Crazy footage of Hamas rocket attack on Tel Aviv

[basketcase]

Or the occupation.
Why not start with the real instigation.

Pretty hard to make peace when one Palestinian government keeps walking away from offers and the other refuses to even engage in peace talks.

 

[basketcase]

Yes we have to condemn the Hamas actions. Target those sources of the rockets. Israel knows exactly where they are being fired from....

Israel does. Sadly Hamas keeps firing them from deep within the civilian population which make it hard for Israel to hit the rocket teams without massive civilian casualties. Instead they warn civilians and hit the Hamas infrastructure. It is also undeniable that Hamas does hide behind civilians while attacking Israeli civilians; ther are plenty of documented cases from the last war and they were so brazen as to hold their press conferences at the HQ under Gaza's main hospital.

The problem is the same. Hamas fires rockets towards Israeli cities while hiding among civilians so the only response Israel could have without putting Palestinian civilians at risk is to let Hamas continue attacking Israeli civilians.

And just a reminder that there were no bombs falling in Gaza until Hamas started firing at Jerusalem.

 

[basketcase]

We certainly need a lot more than talking...

As you post using Israeli technology and take vaccines tested in Israel.

 

[basketcase]

I agree that Israel is not targeting hospitals for no reason.
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Do you have any evidence Israel is actually targeting hospitals as opposed to damaging them in attacks on other targets? (and funny because I don't recall you condemning Assad or Putin for repeated bombings of hospitals in Rebel held Aleppo).


p.s. the sources you quoted in the other thread says Israel hit a building that had a Red Crescent office and "close to" a medical clinic. Just another case where you claim Israel is trying to kill civilians.

 

[toguy5252]

I agree that Israel is not targeting hospitals for no reason.
Its targeting them intentionally as terrorism, as they destroyed 13 media outlets and damaged 50 schools.

Its terrorism, just the way you like it.

You have obviously been studying the playbook of the now former cry-baby in chief. Just make up facts and if enough people repeat them or retweet or whatever they become facts. Sad.

Do you think that bombing the hell out of citizens is the solution?? Let us look at what triggered these full-scale bombings by both sides. The Palestinian Muslims went to the mosque for their prayers and gathered in a location close to the mosque as an after prayer celebration. Then the cops tried to disperse them that resulted in the deaths of some of these worshippers. To add insult to injury there were eviction notices sent to the Palestinians just to please the ultra-orthodox factions that exacerbated this unrest followed by demonstrations by pro and anti evictions with the cops seen to side with the Ultra-orthodox factions. Many of these Palestinians lost their lives or were injured. That seem to be fodder for the cattle in the manner in which Hamas started it's rocket attacks. Where was Netanyahu to prevent the violence at the demonstrations in the first place? This whole shit between Hamas and Israel needs to be condemned as I said that two wrongs do not make a right. Children and families losing their lives in Gaza as well as Israel is really sad!!

I keep hearing this and it doesn't make any more sense just because you and others repeat it.

Over 3000 rockets have been fired from Gaza at civilian population centers. Tell us what should Israel do. just stand by? Are you aware of some country that would just sit around and take it?

 

[basketcase]

Do you think that bombing the hell out of citizens is the solution??

Except we both know Israel isn't bombing civilians. If they wanted to, Israel has the capability to kill hundreds of thousands in a couple days.

Let us look at what triggered these full-scale bombings by both sides.

Sure. Religious Israeli used an unequitable law to get property they owned before Jordan forced them out. Then there was a march by these same idiots being racists which resulted in a few days of brawls between groups police tried to keep apart. As part of the attempts to keep the sides apart, police stopped large groups from gathering outside Al Aqsa. Some Palestinians didn't like that and started fighting with the police, resulting in a riot that required police to go onto Temple Mount/Al Aqsa.

It was at this point that Hamas and others started using their racist propaganda of Jews defiling holy sites (by breaking up a riot outside the mosques) and chose to launch rockets at Jerusalem (despite saying they were trying to protect that city).

The attempt to say that Hamas rockets were a reasonable, justified, or in any way legal is wrong.

 

[basketcase]

One day we shall all congregate and give thanks to the Lord our God, for blessings Netanyahu with the ability to get rid of all terrorist Palestinians.
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Sounds just like Hamas talking about Jews (both are racist, out of date bullshit).

 

[basketcase]

You're a Trump supporter.
Charlottesville, Steven Miller....

But you keep trying to make the same kinds of claims the Charlottesville guys make about Jewish control.

BTW. Shithead Miller is Jewish.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

As usual Nasty laughing at his own stupid jokes. You are an anti-semite in the manner in which you supported the KKK and White Supremacists when they chanted that "The Jews Will Not Replace Us"!!

LOL....I never supported those people. Can you show us a post where I did?

Ohh so you do not want me to have any Jewish friends!!!

No, I want you to have ANY friends, let alone Jewish ones

Nahhhhh..... none to stand on!!

Standing firm on both

 

[bver_hunter]

Israel does. Sadly Hamas keeps firing them from deep within the civilian population which make it hard for Israel to hit the rocket teams without massive civilian casualties. Instead they warn civilians and hit the Hamas infrastructure. It is also undeniable that Hamas does hide behind civilians while attacking Israeli civilians; ther are plenty of documented cases from the last war and they were so brazen as to hold their press conferences at the HQ under Gaza's main hospital.

The problem is the same. Hamas fires rockets towards Israeli cities while hiding among civilians so the only response Israel could have without putting Palestinian civilians at risk is to let Hamas continue attacking Israeli civilians.

And just a reminder that there were no bombs falling in Gaza until Hamas started firing at Jerusalem.

You are right that Hamas are hiding their weapons in schools and some residential areas. But remember that this whole flareup escalated after the forceful dispersion of gatherings after a religious worship and celebration. Lives were lost there and the escalation between the Orthodox Jews and Palestinians over evictions exacerbated that situation resulting in further deaths and clearly the same police were siding with the Orthodox Pro Eviction Demonstrators. Instead of Netanyahu stating that he could put those evictions on hold or even scrap them, and respecting those going to mosques or synagogues to pray, well we know that he was only trying to gain votes and politicized this crisis further. I do condemn the rockets being fired by Hamas as much as the forceful evictions or dispersions of worshippers after a prayer ceremony resulting in unnecessary deaths, injuries, and destruction of homes and businesses. What is wrong with that?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You are right that Hamas are hiding their weapons in schools and some residential areas. But remember that this whole flareup escalated after the forceful dispersion of gatherings after a religious worship and celebration. Lives were lost there and the escalation between the Orthodox Jews and Palestinians over evictions exacerbated that situation resulting in further deaths and clearly the same police were siding with the Orthodox Pro Eviction Demonstrators. Instead of Netanyahu stating that he could put those evictions on hold or even scrap them, and respecting those going to mosques or synagogues to pray, well we know that he was only trying to gain votes and politicized this crisis further. I do condemn the rockets being fired by Hamas as much as the forceful evictions or dispersions of worshippers after a prayer ceremony resulting in unnecessary deaths, injuries, and destruction of homes and businesses. What is wrong with that?

Dumbest excuse yet for Hamas firing 3,500 rockets at Israel

 

[icespot]

Sounds just like Hamas talking about Jews (both are racist, out of date bullshit).

Peace and love my friend, the only way for a good outcome.

Placing blame on who is right or who is wrong has never worked.

If Israel wants peace, they should follow the road the world took with Nazy Germany and Japan after the war.

 

[basketcase]

You are right that Hamas are hiding their weapons in schools and some residential areas. But remember that this whole flareup escalated after the forceful dispersion of gatherings after a religious worship and celebration. ...

Are you trying to say that Hamas launching rockets at cities is a natural response to Israeli police trying to keep groups of Alt-right Jews and Muslims from the fights that had been going on all week? (and seriously, try reading up on what happened before instead of just assuming that one report you saw included all the details).

Sorry but that is bullshit. I have no problem criticizing the Israeli laws that allow Jews to reclaim property they were chased out of but not Palestinians but that and breaking up riots and brawls has nothing to do with Hamas choosing that terrorism was an appropriate action.

And again, no Israeli bombs were falling on Gaza until after Hamas started its attacks on Israeli cities.

 

[basketcase]

Peace and love my friend, the only way for a good outcome.

Placing blame on who is right or who is wrong has never worked.

If Israel wants peace, they should follow the road the world took with Nazy Germany and Japan after the war.

Sure. I hope that at some time the Palestinian leadership are willing to engage in rebuilding instead of thinking they can get rid of Israel through terrorism.

 

[bver_hunter]

LOL....I never supported those people. Can you show us a post where I did?

we all know you hate Israel

As soon as you show me where I say I hated Israel, then I will dig up all that wasted band width of your support for that individual who stated that there were "Fine Guys on Both Sides"!!

I want you to have ANY friends, let alone Jewish ones


Standing firm on both

Well, obviously I have more friends than you including Jewish ones, as after all I am not known as "NASTY"!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Are you trying to say that Hamas launching rockets at cities is a natural response to Israeli police trying to keep groups of Alt-right Jews and Muslims from the fights that had been going on all week? (and seriously, try reading up on what happened before instead of just assuming that one report you saw included all the details).

Sorry but that is bullshit. I have no problem criticizing the Israeli laws that allow Jews to reclaim property they were chased out of but not Palestinians but that and breaking up riots and brawls has nothing to do with Hamas choosing that terrorism was an appropriate action.

And again, no Israeli bombs were falling on Gaza until after Hamas started its attacks on Israeli cities.

Tell us how the full scale rocket attacks started if it was not triggered twenty seven days before the first rocket was shot?? The Police not only dispersing these worshippers from those gatherings, but entering the mosques and cutting off the cables to the loud speakers was the start:

Twenty-seven days before the first rocket was fired from Gaza this week, a squad of Israeli police officers entered the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, brushed the Palestinian attendants aside and strode across its vast limestone courtyard. Then they cut the cables to the loudspeakers that broadcast prayers to the faithful from four medieval minarets.
It was the night of April 13, the first day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. It was also Memorial Day in Israel, which honors those who died fighting for the country. The Israeli president was delivering a speech at the Western Wall, a sacred Jewish site that lies below the mosque, and Israeli officials were concerned that the prayers would drown it out.
The incident was confirmed by six mosque officials, three of whom witnessed it; the Israeli police declined to comment. In the outside world, it barely registered.
But in hindsight, the police raid on the mosque, one of the holiest sites in Islam, was one of several actions that led, less than a month later, to the sudden resumption of war between Israel and Hamas, the militant group that rules the Gaza Strip, and the outbreak of civil unrest between Arabs and Jews across Israel itself.

That deterioration has been far more devastating, far-reaching and fast-paced than anyone imagined. It has led to the worst violence between Israelis and Palestinians in years — not only in the conflict with Hamas, which has killed at least 145 people in Gaza and 12 in Israel, but in a wave of mob attacks in mixed Arab-Jewish cities in Israel.
It has spawned unrest in cities across the occupied West Bank, where Israeli forces killed 11 Palestinians on Friday. And it has resulted in the firing of rockets toward Israel from a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon, prompted Jordanians to march toward Israel in protest, and led Lebanese protesters to briefly cross their southern border with Israel.
The crisis came as the Israeli government was struggling for its survival; as Hamas — which Israel views as a terrorist group — was seeking to expand its role within the Palestinian movement; and as a new generation of Palestinians was asserting its own values and goals.
And it was the outgrowth of years of blockades and restrictions in Gaza, decades of occupation in the West Bank, and decades more of discrimination against Arabs within the state of Israel, said Avraham Burg, a former speaker of the Israeli Parliament and former chairman of the World Zionist Organization.
“All the enriched uranium was already in place,” he said. “But you needed a trigger. And the trigger was the Aqsa Mosque.”

It had been seven years since the last significant conflict with Hamas, and 16 since the last major Palestinian uprising, or intifada.
There was no major unrest in Jerusalem when President Donald J. Trump recognized the city as Israel’s capital and nominally moved the United States Embassy there. There were no mass protests after four Arab countries normalized relations with Israel, abandoning a long-held consensus that they would never do so until the Palestinian-Israeli conflict had been resolved.
Two months ago, few in the Israeli military establishment were expecting anything like this.
In private briefings, military officials said the biggest threat to Israel was 1,000 miles away in Iran, or across the northern border in Lebanon.
When diplomats met in March with the two generals who oversee administrative aspects of Israeli military affairs in Gaza and the West Bank, they found the pair relaxed about the possibility of significant violence and celebrating an extended period of relative quiet, according to a senior foreign diplomat who asked to remain anonymous in order to speak freely.
Gaza was struggling to overcome a wave of coronavirus infections. Most major Palestinian political factions, including Hamas, were looking toward Palestinian legislative elections scheduled for May, the first in 15 years. And in Gaza, where the Israeli blockade has contributed to an unemployment rate of about 50 percent, Hamas’s popularity was dwindling as Palestinians spoke increasingly of the need to prioritize the economy over war.
The mood began to shift in April.
The prayers at Aqsa for the first night of Ramadan on April 13 occurred as the Israeli president, Reuven Rivlin, was making his speech nearby.

After Years of Quiet, Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Exploded. Why Now? (Published 2021)

A little-noticed police action in Jerusalem last month was one of several incidents that led to the current crisis.

www.nytimes.com

So just learn the real facts leading up to it rather than taking a partisan approach. Again I condemn both sides. However, Netanyahu has politicized this whole issue!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Dumbest excuse yet for Hamas firing 3,500 rockets at Israel

You are a gone case Nasty!!

 

[basketcase]

Tell us how the full scale rocket attacks started if it was not triggered twenty seven days before the first rocket was shot?? The Police not only dispersing these worshippers from those gatherings, but entering the mosques and cutting off the cables to the loud speakers was the start:
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Did you not bother reading anything about the violence between alt-right settlers and Arabs going on for weeks before police started restricting gatherings in the area? Or do you think the police should have let mobs of radical Jews and Muslims gather to brawl in the streets?

And seriously, do you really think that police going on Al Aqsa justifies Hamas rocket fire? If you want to look at historic antagonism, you could go right back to Mohammed's wars against Jewish villages but that has nothing to do with the decision by Hamas to use terrorism to 'protest' through terrorism.

 

[Frankfooter]

And again you try to pretend that Hamas launching unguided rockets towards civilian centres in a reasonable response to a conflict.

Settler colonization is also a war crime and not at all reasonable.
Same with the occupation, not reasonable in the least.
And definitely not apartheid.

So stop blaming the victims for using the same techniques of warfare you now support from Israel and join a call to bring both sides to the law.
Call out the occupation, violence and apartheid.
Stop supporting state terrorism.

Support BDS

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1393469712135335936

 

[Frankfooter]

Did you not bother reading anything about the violence between alt-right settlers and Arabs going on for weeks before police started restricting gatherings in the area? Or do you think the police should have let mobs of radical Jews and Muslims gather to brawl in the streets?

And seriously, do you really think that police going on Al Aqsa justifies Hamas rocket fire? If you want to look at historic antagonism, you could go right back to Mohammed's wars against Jewish villages but that has nothing to do with the decision by Hamas to use terrorism to 'protest' through terrorism.

That violence was a result of settler colonization and the occupation, with Israel using apartheid law to forcibly evict Palestinians from Jerusalem.

If you want to stop the violence stop blaming the victims for using the same techniques you now back from Israel.
Israel is using rockets to target hospitals, schools, media and residential buildings, just like Hamas only they have way more devastating weapons.
Stop supporting terrorism and call for both sides to be held to the law.

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