Provincial capital in Afghanistan falls to the Taliban
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Lets hope they keep their word
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Taliban vows not to 'hold any grudges' and wants no more war
It comes after the Taliban seized power in Afghanistan in the space of just over a week.
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Why did the Afghan army disintegrate so quickly?
The billions spent by the US and NATO on the Afghan military could not fix major internal flaws.
I bet several members on here will argue that and support, defend and make excuses for the taliban the same guys who support hamas
EU foreign policy chief: Taliban ‘WON THE WAR,’ we’ll have to talk to them – and acknowledge mistakes
17 Aug, 2021 16:47 / Updated 10 hours ago
The EU’s foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell has said there are many lessons to be learned over Afghanistan and the Taliban’s takeover, adding that, as the militant group has won the war, the bloc will have to engage with it.
Any cooperation by Brussels with the new government of Afghanistan “will be conditioned on a peaceful and inclusive settlement and respect for the fundamental rights of all Afghans, including women, youth and persons belonging to minorities,” as well as respect for other commitments such as fighting against corruption and preventing the use of Afghan territory by terrorists, Borrell said on Monday.
The EU will continue to provide aid to the Afghan people, he added, calling on the Taliban to respect international humanitarian law.
The group now has full control of Afghanistan, following the complete collapse of the US-backed Afghan government installed in 2001. “The Taliban have won the war so we will have to talk to them,” Borrell added, acknowledging the political reality on the ground.
“We have to get in touch with the authorities in Kabul, whatever they are,” the EU high representative noted, “in order to engage in a dialogue, as soon as necessary, to prevent a humanitarian and a potential migratory disaster.”
“This new reality comes 20 years after the beginning of the military operation launched by the US with the support of NATO in October 2001,” Borrell told reporters in an online press conference.
He noted that the original military and political commitment – to destroy the Al-Qaeda terrorist group – “shifted to nation building” of a modern state in Afghanistan. “The first part of the mission succeeded, and the second did not,” he said.
Borrell's remarks come after a meeting of EU foreign ministers, and their consultations with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
The sudden collapse of the Afghan army, which the West has spent a lot of money and effort to train, came as a surprise to everyone, the EU foreign policy chief said. “I think that even the Taliban has been surprised by their victory.”
“We have to recognize that mistakes have been made, especially when it comes to the evaluation of the military capacity of the Afghan army to resist the Taliban offensive,” Borrell said, noting that now is the time to look at the future and work on the objective of evacuating EU personnel and their Afghan allies from the country.
17 Aug, 2021 16:47 / Updated 10 hours ago
The EU’s foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell has said there are many lessons to be learned over Afghanistan and the Taliban’s takeover, adding that, as the militant group has won the war, the bloc will have to engage with it.
Any cooperation by Brussels with the new government of Afghanistan “will be conditioned on a peaceful and inclusive settlement and respect for the fundamental rights of all Afghans, including women, youth and persons belonging to minorities,” as well as respect for other commitments such as fighting against corruption and preventing the use of Afghan territory by terrorists, Borrell said on Monday.
The EU will continue to provide aid to the Afghan people, he added, calling on the Taliban to respect international humanitarian law.
The group now has full control of Afghanistan, following the complete collapse of the US-backed Afghan government installed in 2001. “The Taliban have won the war so we will have to talk to them,” Borrell added, acknowledging the political reality on the ground.
“We have to get in touch with the authorities in Kabul, whatever they are,” the EU high representative noted, “in order to engage in a dialogue, as soon as necessary, to prevent a humanitarian and a potential migratory disaster.”
“This new reality comes 20 years after the beginning of the military operation launched by the US with the support of NATO in October 2001,” Borrell told reporters in an online press conference.
He noted that the original military and political commitment – to destroy the Al-Qaeda terrorist group – “shifted to nation building” of a modern state in Afghanistan. “The first part of the mission succeeded, and the second did not,” he said.
Borrell's remarks come after a meeting of EU foreign ministers, and their consultations with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
The sudden collapse of the Afghan army, which the West has spent a lot of money and effort to train, came as a surprise to everyone, the EU foreign policy chief said. “I think that even the Taliban has been surprised by their victory.”
“We have to recognize that mistakes have been made, especially when it comes to the evaluation of the military capacity of the Afghan army to resist the Taliban offensive,” Borrell said, noting that now is the time to look at the future and work on the objective of evacuating EU personnel and their Afghan allies from the country.
"He noted that the original military and political commitment – to destroy the Al-Qaeda terrorist group – “shifted to nation building” of a modern state in Afghanistan. “The first part of the mission succeeded, and the second did not,” he said."
Destroying Al-Qaeda was the easy part. In fact, OBL was taken down with good intelligence and Seal Team 6.
The second part was a lefty pipe dream that cost us precious blood and treasure.
Killing of Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia
Destroying Al-Qaeda was the easy part. In fact, OBL was taken down with good intelligence and Seal Team 6.
The second part was a lefty pipe dream that cost us precious blood and treasure.
Killing of Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia
PM Trudeau is really weird.
This is not Trudeau's war.
It was PM Harper. He decided to help, but later he pulled out.
It is too bad what happened, but that is not really Canada's problem. It did not work out for the Americans. What is really interesting, no one was really actively supporting the Taliban unlike the North Vietnamese via the Ho Chi Min Trail with Russian and Chinese supplies along with advisors.
The Americans miscalculated. Then it collapsed completely. Cannot blame the foreigners because they did not care either. Washington DC is finger-pointing-central right about now. Hehe.
Today PM Trudeau says Canada will not recognize the new government of Afghanistan.
The guy is so immature.
I would like to say that, because he will be our next Prime Minister on Sep 20th, and preferably with a majority!
What a world!
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The Taliban did not make those guns and and ammunition themselves. We may not know who supplies the weapons (you and I that is)... but someone backed them. Someone fed them. Someone armed them.PM Trudeau is really weird.
This is not Trudeau's war.
It was PM Harper. He decided to help, but later he pulled out.
It is too bad what happened, but that is not really Canada's problem. It did not work out for the Americans. What is really interesting, no one was really actively supporting the Taliban unlike the North Vietnamese via the Ho Chi Min Trail with Russian and Chinese supplies along with advisors.
The Americans miscalculated. Then it collapsed completely. Cannot blame the foreigners because they did not care either. Washington DC is finger-pointing-central right about now. Hehe.
Today PM Trudeau says Canada will not recognize the new government of Afghanistan.
The guy is so immature.
I would like to say that, because he will be our next Prime Minister on Sep 20th, and preferably with a majority!
What a world!
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Those look like weapons they captured from the Soviets in the 1980's. They're ludicrously out of date by today's standards.
I did not imply they would become another religion. Basically, what I said is the Afghan people who do not like shaira law are fucked, especially women. It is Biden's fault for what happened, as others have said, this was a terrible event, easily envisioned by anyone with half a brain, let alone thousand of so called experts supposedly on the job. They, should have pulled the citizens out first, destroy any arms and supporting equipment and then the troops. Biden did it ass backwards.
Well, everybody knew that the Talis would end up in control. After all, they won in 1988 after kicking the Soviets out, ruled for 10 years and still had the support of the people. The question is: "How quickly?"
History is full of events where one side was caught off guard. Viet Nam in '72. The Tet Offensive in '68. The sudden fall of the Soviet Union. Things sometimes have their own momentum.
The VN War in particular was marked by endless reports by US military intelligence that the VC was about to be destroyed and that the ARVN was a great fighting force and that the VN people loved the US and hated communism. It was all BS. The political pressure on the Colonels and Majors to write BS positive, rah-rah reports came from the generals. The generals boosted how positive the reports were because they were under pressure from the cabinet. And the cabinet wanted to give the president good news every morning.
That's politics in the intelligence community.
Donald Rumsfeld was well known for writing emails to different staffers on the same day where he would give 2 diametrically opposed views of the situation and 2 totally different recommendations. Why?..... Because he would save BOTH of those emails and use whatever one was later proved to be correct to cover his own ass.
Generations of US administrations have believed that Ghan could be remade, apparently as sort of a colourful suburb of LA with funny costumes. The degree of conviction ebbed, but the illusion never went entirely away.
So Biden getting caught off guard is pretty normal. That's war for you. If you don't get surprised, the other side isn't doing its job.
Well not really out of date A gun made 100 years ago will kill you just as dead as a gun made today. The taliban primarily uses the AK 47 and the AKM still in use today They use the RPK, Pkm And the DSHK heavy machine gun, Russians version of a 50 Cal. Then they have various versions of the RPG probably not much up-to-date stuff for use against reactive armor. as far as supplies I bet you it’s Iran they were getting munitions from possibly China Who will sell to anyone that can pay
Actually, the fuckers seem to have captured M-4's. See the photo. At least 1 of those carbines has a modern looking scope.
I doubt they captured them. The M4s were given to them as recruits in the Afghan army, remember? 330,000
