Most of the "manosphere" is very invested in a hierarchy they believe was better in a different time. (Whether it ever was is another question.) It's largely a reactionary movement so that is what you would expect.
Is Purity Culture the motivation/starting point/framework behind the manosphere/mgtow...others?
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Hehehe.... Bill Burr, huh?
Betcha if he ever makes any real $$$, some hardass prick or bitch Divorce Court lawyer is going to play that tape for the judge as they slowly dismember him and shake out every last nickel from his ass!
I like the Manosphere. However, I feel that many of the guys there do more harm than good. For instance, Roosh and others became "Useful idiots" Thanks to them; many PUA's got persecuted and banned from multiple platforms. Now being a PUA is associated with being misogynists..etc.
In terms of secular places, I feel some cities in Latin America and Europe. I talked to some guys from there, and it seems like they were primarily focused on getting laid instead of moral policing. Of course, there will be counterexamples. However, by and large, I feel many cultures are more "liberal." It seems that many of these redpill movements come where Christianity/Protestantism is at the strongest.
Became?
Roosh was a piece of shit from the beginning and PUA was always associated with misogyny.
(I am sure there are individual people who found some good in it without delving into the misogyny but it isn't an accident it is viewed that way.)
Possibly. "Redpill" definitely came out of the Anglosphere and the Anglosphere is heavily Protestant in origin.
Again though, I don't think this has anything in particular to do with the manosophere, though. Western culture (where it evolved) has a long history concerning Puritainism, sin, as well as misogyny and racism. You would expect to find all those things in a subculture that grows out of that.
It may be an interesting observation that within the "manosphere" different strains have coalesced with different mixes of these things. You would expect that and it could be an interesting study.
It wouldn't surprise me if what I think I see you saying is true - some strains have folded those elements into a core part of the ideology/identity while others view it as orthogonal.
In other words, some people just view things as "the laws are bad and need to be fixed" and others view it as "don't you realize the laws are bad because women are evil and conspiring against us".
For the first, even if they thought it might be true that there was a conspiracy, it is irrelevant to the work and for the second it is more important that you accept the premise because then you realize that fixing the laws won't be enough - the conspiracy must be destroyed.
Hey I think there is some value to blow jobs at a reasonable price.
Crackheads, proving that a dollar still goes a long way.
You have a solid understanding of what's going on. I'm trying to say that there are men like myself and others who don't have an outlet to pursue sexual freedom and freedom in general, hence why I started a new group. Apart from small hobbyist forums here and there or small non-political PUA groups, most groups online are heavily politicized and have a robust agenda. Certain more minor strains of MGTOW might advocate for hobbying. However, there are also many guys on the movement who are strange. For instance, some want to disconnect from society and want to live on a mountain..etc.
It seems, by and large, most of these groups online are sex-negative, including MGTOW. However, MGTOW is not explicitly this way. On the left, you have progressives on one side who are sex-negative and demonize men. While on the right and you have these manosphere groups. Most of them demonize women and want to "turn back the clock" to a place where men get married and spend the rest of their lives with their wives. Many of them would see this as a success.
I take this whole "era" as an opportunity for men to pursue their path of sexual liberation and freedom. I don't side with many of the manosphere because they have a very narrow view of success and want every man to follow that path. I don't think every man should get married and move to the suburbs. It is a very boring life.
