Should I be using a burner phone when contacting SPs?

[Tipsyalt]

Sorry if this is off-topic, I'm just looking for local advice since most info I was able to find on this subject were for the US, where prostitution laws are a bit different.

I've been using my personal cell phone to contact providers, which so far hasn't caused me any issues. However, I'm a little worried that this could bite me in the ass later on the off chance that an SP I've contacted gets her phone seized by the police or whatever. Would getting a burner phone and prepaid cell plan be a good way to avoid this? Or am I overthinking this and I shouldn't bother?

 

[blacklabdog]

You can also use a text app if googling your ph # is an issue - not for legal purposes , but privacy. Apps allow calls and messaging

 

[gibarian]

Cops generally have bigger fish to fry, they're not going after clients, especially if you're seeing reputable/indie providers. Plus, in most cases sex workers aren't breaking any laws, so if their phone was seized it would likely be for something completely unrelated, and your conversations with them would probably be irrelevant to the scope of the investigation. And even if they did analyze them, I doubt text messages alone constitute an actual prosecutable offense. They could only serve as information for building a more concrete investigation (and, once again, bigger fish to fry, resources applied elsewhere).

All that to say I'm personally not worried, and will continue to use my regular ass phone.

 

[Lickylick]

Cops generally have bigger fish to fry, they're not going after clients, especially if you're seeing reputable/indie providers. Plus, in most cases sex workers aren't breaking any laws, so if their phone was seized it would likely be for something completely unrelated, and your conversations with them would probably be irrelevant to the scope of the investigation. And even if they did analyze them, I doubt text messages alone constitute an actual prosecutable offense. They could only serve as information for building a more concrete investigation (and, once again, bigger fish to fry, resources applied elsewhere).

All that to say I'm personally not worried, and will continue to use my regular ass phone.

Lol with every client they see and consideration is exchanged for sex, they are committing accessory to a crime to which they are granted immunity under the current law.

 

[Stan123]

I would recommend googling your own phone number and make 100% sure it isn't posted anywhere. Someone I texted was able to find me based on my name and phone number being tracked to a community group I am a member of. They then tracked my workplace and threatened to go to my employer if I didn't give them what they wanted. So I would definitely recommend a burner phone, but if you are going to use your personal phone make sure it is not listed ANYWHERE on the internet.

 

[gibarian]

Lol with every client they see and consideration is exchanged for sex, they are committing accessory to a crime to which they are granted immunity under the current law.

Pretty sure that's just your own made-up interpretation of the current law, and also that you're conflating 'decriminalization' with 'immunity'.

I'm not a lawyer, though, so if someone with concrete knowledge wants to correct me, they can. We both know that's not you, though.

And regardless of potential corrections... find me one example of a SW's personal phone being seized, them being granted "immunity," and their clients being pursued. It ain't happening like that, chief.

 

[Lickylick]

Pretty sure that's just your own made-up interpretation of the current law, and also that you're conflating 'decriminalization' with 'immunity'.

I'm not a lawyer, though, so if someone with concrete knowledge wants to correct me, they can. We both know that's not you, though.

And regardless of potential corrections... find me one example of a SW's personal phone being seized, them being granted "immunity," and their clients being pursued. It ain't happening like that, chief.

Questions and Answers - Prostitution Criminal Law Reform: Bill C-36, the Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.justice.gc.ca

 

[Lickylick]

Pretty sure that's just your own made-up interpretation of the current law, and also that you're conflating 'decriminalization' with 'immunity'.

I'm not a lawyer, though, so if someone with concrete knowledge wants to correct me, they can. We both know that's not you, though.

And regardless of potential corrections... find me one example of a SW's personal phone being seized, them being granted "immunity," and their clients being pursued. It ain't happening like that, chief.

You should really do some research before you share your ideas, that your feeble little brain thinks up. Stop projecting your inabilities and lack of intelligence.

The act of selling sex is not criminal, the act of paying for sex is criminal, the personal selling sexual services becomes an accessory to the crime of purchasing sexual services.

Question 3 explains how they are protected/immunity.

 

[gibarian]

The act of selling sex is not criminal, the act of paying for sex is criminal, the personal selling sexual services becomes an accessory to the crime of purchasing sexual services.

So find one example of this happening, then.

You're offering a galaxy brain, catch 22 interpretation of the law. You're saying that people who sell sexual services are exempt from criminal charges, but when they sell sexual services they become accessories to a crime, and are therefore no longer exempt from criminal charges (defeating the purpose of laws intended to decriminalize the selling of sexual services).

Question 3 explains how they are protected/immunity.

As usual, you've missed the point.

The word "immunity" does not appear anywhere on the page you linked. Immunity is a condition granted to someone who has committed a crime. You cannot obtain immunity from an action that is decriminalized, because it was not a crime.

 

[Lickylick]

So find one example of this happening, then.

You're offering a galaxy brain, catch 22 interpretation of the law. You're saying that people who sell sexual services are exempt from criminal charges, but when they sell sexual services they become accessories to a crime, and are therefore no longer exempt from criminal charges (defeating the purpose of laws intended to decriminalize the selling of sexual services).


As usual, you've missed the point.

The word "immunity" does not appear anywhere on the page you linked. Immunity is a condition granted to someone who has committed a crime. You cannot obtain immunity from an action that is decriminalized, because it was not a crime.

Again you're projecting. Believe what you want, I will remind you once again you expesss your opinions and refrain from assuming others intelligence makes. My statements are based in facts not made up thoughts like yourself.

Again refer to question 3. Use your big boy brain, I know your feeble brain can figure it out. I'm done conversing with you.

 

[gibarian]

Of course you're done, you name-call and run when you're wrong.

Question 3 does not address anything related to immunity. This page outlines the actual nature of the legal terminology you're misusing: https://www.ppsc-sppc.gc.ca/eng/pub/fpsd-sfpg/fps-sfp/tpd/p3/ch03.html

 

[Nesbot]

I kind of like gibarian. We almost never agree on anything, but I like the controversy he brings. And he certainly doesn't back down. I can respect that.

This one devolved from the central point (once again), but bringing it back to the main idea. In my personal opinion, no need for a burner phone. As stated above, a texting app is fine. Some ladies state no texting apps, but you should avoid seeing those ladies if that makes you uncomfortable. Do what makes you comfortable.

I only ever booked with my real number with one SP. Yes she was former OIC and retired a couple years ago. I have since, never used my real number.

 

[gibarian]

In my personal opinion, no need for a burner phone.

Hey, we agree on at least one thing, then.

She was banned (probably for sock-puppeting) and then unbanned shortly after.

Not a 'she', stop the tired trolling.

I was temp-banned for, like, swearing/using insults during an argument. The person I was arguing with -- showbizz, who this board tolerated for years -- was also temp-banned for the same thing during roughly the same period of arguing with me. And then he and a bunch of the other absolute dumpsters who posted here were perma-banned. I don't know why some of you like to keep bringing up that era, it doesn't really reflect well on you that a bunch of you encouraged and fraternized with those guys for years, and had zero compunctions about doing it.

 

[DoctorMuon]

I don't think that's necessary, just get a text app.

 

[Lickylick]

Of course you're done, you name-call and run when you're wrong.

Question 3 does not address anything related to immunity. This page outlines the actual nature of the legal terminology you're misusing: https://www.ppsc-sppc.gc.ca/eng/pub/fpsd-sfpg/fps-sfp/tpd/p3/ch03.html

The only thing being misused is your brain.

Q3. Can a person sell sexual services?
A3. The new prostitution laws do not criminalize the sale of sexual services. They also protect those who sell their own sexual services from criminal liability for any part they may play in the prostitution offences that prohibit purchasing sexual services, advertising those services, receiving a material benefit from the prostitution of others or procuring others for the purpose of prostitution.



To protect someone from criminal liability, is to grant them immunity. Have a nice day don't let the door hit your head on the way out.

 

[asuran]

Personally, I never had any issues using my phone. But of course I don't use it to text or call any ads/numbers that I find sketchy. Been doing this long enough to know my spidey sense is top-notch.

I use email for screening/deposits and texting is mainly the day of the meet.

Edit: Forgot to add: There's also Twitter and other forms of social media communication as well. So sometimes I don't even have to text at all.

 

[Mod123]

It's ok to have differing views but please be civil when communicating with each other.

You should really do some research before you share your ideas, that your feeble little brain thinks up. Stop projecting your inabilities and lack of intelligence.

The act of selling sex is not criminal, the act of paying for sex is criminal, the personal selling sexual services becomes an accessory to the crime of purchasing sexual services.

Question 3 explains how they are protected/immunity.

Again you're projecting. Believe what you want, I will remind you once again you expesss your opinions and refrain from assuming others intelligence makes. My statements are based in facts not made up thoughts like yourself.

Again refer to question 3. Use your big boy brain, I know your feeble brain can figure it out. I'm done conversing with you.

The only thing being misused is your brain.

Q3. Can a person sell sexual services?
A3. The new prostitution laws do not criminalize the sale of sexual services. They also protect those who sell their own sexual services from criminal liability for any part they may play in the prostitution offences that prohibit purchasing sexual services, advertising those services, receiving a material benefit from the prostitution of others or procuring others for the purpose of prostitution.



To protect someone from criminal liability, is to grant them immunity. Have a nice day don't let the door hit your head on the way out.

Were the highlighted comments really necessary?
Giving lickylick a pass this time.
Hopefully these types of comments don't come up again in anyone's posts.
Please review the rules.

 

[Stan123]

What is the best texting app? The one I tried was super expensive.

 

[westcityside]

What is the best texting app? The one I tried was super expensive.

"Text Free " is free

 

[neverknow]

What is the best texting app? The one I tried was super expensive.

Textnow is also free. I've been using it for years.

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