Alternative to deposits??? What are they?

[Jenesis]

So I don’t want this to turn into a “never give deposits” thread. That is not what this is about.

This is about asking you guys what the alternative should be if deposits shouldn’t be requested.

Many on this board know that I don’t request deposit because I feel they should only be given with a contract signed. This is what I am use to in business and it protects both parties. So I have never asked for one.

However, I am getting more calls for longer dates, prebookings for tours, etc.

If I have a request for a two hour date on an evening that I arrive in a city, that will be the only date I book. Meaning others will not be able to. If he cancels last minute or doesn’t show, I’m kinda screwed.

So what is the alternative to ensure that the client shows and doesn’t screw the whole schedule for the night?

There is a thread on here where a guy paid the deposit on a pre-booked appointment, canceled same day, and wanted to push his deposit to a rescheduled appointment. The escort said his deposit is forfeit. Is that not what a deposit is for? So that if you don’t show up, she is not totally out of costs? Yet others say she actually stole his money.

So what is there to do? How do you, as someone who is against deposits, suggest that an escort protect herself and her schedule/time, with pre-booked or longer booked appointments?

No fighting on this guys, let’s have an true open discussion and see if we can’t get somewhere on this topic.

 

[boomboom]

I understand the multiple hour tour idea. If 2hrs or more, I would suggest a booking fee of $50-100 depending on appt 90mins or more. in doing so this would extend the visit by 15-30 minutes. A higher booking fee for longer apprs. In true sense it really is a verbal or written contract. Mr A reaches out to Ms B to book some of her time. Once an agreed time, place & fee established, it is a contract.
Just my thoughts from years if doing purchasing contracts & bids. You are an established SP with a strong reputation, the person reaching out in many cases is an unknown. If a previous visitor, perhaps not required.
My $0.02

 

[mandrill]

Given the high no show rate, there are no alternatives to a deposit, except perhaps a recommendation from another, trusted escort. Without either or both of these, an escort is pretty much at the mercy of how the guy is feeling that day, or whether he is a legit client at all.

Most guys will say that giving a deposit creates a risk of the girl simply keeping the $ and double-booking a regular client and scamming the deposit-giver and that's true too. The counter-argument is that the girl is trying to build her brand and scamming guys is counter-productive. But that only gets you so far. There are enough girls out there who are NORMALLY highly reputable, but who can hit a "bad patch" - bills, drugs, thieving boyfriends, etc - that "I'm highly reputable" only gets you so far.

If I'm a girl, I'm only going to deal with guys who give deposits. If I'm a guy, I might give a nominal deposit of $50 or so, but shy away from anything higher.

 

[Brill]

I like the idea of deposits, it’s one way to build trust and put her at ease for a better session.
I can’t see an alternative way to stop no-shows.

 

[Jolly Mon]

Maybe I am just over cautious but I am less worried about losing the deposit than I am of the lack of anonymity that occurs when sending a deposit. I understand the need for screening but if I have to send a deposit or show ID I will have to move on. The only way I would send a deposit is to mail cash lol.

 

[lessjamie7]

So I don’t want this to turn into a “never give deposits” thread. That is not what this is about.

This is about asking you guys what the alternative should be if deposits shouldn’t be requested.

Many on this board know that I don’t request deposit because I feel they should only be given with a contract signed. This is what I am use to in business and it protects both parties. So I have never asked for one.

However, I am getting more calls for longer dates, prebookings for tours, etc.

If I have a request for a two hour date on an evening that I arrive in a city, that will be the only date I book. Meaning others will not be able to. If he cancels last minute or doesn’t show, I’m kinda screwed.

So what is the alternative to ensure that the client shows and doesn’t screw the whole schedule for the night?

There is a thread on here where a guy paid the deposit on a pre-booked appointment, canceled same day, and wanted to push his deposit to a rescheduled appointment. The escort said his deposit is forfeit. Is that not what a deposit is for? So that if you don’t show up, she is not totally out of costs? Yet others say she actually stole his money.

So what is there to do? How do you, as someone who is against deposits, suggest that an escort protect herself and her schedule/time, with precooked or longer booked appointments?

No fighting on this guys, let’s have an true open discussion and see if we can’t get somewhere on this topic.

I look at it this way, completely and totally not my problem to solve.

LJ

 

[GeeBee]

The only alternative I can really see is references. 2 references from other established and reputable providers will give some degree of assurance. But it still doesn't guarantee a client wont cancel or no-show. Pre-booking longer dates is a double edged sword as you suggest, if the client cancels more of your time is wasted.

In your experience Jenesis, is a client with 2 references less likely to cause you this kind of grief?

For the record I have no problem sending a deposit to a reputable provider such as yourself, as long as it can remain anonymous on my end and leave no paper trail. (No e-transfers, gift cards purchased with prepaid CC's are my preference) I understand your stance in opposition to deposits, but I do think a modest deposit shows good will on the part of the client and a commitment to keeping the scheduled booking. Just be up front on the terms of the deposit being non refundable unless the date is cancelled by a certain time or you are the one having to cancel.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

So I don’t want this to turn into a “never give deposits” thread. That is not what this is about.

This is about asking you guys what the alternative should be if deposits shouldn’t be requested.

BJ as a show of good faith. Trust's a two way street.

 

[Brill]

I look at it this way, completely and totally not my problem to solve.

LJ

No, but it’s a decision sexworkers are considering that affects you. It’s good that one is asking for our input even if she may have already decided.

 

[shrek71]

I think the only way this would work would be with some sort of escrow service. Both sides of the transaction are seeking anonymity, and not being scammed or ripped off. Perhaps a smart contract with a cryptocurrency could be created to facilitate this need.

I think references are problematic as it requires other SPs to recall a given session with a given client. What's to stop any lying. They also prevent new people to the hobby from seeing escorts as the will have no track record.

Cheers

 

[lessjamie7]

No, but it’s a decision sexworkers are considering that affects you. It’s good that one is asking for our input even if she may have already decided.

The request was for opinions. I posted mine.

What massive assumption have you made that has you thinking this issue affects me?

I never visit ladies asking for deposits.

I never have, I never will.

Nothing personal

Good day to you sir.

LJ

 

[Kracker]

When I book a girl for 2+ hours, it's always someone I've seen before.

What you MIGHT do is just have first visits be limited to an hour without a deposit - if the guy ghosts you you're out a lot less time.

You could probably reasonably say hey - if you want me to travel and book off a whole day for someone I don't know, I need a deposit.

If you want to just blow an hour and see if we click, no deposit - and after that, no deposit either 'cause I trust you won't screw around.

But for 2+ hours with a guy you've never met and don't know if he'll flake out? Seems reasonable to take a deposit.

 

[Kracker]

I understand the multiple hour tour idea. If 2hrs or more, I would suggest a booking fee of $50-100 depending on appt 90mins or more. in doing so this would extend the visit by 15-30 minutes. A higher booking fee for longer apprs. In true sense it really is a verbal or written contract. Mr A reaches out to Ms B to book some of her time. Once an agreed time, place & fee established, it is a contract.
Just my thoughts from years if doing purchasing contracts & bids. You are an established SP with a strong reputation, the person reaching out in many cases is an unknown. If a previous visitor, perhaps not required.
My $0.02

Missed this post, but yeah - this. No deposits for prior visitors or for short appointments. If not a prior customer and asking for a longer visit, deposit.

 

[Brill]

The request was for opinions. I posted mine.

What massive assumption have you made that has you thinking this issue affects me?

I never visit ladies asking for deposits.

I never have, I never will.

Nothing personal

Good day to you sir.

LJ

They are all affected by no-shows and I’m only assuming many sexworkers have considered it, including some you have seen.
No need to get hostile with me.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

It is a tough question. I don’t feel comfortable with deposits or references but I completely understand why SP’s request them.

In my opinion, No Shows are an unfortunately reality for a lot of businesses ranging from doctors to escorts. At some point I think you just kinda have to factor them in as a cost of doing business.

That being said, maybe some alternatives would include:
1. Restrict appointments of longer than 1 hour to repeat clients?
2. For appointments booked more than 24 hours in advance, ask for text confirmation by Noon on the day of the appointment or else you will not hold the time for the client?
3. Don’t give 2nd chances to guys who No Show?

I dunno…That’s all I can think of.

 

[andrew50000]

A 20% refundable deposit is reasonable for independents. Refundable if you don't show up, but not if the client does not, obviously.

 

[Samranchoi]

The request was for opinions. I posted mine.

What massive assumption have you made that has you thinking this issue affects me?

I never visit ladies asking for deposits.

I never have, I never will.

Nothing personal

Good day to you sir.

LJ

Ummmm, by your own admission you said you will never visit a woman that requests a deposit. So while you say this issue doesn’t affect you, it actually does because if a woman you may want to see requires a deposit, you will not. Your choice but one that was made because of the issue you think doesn’t affect you.

Question is, why did you even respond to Jenesis in the first place?

 

[lessjamie7]

Ummmm, by your own admission you said you will never visit a woman that requests a deposit. So while you say this issue doesn’t affect you, it actually does because if a woman you may want to see requires a deposit, you will not. Your choice but one that was made because of the issue you think doesn’t affect you.

Question is, why did you even respond to Jenesis in the first place?

Women who ask for a deposit are invisible to me I just don't give a shit, that's not the simp answer everyone wants but it's the one I give.

I have an opinion you don't like it? get stuffed.

LJ

 

[lessjamie7]

They are all affected by no-shows and I’m only assuming many sex workers have considered it, including some you have seen.
No need to get hostile with me.

That's not my problem, hence my response.

Later

LJ

 

[Samranchoi]

Women who ask for a deposit are invisible to me I just don't give a shit, that's not the simp answer everyone wants but it's the one I give.

I have an opinion you don't like it? get stuffed.

LJ

Ha ha. You make me laugh. You make yourself look stupid. I really don’t care about what you do or don’t do. I just thought it was humorous how you said something doesn’t affect it but in fact it does. Lol