Alternative to deposits??? What are they?

[explorerzip]

So I don’t want this to turn into a “never give deposits” thread. That is not what this is about.

This is about asking you guys what the alternative should be if deposits shouldn’t be requested.

Many on this board know that I don’t request deposit because I feel they should only be given with a contract signed. This is what I am use to in business and it protects both parties. So I have never asked for one.

However, I am getting more calls for longer dates, prebookings for tours, etc.

If I have a request for a two hour date on an evening that I arrive in a city, that will be the only date I book. Meaning others will not be able to. If he cancels last minute or doesn’t show, I’m kinda screwed.

So what is the alternative to ensure that the client shows and doesn’t screw the whole schedule for the night?

There is a thread on here where a guy paid the deposit on a pre-booked appointment, canceled same day, and wanted to push his deposit to a rescheduled appointment. The escort said his deposit is forfeit. Is that not what a deposit is for? So that if you don’t show up, she is not totally out of costs? Yet others say she actually stole his money.

So what is there to do? How do you, as someone who is against deposits, suggest that an escort protect herself and her schedule/time, with precooked or longer booked appointments?

No fighting on this guys, let’s have an true open discussion and see if we can’t get somewhere on this topic.

You should know better than to ask guys on here not to fight

I don't have an issue with deposits in principal because there is always the possibility of either side not showing up. I think the only alternative to deposits is e-gift cards. The sender would have to create a separate Amazon so their real name doesn't show up.

The only thing else you can do is to send a reminder e-mail on the day of your appointment that also states the the deposit is forfeited in case of a no-show. It is sad that you have to play mother like this and remind people of their appointments though I get it that things can happen at the last minute, but it is very easy to send a message or e-mail barring a medical or other legit emergency.

Touring is a tough one because if someone cancels last minute, then you are screwed as you said. Then again, it depends on exactly where you're touring. If you don't know anyone or if there's nothing to do in that location, then you are basically stuck in the room. I do believe most hotel chains have gift cards now. You could conceivably accept those as a deposit of sorts even if you're hosting locally. Use the gift card to book your room so at least it's paid for for even if the client doesn't show.

 

[|2 /-\ | /|/]

Maybe use your terb handle to book and allow the ladies to blast you and ruin your creds if you fuck around on them would be good alternative if you don’t want to put deposit or are worried about privacy because of deposit or losing your deposit.

 

[Dirkpit]

I don’t need to explain to my significant other why I sent you an etransfer. If You solved that issue I would be okay with deposit. Only because of your reputation though. However, I have not met you as I am not a future appointment kinda guy anyway. If you had a short notice option, you’d be my first choice. I understand that you have other interests and why you operate that way though,

 

[Jenesis]

Women who ask for a deposit are invisible to me I just don't give a shit, that's not the simp answer everyone wants but it's the one I give.

I have an opinion you don't like it? get stuffed.

LJ

But I didn’t ask you for a deposit or if you will see girls who ask for one.

I asked what is an alternative to deposits. So if you won’t see anyone who asks for one, what can a girl ask for to ensure she is not getting fucked over on a 2 hr pre-booking.

If you have an opinion about that , great! But your opinion about women who ask for them was not needed because that is not the question at hand.

 

[Jenesis]

These are all great response. And so many that I can’t quote them all, but here are some of my general thoughts.

Gift cards - this is a good but tough one. It limits me or any SP to only using the money at the card location so while for me, it could be ok, others who actually need cash for rent, this could be problematic. I will admit though, I prefer cash. I don’t always shop at Amazon and pre-paid CCs can only used online. I have thought of PayPal. I have a discrete account and a main account. I could use the CC to put money on the discrete account and then transfer it to my main. I would have to look more into that. But then you lose money on transfer fees I think.

E-transfer is a bit of an issue as said because of the discretion factor. And I understand this because that would be my issue as well. If I had to return the deposit because I had an issue, how do I do that without giving my private info?

It seems overall that a $50 - $100 deposit is the acceptable number for a reputable SP and it seems asking for it for a pre-booking or a 2hr+ appointment Which I get. It is a deposit/cancelation fee when you think about it. So asking for more or even the full amount is a bit different. That is a pre-pay the session and definitely not what I am talking about.

References - I do those but cancelations and no shows can still happen. I use references for safety. To ensure the guy is real and a gentleman.

TERB handle booking - I don’t agree in trashing a guys name. I wouldn’t BCL a guy either for one cancelation. I would list him for a no show. I see those as different things, but there is private boards for BCLs so there would be no blasting on TERB about him.

CC - I have a merchant account that I can use and sometimes work with a pre-paid CC. It depends on the card. I may be able to look at that as a option a little more. But then the returning of the money becomes an issue again unless the money is returned by pre-paid CC as well.

Confirmations - this I already do. But guys can cancel after confirming. I have had it happen on pre-booked HH and appointments before. I keep a cancelation list so I am often able to fill the time. Happened in Peterborough just a couple of weeks ago. A pre-booking about a week in advance for a mid-morning appointment was canceled at the confirmation time just two hours before the appointment. Not the guys fault, shit came up and I had a guy on the cancelation list and he was able to fill it. It went from an hour to half hour appointment but it was still filled. But if it was a 2hr appointment? That is what made me think of this.

Only booking 2Hr+ with known clients. This is good but does limit some. I get quite a few request for multi hour. Or 1.5hrs which is basically the same in my mind.

I was hoping to not go down the deposit route. But then someone said, if a guy is willing, then look into it. And it was suggested that I can do it in a booking form with a digit contract that states my and his responsibilities regarding the deposit which makes me feel better about a lack of contract. I know it sounds silly, my hang up with the contract part but it is just how I grew up with my business for almost 30 years. Not that it would hold it court, nor need too but it would make me feel better.

Something to still ponder I guess. Usually those who booked multiple hours date, are pretty serious about their appointments so not a lot of cancellations happen I assume. I haven’t actually had one cancel yet but I have seen a few more cancellations on HHs and HRs then I’m use too being on tour now. So it has had me thinking.

I was just hoping the guys who are all against deposits may be able to think of something they would be willing to do to protect the SP as well. It seems though the general response at least from one of them is “fuck you lady” I’m only thinking of me. Which I am happy my screening usually already weeds those types out.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Cell phones uses a SIM ( subscriber identity module ) card to identify the subscriber, why not take CIM deposits.

 

[Brill]

A fifty dollar bill under a rock near the old oak tree in the park.

 

[HeavyNaturals]

If you want to book multiple hours I can respect sending a deposit ( if you have repeated and have a good rapport ) but to see a good provider and to have to send money up front is ridiculous. The battle is not with the men the ladies should be pissed at the other providers that are clearly stealing from men period
NEVER SEND A DEPOSIT GUYS NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU WANT TO SEE A LADY

 

[curr3n_c1000]

I don't think there is an alternative. If you have made it clear you make deposits, someone still contacts you and won't do it, they are not serious.

Part of selling in knowing how to bring a potential customer to the end goal.

Jordan Belfort explains it best. You have to pull them into a feeling of sureness.

 

[Jenesis]

If you want to book multiple hours I can respect sending a deposit ( if you have repeated and have a good rapport ) but to see a good provider and to have to send money up front is ridiculous. The battle is not with the men the ladies should be pissed at the other providers that are clearly stealing from men period
NEVER SEND A DEPOSIT GUYS NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU WANT TO SEE A LADY

It is both I think. Men who pull no shoes. Making it women ask for deposit and then scammer seeing an opportunity and cashing in on the “deposit” and making it a scam.

Both sides are to blame for good people not being able to connect. Same with a really nice man who I had to say no to because he was using a text app. Wasn’t fair to either of us.

 

[coolmanfever]

unless you are really high end and well reputable sp, then deposit may work. But I think it is hard to gain client base if you are not reputable and ask deposit. Also some guys have wives and SO at home, making e-transfer for deposit will increase risk of getting caught. Plus what if the client has covid like symptoms and cannot show up last min.? Are the sp's going to keep the deposit. There is really no perfect system. Cancellation is part of risk of doing business in this industry I guess.

I like the idea verify by terb.cc communication but there are million reasons that clients can cancel last min.

 

[explorerzip]

These are all great response. And so many that I can’t quote them all, but here are some of my general thoughts.

Gift cards - this is a good but tough one. It limits me or any SP to only using the money at the card location so while for me, it could be ok, others who actually need cash for rent, this could be problematic. I will admit though, I prefer cash. I don’t always shop at Amazon and pre-paid CCs can only used online. I have thought of PayPal. I have a discrete account and a main account. I could use the CC to put money on the discrete account and then transfer it to my main. I would have to look more into that. But then you lose money on transfer fees I think.

E-transfer is a bit of an issue as said because of the discretion factor. And I understand this because that would be my issue as well. If I had to return the deposit because I had an issue, how do I do that without giving my private info?

It seems overall that a $50 - $100 deposit is the acceptable number for a reputable SP and it seems asking for it for a pre-booking or a 2hr+ appointment Which I get. It is a deposit/cancelation fee when you think about it. So asking for more or even the full amount is a bit different. That is a pre-pay the session and definitely not what I am talking about.

References - I do those but cancelations and no shows can still happen. I use references for safety. To ensure the guy is real and a gentleman.

TERB handle booking - I don’t agree in trashing a guys name. I wouldn’t BCL a guy either for one cancelation. I would list him for a no show. I see those as different things, but there is private boards for BCLs so there would be no blasting on TERB about him.

CC - I have a merchant account that I can use and sometimes work with a pre-paid CC. It depends on the card. I may be able to look at that as a option a little more. But then the returning of the money becomes an issue again unless the money is returned by pre-paid CC as well.

Confirmations - this I already do. But guys can cancel after confirming. I have had it happen on pre-booked HH and appointments before. I keep a cancelation list so I am often able to fill the time. Happened in Peterborough just a couple of weeks ago. A pre-booking about a week in advance for a mid-morning appointment was canceled at the confirmation time just two hours before the appointment. Not the guys fault, shit came up and I had a guy on the cancelation list and he was able to fill it. It went from an hour to half hour appointment but it was still filled. But if it was a 2hr appointment? That is what made me think of this.

Only booking 2Hr+ with known clients. This is good but does limit some. I get quite a few request for multi hour. Or 1.5hrs which is basically the same in my mind.

I was hoping to not go down the deposit route. But then someone said, if a guy is willing, then look into it. And it was suggested that I can do it in a booking form with a digit contract that states my and his responsibilities regarding the deposit which makes me feel better about a lack of contract. I know it sounds silly, my hang up with the contract part but it is just how I grew up with my business for almost 30 years. Not that it would hold it court, nor need too but it would make me feel better.

Something to still ponder I guess. Usually those who booked multiple hours date, are pretty serious about their appointments so not a lot of cancellations happen I assume. I haven’t actually had one cancel yet but I have seen a few more cancellations on HHs and HRs then I’m use too being on tour now. So it has had me thinking.

I was just hoping the guys who are all against deposits may be able to think of something they would be willing to do to protect the SP as well. It seems though the general response at least from one of them is “fuck you lady” I’m only thinking of me. Which I am happy my screening usually already weeds those types out.

Thanks for trying to have an open discussion about this, but as usual there are always a few trolls who would never do deposits yet comment anyway and seem to take it personally. Thanks also for trying to see things from different angles especially fellow SP's. I'm amazed that people can still do that these days.

Gift cards - You could ask for President's Choice (which work at Loblaws, No Frills and Shoppers) or Walmart cards. These cards should be good alternatives because everyone needs things from Loblaws, Walmart or Shoppers. I am pretty sure that you can use prepaid Mastercard or Visa cards in store in addition to online. Obviously, it depends on the specific card. I think you're right though that you cannot return an e-gift card. I know you can sell physical cards, but don't think it works with the digital versions.

It's awesome that you're trying to accommodate different scenarios like returning a deposit if you need to cancel. On the other hand, you already recognize the challenges of doing so. There seems to be too many hurdles to make returning deposits worth your time and effort. There are obviously guys that are going to be upset with deposits anyway, so they are not your clients.

I think that a booking form is your only option to tell people that deposits are non-refundable. That should be on your website, ads and all correspondence too. It's obviously not a legal contract, but at least it serves as a reminder and gives the client multiple times to reconsider booking.

 

[Samranchoi]

These are all great response. And so many that I can’t quote them all, but here are some of my general thoughts.

Gift cards - this is a good but tough one. It limits me or any SP to only using the money at the card location so while for me, it could be ok, others who actually need cash for rent, this could be problematic. I will admit though, I prefer cash. I don’t always shop at Amazon and pre-paid CCs can only used online. I have thought of PayPal. I have a discrete account and a main account. I could use the CC to put money on the discrete account and then transfer it to my main. I would have to look more into that. But then you lose money on transfer fees I think.

E-transfer is a bit of an issue as said because of the discretion factor. And I understand this because that would be my issue as well. If I had to return the deposit because I had an issue, how do I do that without giving my private info?

It seems overall that a $50 - $100 deposit is the acceptable number for a reputable SP and it seems asking for it for a pre-booking or a 2hr+ appointment Which I get. It is a deposit/cancelation fee when you think about it. So asking for more or even the full amount is a bit different. That is a pre-pay the session and definitely not what I am talking about.

References - I do those but cancelations and no shows can still happen. I use references for safety. To ensure the guy is real and a gentleman.

TERB handle booking - I don’t agree in trashing a guys name. I wouldn’t BCL a guy either for one cancelation. I would list him for a no show. I see those as different things, but there is private boards for BCLs so there would be no blasting on TERB about him.

CC - I have a merchant account that I can use and sometimes work with a pre-paid CC. It depends on the card. I may be able to look at that as a option a little more. But then the returning of the money becomes an issue again unless the money is returned by pre-paid CC as well.

Confirmations - this I already do. But guys can cancel after confirming. I have had it happen on pre-booked HH and appointments before. I keep a cancelation list so I am often able to fill the time. Happened in Peterborough just a couple of weeks ago. A pre-booking about a week in advance for a mid-morning appointment was canceled at the confirmation time just two hours before the appointment. Not the guys fault, shit came up and I had a guy on the cancelation list and he was able to fill it. It went from an hour to half hour appointment but it was still filled. But if it was a 2hr appointment? That is what made me think of this.

Only booking 2Hr+ with known clients. This is good but does limit some. I get quite a few request for multi hour. Or 1.5hrs which is basically the same in my mind.

I was hoping to not go down the deposit route. But then someone said, if a guy is willing, then look into it. And it was suggested that I can do it in a booking form with a digit contract that states my and his responsibilities regarding the deposit which makes me feel better about a lack of contract. I know it sounds silly, my hang up with the contract part but it is just how I grew up with my business for almost 30 years. Not that it would hold it court, nor need too but it would make me feel better.

Something to still ponder I guess. Usually those who booked multiple hours date, are pretty serious about their appointments so not a lot of cancellations happen I assume. I haven’t actually had one cancel yet but I have seen a few more cancellations on HHs and HRs then I’m use too being on tour now. So it has had me thinking.

I was just hoping the guys who are all against deposits may be able to think of something they would be willing to do to protect the SP as well. It seems though the general response at least from one of them is “fuck you lady” I’m only thinking of me. Which I am happy my screening usually already weeds those types out.

Any guy who cannot commit to providing a $50 deposit to hold an appointment with a reputable provider that they want to see is just plain..........(you fill in the blanks). Your time is money and for the naysayers, who really cares. There are many men who provide deposits with no issues. You value yourself and time but there are many who just don’t give a $hit. Their opinion is absolutely worthless. If you do ask for deposits of whatever kind, you are making the conscious decision knowing how it can affect your business.

 

[Scholar]

I think the only way this would work would be with some sort of escrow service. Both sides of the transaction are seeking anonymity, and not being scammed or ripped off. Perhaps a smart contract with a cryptocurrency could be created to facilitate this need.

I think references are problematic as it requires other SPs to recall a given session with a given client. What's to stop any lying. They also prevent new people to the hobby from seeing escorts as the will have no track record.

Cheers

This idea of an escrow service might be a great idea. Just need to figure out how to make it anonymous so it might need to be set up and run by a lawyer so he can maintain everything behind confidentiality. Only question is who pays the fees to the lawyer. I'd think it would be the client as they are the ones benefitting.

The one part that always bothered me though is that the wasted time/lost money is always discussed from the SP's point of view. If I as a client travel 30+ minutes each way and pay for parking etc., why do I not get compensated for my lost time. I think if a pre-booking needs a deposit, the SP should match it. That way if the SP doesn't show up the client is compensated for their lost time as well. Fair is fair after all.

Plus, if done as an escrow service with a penalty to the SP for ghosting/double booking, I think a lot more people would be willing to put up a deposit or even pre-pay the entire amount. No more counterfeits being given to the girls, no more robberies from pimps/boyfriends as there would be no reason to bring any money to a meeting unless you like to give cash tips.

 

[explorerzip]

Just need to figure out how to make it anonymous so it might need to be set up and run by a lawyer so he can maintain everything behind confidentiality.

If both sides want anonymity then you can't involve a lawyer or third party.

 

[explorerzip]

I think the only way this would work would be with some sort of escrow service. Both sides of the transaction are seeking anonymity, and not being scammed or ripped off. Perhaps a smart contract with a cryptocurrency could be created to facilitate this need.

I think references are problematic as it requires other SPs to recall a given session with a given client. What's to stop any lying. They also prevent new people to the hobby from seeing escorts as the will have no track record.

Cheers

Lack of references don't prevent guys from seeing escorts. You just have to look for the girls that do not require references or go with an agency. Some agency girls do offer references too. You just have to ask.

 

[Valcazar]

Lack of references don't prevent guys from seeing escorts. You just have to look for the girls that do not require references or go with an agency. Some agency girls do offer references too. You just have to ask.

There is also a vicious circle there.
Someone who has no references can't visit anyone in order to get references.

 

[Valcazar]

These are all great response. And so many that I can’t quote them all, but here are some of my general thoughts.

Gift cards seem the most flexible in lots of ways, but they do have a serious set of limitations, like you say. At the same time, they are for the deposit. If they are in something general enough (like pre-paid CC) they probably can still be used effectively since they wouldn't be the main revenue source.

E-transfer seems right out.

I agree that the $50-$100 (or some other <50% of the full encounter) seems the reasonable range as a "cancellation and up front costs" fee.

Someone talked about an escrow service and that seems cool but I can't imagine how such a system would work that would have both anonymity and security.
I guess someone could build a system that involves both parties agreeing to an exchange and then both parties have to verify the other one showed in some way or both get refunded.
You could still have bad faith actors I'm sure but it would feel fairly balanced.

 

[Jenesis]

Gift cards seem the most flexible in lots of ways, but they do have a serious set of limitations, like you say. At the same time, they are for the deposit. If they are in something general enough (like pre-paid CC) they probably can still be used effectively since they wouldn't be the main revenue source.

It is a deposit but it goes to the fee of the session. If given an GC to anywhere, the cash value of the appointment had been reduced by that amount. Yes people always need stuff at some of these locations but not all the time and not as much as they need cash sometimes.
$250 cash is better then $200 cash and GC limited to somewhere.

 

[Valcazar]

It is a deposit but it goes to the fee of the session. If given an GC to anywhere, the cash value of the appointment had been reduced by that amount. Yes people always need stuff at some of these locations but not all the time and not as much as they need cash sometimes.
$250 cash is better then $200 cash and GC limited to somewhere.

Absolutely agree. All cash is better, just saying the tradeoff isn't quite as bad as it could be.