Mixing vaccines is even BETTER for you????

Phil C. McNasty

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They looked at it and stand by their decision.
Nowhere do they say "This is 100% safe". As far as I know, no one has ever said that about anything, because it would be a silly thing to say.
Let me rephrase, its obviously not 100% safe, but the Canadian govt clearly said mix & matching vaccines is safe to do so, and they will continue to do so. While the WHO said the exact opposite, they do not feel its safe to mix & match until further studies have been conducted
 

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Let me rephrase, its obviously not 100% safe, but the Canadian govt clearly said mix & matching vaccines is safe to do so, and they will continue to do so. While the WHO said the exact opposite, they do not feel its safe to mix & match until further studies have been conducted
I asked "who" because you said experts had said it was 100% safe.
Glad you are backing off of that.

As for the rest, I see you didn't bother to actually watch the clip or to see the clarification WHO put out because people have been reporting this incorrectly.

WHO supports the Canadian mix and match approach.
 

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Thats not exactly what that spokeswoman for WHO said in the video.
Did you even watch it?? What did she say??
Did I even watch it?
I POSTED IT IN POST 53! (I even cued it up so it would go right to the part where she talks about it.)
It was after I posted it and pointed out it was being misrepresented that you insisted other experts were saying it was 100% safe - which I called you out on as nonsense.

She was talking about citizens deciding on their own to mix and match.

The WHO even released a clarifying statement: " At our Global press conference on COVID 19, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan explained that individuals should not decide for themselves, public health agencies can, based on available data. "
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Did I even watch it?
I POSTED IT IN POST 53! (I even cued it up so it would go right to the part where she talks about it.)
It was after I posted it and pointed out it was being misrepresented that you insisted other experts were saying it was 100% safe - which I called you out on as nonsense.

She was talking about citizens deciding on their own to mix and match
Bullshit! The WHO clearly said: "We need to wait" when it comes to mixing & matching.
They issued that statement which directly conflics with what the CDN government said, who said its perfectly okay to mix & match and there's no need to wait


“It’s a little bit of a dangerous trend where people are in a data-free, evidence-free zone.”

She went on to say that there’s a possibility that it will turn out to be a good approach, but because of the lack of data and science behind it, it’s too soon to say for certain.

“There are studies going on; we need to wait for that.”

The WHO even released a clarifying statement: " At our Global press conference on COVID 19, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan explained that individuals should not decide for themselves, public health agencies can, based on available data. "
Yeah, they issued that statement right after they were heavily criticized by multiple countries.

Face it buddy, the "experts" are divided on this
 
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Face it buddy, the "experts" are divided on this
"The Science" is only a thing when it supports a pro-vax narrative

Never mind the fact that hundreds of doctors and scientists have spoken out against said narrative (and usually are branded as "lunatics" by the terb crowd; lunatics who have been licensed to perform surgery in Canada for past decade lol)

There is no evidence its a good thing
Historically mixing meds has always been a bad thing
But they want that vax train to keep on truckin

Since I have nearly a 0% chance of even getting sick, much less dying of covid I am more than happy to sit back and wait
Unless you are 80+ I see no advantage to vaxxing
 

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... While the WHO said the exact opposite, they do not feel its safe to mix & match until further studies have been conducted
Did you bother looking in to the whole story or did you once again fall prey to headlines that suit your preconceptions?

 

Phil C. McNasty

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Has WHO said it is dangerous to mix and what the dangers are OR have they said they don’t know enough yet so I’m their opinion it is the unknown that is dangerous
That pretty much amounts to the same thing.

When the WHO says were not sure if its safe to mix & match multiple vaccines, and then they say its better to wait until more studies are done, you can safely conclude that there *could* be possible hidden dangers when mix & matching. Why else would they come out with that statement.

This directly conflicts with Health Canada btw, who said its safe to mix & match
 

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That pretty much amounts to the same thing.

When the WHO says were not sure if its safe to mix & match multiple vaccines, and then they say its better to wait until more studies are done, you can safely conclude that there *could* be possible hidden dangers when mix & matching. Why else would they come out with that statement.

This directly conflicts with Health Canada btw, who said its safe to mix & match
Meh a The is always hidden dangers in everything. People should not be taking one source of info anyway.
 

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Meh a The is always hidden dangers in everything. People should not be taking one source of info anyway.
We are good and the denier anti vaxxer are grasping at anything to derail the train. I guess they prefer the lockdowns.



 
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We are good and the denier anti vaxxer are grasping at anything to derail the train. I guess they prefer the lockdowns.



I’m not worried.

I’m a little pissed at the WHO to be honest. They could have spoke up months ago when this was first brought up, they would have said things in a much more accurate way.

And I am pissed at the news media for their click bait titles.
 

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I’m not worried.

I’m a little pissed at the WHO to be honest. They could have spoke up months ago when this was first brought up, they would have said things in a much more accurate way.

And I am pissed at the news media for their click bait titles.
Yes, it does throw out the wrong message. In the US where vaccines are abundant, some are getting their double dose of the MRNA and then going in and getting a J & J believing this is added protection. This is the issue I believe they are trying to combat. First off, the WHO would prefer these doses be sent to poor countries instead of people getting unnecessary 3rd doses, secondly, of course, the safety aspect of getting 3 shots in such a short time is unknown.
 

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Yes, it does throw out the wrong message. In the US where vaccines are abundant, some are getting their double dose of the MRNA and then going in and getting a J & J believing this is added protection. This is the issue I believe they are trying to combat. First off, the WHO would prefer these doses be sent to poor countries instead of people getting unnecessary 3rd doses, secondly, of course, the safety aspect of getting 3 shots in such a short time is unknown.
The agenda then is clear and explains why the WHO didn’t say anything earlier.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Yes, it does throw out the wrong message. In the US where vaccines are abundant, some are getting their double dose of the MRNA and then going in and getting a J & J believing this is added protection. This is the issue I believe they are trying to combat. First off, the WHO would prefer these doses be sent to poor countries instead of people getting unnecessary 3rd doses, secondly, of course, the safety aspect of getting 3 shots in such a short time is unknown
The WHO also insinuated just getting two doses might not be safe. Below is their exact statement.

And just so we're clear, I believe getting multiple doses is probably safe, but the WHO shouldnt be issuing statements like that, it just confuses the public and makes them more apprehensive towards taking the vaccine


In an online briefing, the WHO’s chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan suggested to reporters that mixing and matching is dangerous because there is not currently enough data to support it.

"It's a little bit of a dangerous trend here. We are in a data-free, evidence-free zone as far as mix and match," Swaminathan said in response to a question about booster shots.

She added that “it will be a chaotic situation in countries if citizens start deciding when and who will be taking a second, a third and a fourth dose."
 

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Has WHO said it is dangerous to mix and what the dangers are OR have they said they don’t know enough yet so I’m their opinion it is the unknown that is dangerous.
No. Go look at the media briefing itself - ignore the headlines and people like Phil who can't manage context.
The link I put up jumps right to the part the media went nuts with, but you might want to go back a few minutes to the first person's answer to the question as well.

Someone asked about booster shots. The WHO doesn't think Booster shots need to be worried about at this time, although obviously people should be researching it. The concern right now is that adequate first coverage is given world wide, and obsessing over booster shots in rich countries is going to slow that down. Then the bit that resulted in all the headlines happens. As an add on, Dr Swaminathan says how they are getting questions from people about going back and just mixing and matching extra shots for things. She thinks this is a bad idea because they don't have evidence. They have it for some with Astra Zeneca, but citizens shouldn't just decide for themselves to go and mix shots. It may be fine, but studies haven't been done yet.

So why did this come up now? Because people are talking about it now. There are people online saying "Oh, I got J&J and maybe Delta is bad so I should go and get Moderna as a booster".
This isn't about secret dangers of mix and matching or hiding info. This is about people in rich countries just deciding to go and get boosters of different shots because "maybe why not" and using up supplies that can be donated elsewhere for dubious gain.

Even now, though, this is getting reported as "The WHO issued a statement mixing is bad" which isn't what happened.
 
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