girls and get jerked off.

People around the world are worried about much worse things relating to the virus, losing loved ones. Even non-virus related things like the shit show in Afghanistan and their breach of privacy and life by the taliban.

Nothing said here will change what the government will do, sure vent all you want, but please take a step back and look at what you're really complaining about.

Happy hobbying
 
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