Family in London mowed down by driver

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Based on my research i cant support either side. You clearly have a side good for you.
Not good but less bad. The world I live in is grey and there are always different shades. Looking at a all sides of a complex situation is not the same as concluding everything is equal.
 

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He loves his soapbox. He even said that Islamic terrorism is no big deal because more people in Canada are killed bees every year. Go figure.
That is a fact. If I were in a different part of the world it might be otherwise but Canada doesn't have an issue with Islamic terrorism. We do have an issue with people feeling entitled to share their racism without consequence though.
 
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Done and done. BTW. When adults talk about reading, we mean books by academics, not tweets and tiktok.
I'm glad you've read the recent reports by HRW, B'tselem and Yesh Din.
You must agree that apartheid is leading to Islamaphobia.
 

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I saw this Jeff Bennett interviewed on TV. He's a real wacko. He said some people told him at the door they like him because he looks like them. So, his conclusion is that London is a racist city.

"On Tuesday, a former PC Party candidate also spoke up about the racism he noticed when he knocked on doors in London West in 2014.

"These people who'd never met me saw nothing special in me. They were happy only that my name was English and my skin was white," said Jeff Bennett in a Facebook post."
‘A racist city that pretends it isn’t’: London, Ont. attack didn’t happen in vacuum, residents say (msn.com)
 

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It just breaks my heart when I learn more about the innocent lives lost to violence.

By all accounts, this was a remarkable family. The mother, especially, was very accomplished.

Same with Reese Fallon, Julianna Kozis, Jane Creba and all the others. A loss to our province and country. May they all rest in peace.
 

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Not good but less bad. The world I live in is grey and there are always different shades. Looking at a all sides of a complex situation is not the same as concluding everything is equal.
The lesser of 2 evils is still evil. Which is why i wont pick a side.

I never said they were equally bad or equally good. Both sides have blood on thwir hands.

I said "good for you" meaning i am happy for you. I did not mean to imply one side was good. If that was not clear i apologize.
 

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The lesser of 2 evils is still evil. Which is why i wont pick a side.
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Living in a world where there are nasty things all around us, I feel choosing the lesser evil is better than paralysis. It's sort of like people's views on the 2016 Presidential election where they didn't like Hillary but liked Trump less. If there are two wrongs and one is worse than the other, the more evil one gets more of my criticism.


On a slightly different tangent, It is pretty transparent that plenty of criticism doesn't come from a place of wanting positive change but rather looking for an excuse to promote hatred (and yes, this does happen from people on all sides).
 

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The lesser of 2 evils is still evil. Which is why i wont pick a side.
You always choose the lesser of two evils unless you have more choices. If you have three choices, you choose the lesser of the three evils.
 

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You always choose the lesser of two evils unless you have more choices. If you have three choices, you choose the lesser of the three evils.
Right so im saying they need to create a 3rd option.... get a mediator

But as dudes on a forum we can opt to not take a side and theres zero consequences.
 
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Living in a world where there are nasty things all around us, I feel choosing the lesser evil is better than paralysis. It's sort of like people's views on the 2016 Presidential election where they didn't like Hillary but liked Trump less. If there are two wrongs and one is worse than the other, the more evil one gets more of my criticism.


On a slightly different tangent, It is pretty transparent that plenty of criticism doesn't come from a place of wanting positive change but rather looking for an excuse to promote hatred (and yes, this does happen from people on all sides).
Theres a fundental difference unlike american voters.... our choicr as people chatting on a forum makes no difference. So why are people getting so bent out of shape trying to pick the winning/correct/righteous/least evil side.
 

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Theres a fundental difference unlike american voters.... our choicr as people chatting on a forum makes no difference. So why are people getting so bent out of shape trying to pick the winning/correct/righteous/least evil side.
So back neutral third parties instead of one side.
Like Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem or other legit and respected human rights organizations.

You have a better plan, at least if you can back independent, unbiased reports they will give you firm ground for actions later.
 

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It is amazing how far this thread has derailed lol

So without any evidence released by police we have no idea if driver was racist or not

Instead we are seeing debates about random tangents like Hamas etc

Hello Mods anyone home?
 

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It is amazing how far this thread has derailed lol

So without any evidence released by police we have no idea if driver was racist or not

Instead we are seeing debates about random tangents like Hamas etc

Hello Mods anyone home?
We have the statements of the police that they believe it to be an Islamaphobic attack and that's backed up by testimony by the cabbie that called the cops on him.
What we really have is zero reason to doubt that it was based on race.
 

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Right so im saying they need to create a 3rd option.... get a mediator

But as dudes on a forum we can opt to not take a side and theres zero consequences.
But you are still choosing the lesser evil. For you, not contributing to the rhetoric because it serves no good purpose is the lesser evil.
(I happen to agree. I am just opposed to the "I refuse to choose a lesser evil" framing.)
 

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We have the statements of the police that they believe it to be an Islamaphobic attack and that's backed up by testimony by the cabbie that called the cops on him.
What we really have is zero reason to doubt that it was based on race.
What statement? There is not a single official press release?

All we see are the usual buffoons mugging for the cameras making this political (on both sides)

The only "evidence" I see online is a hearsay argument that dude had mental problems, that the taxi driver said he was laughing and chanting when arrested, and that he worked on an egg farm.

None of which in any way points to a racial motivation (if you have any source beyond parrots by all means post it up)

 
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What statement? There is not a single official press release?

All we see are the usual buffoons mugging for the cameras making this political (on both sides)

The only "evidence" I see online is a hearsay argument that dude had mental problems, that the taxi driver said he was laughing and chanting when arrested, and that he worked on an egg farm.

None of which in any way points to a racial motivation (if you have any source beyond parrots by all means post it up)

Did you read the article you linked to?
The police say they have evidence it was racially motivated.
Are you accusing the police of lying?
He's currently in a cell at the Elgin Middlesex Detention Centre, charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder after what police are calling a hate-motivated, anti-Muslim crime.
 

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Theres a fundental difference unlike american voters.... our choicr as people chatting on a forum makes no difference. So why are people getting so bent out of shape trying to pick the winning/correct/righteous/least evil side.
Because less evil is less evil than more evil?
 
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