Women do not make it very easy for men when it comes to dating.

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And you blame women as a population for that?

Yes, you're right, people can have bad manners. I've been ghosted by my boss, health care workers, friends, acquaintances, even family members. People can be rude; it's not cool, but it happens.

Yet you seem to think it's only a problem when women does it to men, in the context of wanting to pick them up and have sex with them.
I think ghosting is a shitty thing to do no matter who does it and who they do it to. The behavior isn't exclusive to women and dating.

See, if a health care worker or boss ghosts you it is universally regarded as unprofessional & rude - everyone can agree that's out of line, and there should be accountability. If your dad says he'll take you to the movies and then flakes on you without explanation we would all agree that he's a bad father.

However, when a woman does it to a man in a dating situation, women seem to take the attitude that it's just some perfectly acceptable thing women do. If for some reason a woman has second thoughts about a date, that it's fine & dandy for her to just not show up and then never communicate with the guy again. All good. Talk about a double standard.

I have two kids that I care for and raise (I'm not their dad but I am their guardian). The younger is now an early teens girl. She's being taught by social media, media, and her friends that the best way to deal with an uncomfortable situation with a boy is to simply "ignore the problem and it will go away", rather than address it. That both saddens and scares the hell out of me. Fear of even minor confrontation is not a success trait.

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I think ghosting is a shitty thing to do no matter who does it and who they do it to. The behavior isn't exclusive to women and dating.

See, if a health care worker or boss ghosts you it is universally regarded as unprofessional & rude - everyone can agree that's out of line, and there should be accountability. If your dad says he'll take you to the movies and then flakes on you without explanation we would all agree that he's a bad father.

However, when a woman does it to a man in a dating situation, women seem to take the attitude that it's just some perfectly acceptable thing women do. If for some reason a woman has second thoughts about a date, that it's fine & dandy for her to just not show up and then never communicate with the guy again. All good. Talk about a double standard.

I have two kids that I care for and raise (I'm not their dad but I am their guardian). The younger is now an early teens girl. She's being taught by social media, media, and her friends that the best way to deal with an uncomfortable situation with a boy is to simply "ignore the problem and it will go away", rather than address it. That both saddens and scares the hell out of me. Fear of even minor confrontation is not a success trait.

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Aren’t guys the originators of “hit it and quit it”.

The point is, it is ok for men to ghost. They do it all the time. After they got laid or figured out they are not getting laid. It is considered normal and even passes as acceptable because well... guys are just being guys.


But when a woman does it, attitude or not, it is wrong and all women get called out for it.

It is not a double standard. It is women ghosting the guy before he ghosted her after using her and now he is butt hurt about it.

Both men and women do it. Just some times women win because they do it before the guys do and sometimes guys win because they do after getting what they wanted which is a wet dick.
 
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The point is, it is ok for men to ghost.
It's better to say something than ghost although if a dating relationship has just begun but it seems acceptible to just say your goodbyes and never contact the person gain. I mean first date is not too serious. I mean if they are a stranger it's just so much easier to end the date and never contact again. I mean that is why at the end of a first date they say you shouldn't make plans that night. Gives you an out.
If it's a one night stand, don't go about pretending there will be another date if you have no plans to, just leave.
If you make plans than be decent and cancel them.

I don't think too many people think it's OK for a dude to do a one night stand and then make plans and raise expectations only to disappear. That is extra cunty with a side order of bastard.

 
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It's better to say something than ghost although if a dating relationship has just begun but it seems acceptible to just say your goodbyes and never contact the person gain. I mean first date is not too serious. I mean if they are a stranger it's just so much easier to end the date and never contact again. I mean that is why at the end of a first date they say you shouldn't make plans that night. Gives you an out.
If it's a one night stand, don't go about pretending there will be another date if you have no plans to, just leave.
If you make plans than be decent and cancel them.

I don't think too many people think it's OK for a dude to do a one night stand and then make plans and raise expectations only to disappear. That is extra cunty with a side order of bastard.
I agree it is not right to ghost but trust me, I don’t have to be in the locker room to know guys are giving each other high fives every time a guy gets it and leaves. There is no one saying - “you know Micheal, you probably shouldn’t have ghosted her like that”. LOL.

Women have accepted it as normal behaviour as well. Which is why so many bail before hand.

Woman seems to get the shit more for ghosting then men. In my opinion.


Both sides ghost. It should be said about men or women but people in general.
 
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Toronto specifically and Ontario generally is probably one of the worst, if not the worst place in the world to date (or attempt to date) women. Most (not all) women in Toronto are either lesbians, feminist man haters, pretentious stuck up snobs, mentally ill (bpd, anxiety, self- esteem, body issues, depression, anxiety etc), materialistic gold diggers or self deluded and entitled. It's social media, girls follow these influencers like Bella Hadid and Kendall Jenner and have completely unrealistic expectations when it comes to meeting the opposite sex. Every guy has to be a Chris Hemsworth.

My advice is to save your shekels and go overseas to date. Not all women in the world are like what you will find dating in Toronto. The few good quality, well adjusted ones that are here are taken and in serious relationships by the time they're in University or starting their careers.

Start in Mexico and move south to Argentina and up the coast of Brazil to Trinidad. Then, Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Some of the hottest women I've met in TO have been from Serbia and Macedonia. Poland and Kaliningrad too. Russia is good but beware there are many gold diggers and the women don't age well - think babushka. Then head east through the stans to Asia, and the islands of the pacific (Japan & the Philippines) Forget South Korea (too homogeneous and materialistic) and Australia/ New Zealand (more cold Anglo women). Then, when your feeling adventurous head to the African continent, it really has some beautiful, traditional women. Namibia, Kenya, Somalia, Morocco and Tanzania. Women on this continent would love to meet a man like you and you will have value to them. Word of advice though, you can't bring her to Toronto to live - you will have to date her there. If she moves here she will become corrupted and she will lose all the attributes of why you dated her in the first place. I'm not going to go there about personality changes but think diet and appearance. In her home country she was lithe and slim and had great skin but now she's here she has developed a taste for McDonalds, Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Plus, before she used to walk or bike everywhere and now she's driving. Most of these girls didn't have to go to the gym because they exercised naturally in their daily routine. But now she's sitting down all day at her computer in her cubicle snacking on doritos. Before you know it she's not that spinner that attracted you in the first place and when you want to end it all her "girlfriends" here have told her "oh you can you leave him and get 50%, you just have to prove a conjugal relationship". " You don't need him anyway, here women are strong, dominant, independent feminists".

I'm convinced that the main reason hobbying is so large in Toronto is because of the dating scene (or lack of) here combined with a lot of these incel/mgtow/beta/soy losers who are not dating material and just lack confidence when it comes to the opposite sex. Men are not entirely blameless.



Good luck and remember you have value and your time and patience will be respected. Just not by the women in the dating pool here.

Now, let the flaming begin 😡

Cheers
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Reprint from another board, on topic:

Q: OK, this is the thing. I'm too old for clubbing, in any decent amount of light. I don't want to have to resort to the ice cream aisle. I'm tired of reading about other guys having sex. Where should I go, to find various types of civvie women that might find any of a number of us pathetic guys at least worthy of coffee? - Yu, Shanghai

A: Yu, a man's best friend in choosing, rather than being chosen, is lack of visible competition. Women are often interested in the best man who's there, rather than the best man who there is.

If you're looking for a standard '5', in any of a number of different shapes, sizes, and age groups, you could get tickets for one of those local women's talk shows; every station has a couple of them, The View, with different hostesses. You're going to be the only guy in the audience, so that automatically makes you the best looking guy there, if only for a little while, until other guys start doing it, too.

If you want sleazy in an attractive way, try to get tickets for one of those lowbrow talk shows, in the Jerry Springer vein, with the paternity suits, or the plot of a MILF smut clip. A lot of guys are already working that field, so wear a clean baseball cap, and tuck in the mullet, it's not the 90's, anymore.

If you're looking for someone a little more refined, try Sunday afternoon around 2:00 PM at the ROM, or the Natural History Museum closest to you. You'll find the younger single moms in the dinosaurs section, or near the mummies, or cave man dioramas. You'll know she's single, because if she wasn't, she would be making sandwiches and bringing beers to the guys watching the game. If you just want a quick fling with a brainy single, go to the armour section, but be careful; the permafrown crowd congregates there, too. How to spot them is another lesson.

If you wanted to have a few drinks with some of the women who don't go to bars to drink with men they don't know, it might be a good investment to take a Learning Annex wine appreciation course, on a Friday. If you don't meet anyone you like, take it again; most people don't take that course twice, unless they want a clean slate.
 
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Torono specifically and Ontario generally is probably one of the worst, if not the worst place in the world to date (or attempt to date) women. Most (not all) women in Toronto are either lesbians, feminist man haters, pretentious stuck up snobs, mentally ill (bpd, anxiety, self- esteem, body issues, depression, anxiety etc), materialistic gold diggers or self deluded and entitled. It's social media, girls follow these influencers like Bella Hadid and Kendall Jenner and have completely unrealistic expectations when it comes to meeting the opposite sex. Every guy has to be a Chris Hemsworth.

My advice is to save your Shekels and go overseas to date. Not all women in the world are like what you will find dating in Toronto. The few good quality, well adjusted ones that are here are taken and in serious relationships by the time they're in University or starting their careers.

Start in Mexico and move south to Argentina and up the coast of Brazil to Trinidad. Then, Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Some of the hottest women I've met in TO have been from Serbia and Macedonia. Russia is good too but beware there are many gold diggers there too and the women don't age well - think babushka. Then head east through the stans to Asia, and the islands of the pacific (Japan & the Philippines) Forget South Korea (too homogeneous and materialistic) and Australia/ New Zealand (more cold Anglo women). Then, when your feeling adventurous head to the African continent, it really has some beautiful, traditional women. Namibia, Kenya, Somalia, Morocco and Tanzania. Women on this continent would love to meet a man like you and you will have value to them. Word of advice though, you can't bring her to Toronto to live - you will have to date her there. If she moves here she will become corrupted and she will lose all the attributes of why you dated her in the first place. I'm not going to go there about personality changes but think diet and appearance.In her home country she was lithe and slim and had great skin but now she's here she has developed a taste for McDonalds, Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Plus, before she used to walk or bike everywhere and now she's driving). Most of these girls didn't have to go to the gym because they exercised naturally in their daily routine. But now she's sitting down all day at her computer in her cubicle snacking on doritos). Before you know it she's not that spinner that attracted you in the first place and when you want to end it all her "girlfriends" here have told her "oh you can you leave him and get 50%, you just have to prove a conjugal relationship". " You don't need him anyway, here women are strong, dominant, independent feminists".

I'm convinced that the main reason hobbying is so large in Toronto is because of the dating (or lack of) here combined with a lot of these incel/mgtow/beta/soy losers who are not dating material and just lack confidence when it comes to the opposite sex. Men are not entirely blameless.



Good luck and remember you have value and your time and patience will be respected. Just not by the women in the dating pool here.

Now, let the flaming begin 😡

Cheers
BB
Later. I'm fucking exhausted by the itinerary. Think I'll have a nap.
 
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I agree it is not right to ghost but trust me, I don’t have to be in the locker room to know guys are giving each other high fives every time a guy gets it and leaves. There is no one saying - “you know Micheal, you probably shouldn’t have ghosted her like that”. LOL.

Women have accepted it as normal behaviour as well. Which is why so many bail before hand.

Woman seems to get the shit more for ghosting then men. In my opinion.


Both sides ghost. It should be said about men or women but people in general.
Nope. Not equal.

The locker room thing? I've never seen that happen (outside of movies and TV), although I'm sure it does. That's probably just a function of my friends being high-quality well-parented men.

If my late teen nephew came home bragging that that he'd banged a classmate and then didn't talk to her ever again I'd be tempted to beat the living shit out of him for not being the gentleman that I raised him to be. At a minimum there would be an unpleasant conversation and a month or two without a car just to make my point.

On the other hand, my niece is being taught in school, as part of the curriculum, that dropping people like a hot rock is an acceptable form of expression. In school!

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I got a big kick out of this. With an attitude like this guy, it is amazing it takes more than two weeks for a girl to find a guy that treats her a person instead of property. The theory, ignore the woman so she never thinks she has a real relationship. Ignore her, stand her up - spend as little time as possible. If you are going out - you drive and leave her bus tickets.

How desperate and pathetic must a woman be to grovel after a man with this attitude ?? When the woman leaves the attitude is so what - you never had a relationship anyways.
 

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Torono specifically and Ontario generally is probably one of the worst, if not the worst place in the world to date (or attempt to date) women. Most (not all) women in Toronto are either lesbians, feminist man haters, pretentious stuck up snobs, mentally ill (bpd, anxiety, self- esteem, body issues, depression, anxiety etc), materialistic gold diggers or self deluded and entitled. It's social media, girls follow these influencers like Bella Hadid and Kendall Jenner and have completely unrealistic expectations when it comes to meeting the opposite sex. Every guy has to be a Chris Hemsworth.

My advice is to save your Shekels and go overseas to date. Not all women in the world are like what you will find dating in Toronto. The few good quality, well adjusted ones that are here are taken and in serious relationships by the time they're in University or starting their careers.

Start in Mexico and move south to Argentina and up the coast of Brazil to Trinidad. Then, Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Some of the hottest women I've met in TO have been from Serbia and Macedonia. Russia is good too but beware there are many gold diggers there too and the women don't age well - think babushka. Then head east through the stans to Asia, and the islands of the pacific (Japan & the Philippines) Forget South Korea (too homogeneous and materialistic) and Australia/ New Zealand (more cold Anglo women). Then, when your feeling adventurous head to the African continent, it really has some beautiful, traditional women. Namibia, Kenya, Somalia, Morocco and Tanzania. Women on this continent would love to meet a man like you and you will have value to them. Word of advice though, you can't bring her to Toronto to live - you will have to date her there. If she moves here she will become corrupted and she will lose all the attributes of why you dated her in the first place. I'm not going to go there about personality changes but think diet and appearance.In her home country she was lithe and slim and had great skin but now she's here she has developed a taste for McDonalds, Tim Hortons and Starbucks. Plus, before she used to walk or bike everywhere and now she's driving). Most of these girls didn't have to go to the gym because they exercised naturally in their daily routine. But now she's sitting down all day at her computer in her cubicle snacking on doritos). Before you know it she's not that spinner that attracted you in the first place and when you want to end it all her "girlfriends" here have told her "oh you can you leave him and get 50%, you just have to prove a conjugal relationship". " You don't need him anyway, here women are strong, dominant, independent feminists".

I'm convinced that the main reason hobbying is so large in Toronto is because of the dating (or lack of) here combined with a lot of these incel/mgtow/beta/soy losers who are not dating material and just lack confidence when it comes to the opposite sex. Men are not entirely blameless.



Good luck and remember you have value and your time and patience will be respected. Just not by the women in the dating pool here.

Now, let the flaming begin 😡

Cheers
BB
Pretty much every country you mentioned is a 3rd world,poor ass country. They will all see dollar signs when you tell them you are Canadian.
 
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I have had dates not show up. I immediately assumed they weren't interested and never contacted them again. Here's the thing though, I've had a few women come up to me after, asking me why I never contacted them again. Some were confused that I would assume they weren't interested just because they didn't show up. Some of these girls even ignored my messages, again making me think they weren't interested.

Whenever this happened, I wasn't sure what to do and I just decided it was better to not pursue it any further. Unfortunately, there isn't anyone I can talk to about this, so I just accept that people's behaviour is confusing sometimes.
 

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Pretty much every country you mentioned is a 3rd world,poor ass country. They will all see dollar signs when you tell them you are Canadian.
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If they were independent like we are here, they would have the option to be choosy as well.

That is the problem. We are able to choose and guys are pissed we don’t choose them..

I personally don’t choose anyone period. My relationship days are done thankfully, but even for that, I say no to a guy and I am bitch. It has nothing to do with you, and everything to do with not wanting a relationship at all. And sex is only paid. But some men can’t deal with that.
 
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She's being taught by social media, media, and her friends that the best way to deal with an uncomfortable situation with a boy is to simply "ignore the problem and it will go away", rather than address it. That both saddens and scares the hell out of me. Fear of even minor confrontation is not a success trait.

KK
I know plenty of women over 60 who think like the red text above. Was there back then, it is here now , and will be tomorrow.
 

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I think ghosting is a shitty thing to do no matter who does it and who they do it to. The behavior isn't exclusive to women and dating.

However, when a woman does it to a man in a dating situation, women seem to take the attitude that it's just some perfectly acceptable thing women do. If for some reason a woman has second thoughts about a date, that it's fine & dandy for her to just not show up and then never communicate with the guy again. All good. Talk about a double standard.

I have two kids that I care for and raise (I'm not their dad but I am their guardian). The younger is now an early teens girl. She's being taught by social media, media, and her friends that the best way to deal with an uncomfortable situation with a boy is to simply "ignore the problem and it will go away", rather than address it. That both saddens and scares the hell out of me. Fear of even minor confrontation is not a success trait.
And sometimes it is the right thing to do.
Like everything else in the world, you need to assess the situation and figure it out.

Ghosting is often shitty behavior.
Boundaries are not.
If the only way to get people to respect your boundaries is to cut them off then it sucks but it needs to be done.

None of this is new.
 
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Both men and women are attracted to the physical first.
I agree but I believe that its a much bigger factor for men(typically we dont consider the resources of women as important. beauty, fitness, youth for the most part indicates fertility), where as women consider other factors after the physical(resources are important since having children requires having resources).
 

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I agree but I believe that its a much bigger factor for men(typically we dont consider the resources of women as important. beauty, fitness, youth for the most part indicates fertility), where as women consider other factors after the physical(resources are important since having children requires having resources).
And as women got more independent, the weight of those other factors went down because they become less important to worry about.
But it has always been a mix of factors for everybody and the differences mostly exaggerated.
 
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