Family in London mowed down by driver

[Frankfooter]

I'd love to look through the 22 posts per day you're averaging but to be quicker, how about you answer yes or no.

Are Jewish civilians living in the West Bank legitimate targets for attacks?
Is Hamas or other Gaza factions launching unguided rockets in an way legitimate?
Has Hamas committed acts of terrorism in the past year?

Sadly you won't be able to answer with a simple yes or no because you have a pathological need to frame everything as Israel = bad so anyone who opposed Israel = good.

p.s. The UN man on the ground clearly stated that Israel was largely hitting military targets even though he did protest that civilians died.


p.p.s. Funny after all the threads on anti-semitism, Iran, the Middle East, and god knows what that you worked hard to turn into your Israel obsession.

I've answered those questions over and over again.

You need to answer:

Do Palestinians have a right to self defence?
You've agreed that all settlements are illegal, so why do keep defending them and the continual new settlements?
Is Israel allowed to target civilians?
Is Israel beholden to the Geneva Conventions?
Is Israel occupying Palestine?
Do Palestinians deserve basic human rights?
Is the blockade legal or illegal?
Is Israeli apartheid legal or illegal?
Is Israel beholden to honour UN resolutions?

Sadly all you can do is further that incredibly racist Muslim stereotype that all Muslims in Palestine and Israel are 'terrorists'.
The same image portrayed in Hollywood movies and the same Islamaphobia that likely inspired the killings in London.

 

[basketcase]

I've answered those questions over and over again.
...

What a surprise. Thanks for confirming that you still think Hamas are former terrorists, Israeli civilians are legitimate targets, and rockets are legitimate.

 

[basketcase]

...

Do Palestinians have a right to self defence?
You've agreed that all settlements are illegal, so why do keep defending them and the continual new settlements?
Is Israel allowed to target civilians?
Is Israel beholden to the Geneva Conventions?
Is Israel occupying Palestine?
Do Palestinians deserve basic human rights?
Is the blockade legal or illegal?
Is Israeli apartheid legal or illegal?
Is Israel beholden to honour UN resolutions?
...

But to be nice,

Yes, but not by targeting civilians or while hiding behind civilians. Those are both violations of international law.
No. You have no evidence they do. Of course when it comes to Israel you don't feel the need for evidence when you can show random tweets.
Yes. Do you think the Palestinian governments are too?
The West Bank is legally occupied. The peace deal with Jordan earmarks this land to Israeli control for an eventual Palestinian state but that requires the Palestinian leadership to agree to peace.
Obviously. You only seem to care when you can blame it on Israel though.
Yes. It is perfectly legal
There is no apartheid no matter how much you want to pretend.
Yes. To bad you don't bother reading those UNSC resolutions because they don't say what you think. All of them include the actions being part of a peace deal and not unilateral.

 

[Darts]

It's no fun being invaded, occupied and oppressed.

We need to look no further than our own indigenous people to see the effect of invasion, occupation and oppression. It ain't pretty.

 

[Frankfooter]

But to be nice,

]There is no apartheid no matter how much you want to pretend.

The only one pretending is you, as you defend apartheid, which is one step less evil than genocide in list of crimes against humanity.
Again, defending apartheid in a thread about Islamaphobic terrorism occurring in Canada puts you on the side of defending the type of racism that foments these kinds of attacks.

New all population Israeli-Palestinian survey: 45% of those living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea believe “apartheid” is an appropriate description of the regime

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

The Occupation of the West Bank and the Crime of Apartheid: Legal Opinion - Yesh Din

The conclusion of this legal opinion is that the crime against humanity of apartheid is being committed in the West Bank. The perpetrators are Israelis, and the victims are Palestinians. The crime is committed because the Israeli occupation is no “ordinary” occupation regime (or a regime of...

www.yesh-din.org

 

[frankcastle]

Saying it is a whataboutism is just a convenient way of side stepping a contemporary valid point.

Fine. Then yes. Egypt is also guilty. But that doesnr absolve Israel of its long list of human rights violations.

 

[frankcastle]

It's no fun being invaded, occupied and oppressed.

We need to look no further than our own indigenous people to see the effect of invasion, occupation and oppression. It ain't pretty.

Agreed. But some people are able to see the violent oppressor as the "good guy" in all this. Or they believe they are "less bad" and therefore justified in their inhumane actions. Its forcing a dichotomous pov on an issue that shouldnt be viewed that way.

 

[frankcastle]

Anyways...regardless of which side we are talking about neither side should get a pass for their actions.

 

[The Oracle]

Fine. Then yes. Egypt is also guilty. But that doesnr absolve Israel of its long list of human rights violations.

I would venture that as far as human right violations go the Jewish people have been on the wrong end of said violations more than any group in history.

 

[Frankfooter]

I would venture that as far as human right violations go the Jewish people have been on the wrong end of said violations more than any group in history.

You'd have to discuss indigenous peoples around the world and a few others, and I really don't see the value of bragging for the biggest tragedy.
And then you'd have to debate the endless wars on Muslim countries along with China right now for present issues.
You still might come out with bragging rights, whatever good that is.

Genocide of indigenous peoples - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Far better to acknowledge the past but not to use it as an excuse for 'doing what they did to us'.
Past injustices don't justify new injustices.

 

[basketcase]

The only...

So you refuse to answer my questions and are afraid to discuss the answers I gave you? What a surprise.

 

[basketcase]

... Or they believe they are "less bad" ...

Sorry but less bad is a thing and doesn't mean justify like you want to pretend.

 

[basketcase]

... and I really don't see the value of bragging for the biggest tragedy.
...

Finally something I agree with. Sadly you are happy to excuse groups trying to cause another tragedy for them.

But for some reason you don't spend anywhere near as much time condemning colonizer Canada.

 

[Frankfooter]

Finally something I agree with. Sadly you are happy to excuse groups trying to cause another tragedy for them.

But for some reason you don't spend anywhere near as much time condemning colonizer Canada.

Canada stopped colonization a long time ago, though the Catholic church ran schools into the '90's.
Our country is trying to get over our past while Israel is still actively trying colonize Palestine with settlers.
You can't see a difference?

 

[TeeJay]

It's no fun being invaded, occupied and oppressed.

We need to look no further than our own indigenous people to see the effect of invasion, occupation and oppression. It ain't pretty.

You do realize the Palestinians were the aggressors right?
All those countries surrounding Israel decided (foolishly) to conquer Israel
No Jew ever "invaded, occupied, or oppressed" anyone else

1948 Palestine war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Frankfooter]

You do realize the Palestinians were the aggressors right?
All those countries surrounding Israel decided (foolishly) to conquer Israel
No Jew ever "invaded, occupied, or oppressed" anyone else

Israel has already erased the country of Palestine and they now occupy it and rule it through apartheid.
To defend apartheid against Muslims in what should have been Palestine in a thread about terrorism on Muslims in Canada takes a special lack of moral awareness.

 

[TeeJay]

Israel has already erased the country of Palestine and they now occupy it and rule it through apartheid.
To defend apartheid against Muslims in what should have been Palestine in a thread about terrorism on Muslims in Canada takes a special lack of moral awareness.

Muslims have been the aggressors for centuries
Hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims have fled from them
Not just the Jews

 

[contact]

Israel has already erased the country of Palestine and they now occupy it and rule it through apartheid.
To defend apartheid against Muslims in what should have been Palestine in a thread about terrorism on Muslims in Canada takes a special lack of moral awareness.

you want to talk about "moral weakness" YOU defend support and make excuses for a designated terrorist group hamas whos goal is to destroy Israel and kill Jews

 

[frankcastle]

I would venture that as far as human right violations go the Jewish people have been on the wrong end of said violations more than any group in history.

That doesnt give them carte blanche for the last 70 years

 

[Frankfooter]

Muslims have been the aggressors for centuries
Hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims have fled from them
Not just the Jews

So is that supposed to make apartheid ok?