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JuanGoodman

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The royal family has quite a bit of land in and around Buckingham palace and Sandringham. They hunt on their land for meat, have fish farms, and grow their own fruits and vegetables.
They don't buy their food. They harvest, hunt, and grow their own.

Why can't we do the same? I don't see them relying on fossil fuels to feed themselves.
I didn't know that the royal family has to go out to dig up some potatoes before they have dinner. That kind of sucks.
 

Frankfooter

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Fossil fuel production will never be shut down by even the most green political
leaders. Norway and the UK will continue producing oil from the North Sea until
it is squeezed to the last drop. New Zealand notwithstanding Jacinda Arden's
bogus climate emergency declaration will not stop let alone reduce its share of
livestock methane emission. It is the politically correct thing for world's political
leaders to pledge zero emission and to blame climate change on the oil industry.
In reality they will attempt to restraint production and consumption of crude oil
and gas only up to certain point to win votes.

Fossil fuel production will be gradually shut down not by government
intervention but by geological constraints in the coming years. The good
news is carbon emission will go down as well.
That would lead to a thermal maximum, most likely.

Think this heat wave is bad?

 

poker

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Ok... where to start.... fossil fuels and slavery have nothing to do with one another. The revolutionary was in the states was not fought for fossil fuels.

Nor did fossil fuels have anything to do with the Enlightenment.

Yes... a storm is coming though. And every arm chair historian / economist will view it through their unique lens in life, only seeing what they want, unable to comprehend what they don't see.
 
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mandrill

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The royal family has quite a bit of land in and around Buckingham palace and Sandringham. They hunt on their land for meat, have fish farms, and grow their own fruits and vegetables.
They don't buy their food. They harvest, hunt, and grow their own.

Why can't we do the same? I don't see them relying on fossil fuels to feed themselves.
We would starve. Without contemporary fertilizers and agro-business, the world could not produce enough food.
 

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Ok... where to start.... fossil fuels and slavery have nothing to do with one another. The revolutionary was in the states was not fought for fossil fuels.
Slave labor if not full-fledged slavery was essential in many
parts of the world pre-fossil-fuel.
 

mandrill

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Slave labor if not full-fledged slavery was essential in many
parts of the world pre-fossil-fuel.
Okay. I'm calling you on that statement. Explain it.
 

oil&gas

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It was uneconomical to employ well-paid labors to perform
heavy-duty tasks like rowing a Roman Galley. Coal and
then crude oil enabled industrial mechanization. Slaves
and forced labors would not do well handling advanced
technology.
 
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mandrill

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It was uneconomical to employ well-paid labors to perform
heavy-duty tasks like rowing a Roman Galley. Coal and
then crude oil enabled industrial mechanization. Slaves
and forced labors would not do well handling advanced
technology.
Wrong on both counts.

Slaves can learn tasks as easily as non slaves. Just think of the Black slaves in the antebellum South who were tailors and shoemakers.

Galleys were rowed by free volunteers on occasion. And laborious, rote work like lumberjacking and coal mining were done by free employees.
 
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Economist who predicted last financial crisis warns of coming 'Greater Depression'


 

poker

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I think 20 of the last 2 recessions have been correctly predicted.
 

JohnLarue

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Fossil fuel production will be gradually shut down not by government
intervention but by geological constraints in the coming years. The good
news is carbon emission will go down as well.
Peak oil has been incorrectly predicted more than once
Geological constraints have been overcome by technological innovations throughout the industries history
I will concede the easy oil fields have been discovered & are generally in decline
But there are massive reserves in oil sands (Canada Venezuela)

The articles criticism of fracking is it has been fueled by low cost capital
Depletion rates for shale oil are much higher vs conventional oil & some analysis shows poor ROIC in the US

However if conventional oil supply continues to deplete the economics for shale oil improve due to higher prices

FF will still be the dominate energy source long after your kids are gone


Fossil fuel production will be gradually shut down not by government
That will not stop them from trying. Our own govt has worked very hard to imped our industry
Govts world wide are beholding to some very irrational environmental groups with explicit goals to shut down FF period
Their efforts will lead to a supply shock

The problem is the oil industry operates like a forge with cash flow investment acting as the bellows and the coal depletes just as the production depletes
Environmental lobbyists are working to starve the industry of investment capital & doing that right now

No investment capital, means no exploration, no drilling, no addition to reserves while reserves are constantly depleting
Meanwhile demand for FF continues to grow despite trillions spent on renewables
supply shock & an energy supply shock in an already inflationary environment. Yikes

Ready, shoot, aim
As you say Fossil fuel production will not be shut down by government , but they will sure make a mess of it
Without impacting Co2 levels to any meaningful extent.
 
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JohnLarue

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I am sure Bill Gates can hunt and grow enough food for him and
more than a handful of family members in his 66,000 sq ft mansion.
Now if only each and every one of the world's 7.5 billion people owns
a backyard big enough we won't need fossil fuel to survive.
it takes 5 acres of arable land for a person to be self sufficient
7.5 B people

approx. 17 million square kms on the planet are arable
247 acres per square kms

Do the math and there are already 4 X too many mouths to feed as self sufficient individuals
No economies of scale
 

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it takes 5 acres of arable land for a person to be self sufficient
7.5 B people

approx. 17 million square kms on the planet are arable
247 acres per square kms

Do the math and there are already 4 X too many mouths to feed as self sufficient individuals
No economies of scale
You are assuming Bill Gates is trying to feed 7.5 billion people...
And I would argue that damage fossil fuels have done to the environment... we are going to see some of those 7.5b drop dramatically.
 

Frankfooter

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You are assuming Bill Gates is trying to feed 7.5 billion people...
And I would argue that damage fossil fuels have done to the environment... we are going to see some of those 7.5b drop dramatically.
Not to mention the effects of extreme weather and general warming on crops.
 

Darts

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Isn't there plenty of oil under the Arctic?

Also, more people working from home means less need for gas.
 

nottyboi

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Adapt or die. But, the nice thing about living in the First World is that, when the shit hits the fan, we will just squeeze the Third World and let them die to preserve ourselves. If Justin can raid the third world vaccine supplies to protect his hide, I have all the confidence that he(and others) will let a billion or two starve in order to get themselves reelected. We're fireproof, boys and girls.
Raided the 3rd world vaccine supply? HAHA that is such utter rubbish. What Canada did was no different then EVERY nation that put its own people first. Meanwhile the Right (yes you guys) were whining like bitches about vaccine supplies. Shameless.
 

nottyboi

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Which raises what should be the number one question of our age: can we feed 7.5 billion without using fossil fuels?
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It really depends by when. The energy transiton will take a long time. But this article does not give LNG enough credit. The world has massive amounts of LNG and it will significanly replace oil in many areas.
 

JohnLarue

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You are assuming Bill Gates is trying to feed 7.5 billion people...
Actually I was responding to

Now if only each and every one of the world's 7.5 billion people owns
a backyard big enough we won't need fossil fuel to survive.
So no you are the one assuming

And I would argue that damage fossil fuels have done to the environment... we are going to see some of those 7.5b drop dramatically.

Oil spills will not cause 7.5 billion to drop dramatically
Co2 @ going from 300 to 400 parts per million is not going to do much of anything
Absorption is logarithmic as a function of concentration (Beer-lambert Law)
& absorption is saturated @ the all important 15 micrometer wavelength

disease, access to clean drinking water & possible food scarcity are what the focus should be with 7.5 B people
Food shortage will defiantly cause population reduction if fossil fuel are shut down in whole or any significant quantity
 
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