Trudeau is experimenting on his people — and the world is watching

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just to set the record straight because there is so much miss information. Nothing is free. Canada did not sign any purchase order for vaccine to be manufacture in the US. Trump administration invoke the Defence Production Act which prevent export. Canada did not know if he would win the election again, he is not a friend of Canada. Make no mistake, he would have used Canada current situation as a tool against cheaper drugs and generic drugs. We saw that with 3 m mask and ventilators. Biden quietly rescinded that last week. Pfizer plant in Kalamazoo is now shipping to Canada the same amount agreed in the original contract from Belgium. Because it is shipping out of Michigan, the supply chain is assured. Yes, the Canadian Ambassador in Washington is working to try to get a loan agreement for the US surplus vaccine. We get some early but repay them back next year. US is currently only interested in moving the Astra Zeneca that it has stored, closed to 60 million but has not approved. Problem is that even the voluntary advisory group in Canada called it a less than ideal vaccine? shit do they not know we are deep into a third wave. The US is opening very fast, they want the border to open but it will be tied to vaccination.
 
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nottyboi

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so UK has data that proves 4 MONTHS is fine? not other country is going that long so
UK has data that says 90 days is fine, what do you think is gonna happen 30 days after the 90 days.. it all gonna go to shit? Experts have a lot of experience with how the immune system works, the chances immunity will just vanish in 30 days is miniscule. All data points to 120 days being conservative and in fact there is a high liklihood that immunity will be ENHANCED by the delay after the second shot.
 
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nottyboi

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Oh, how much I wish it was so .
It is true, you just choose not to accept it. Like Doug Ford not listening to experts. Many experts have supported the 120 day interval. The only incompetence has been at the provincial level where the province has used the least sophisticated approach possible to dole out the vaccinces combined with ineffective public helath measures
 

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UK has data that says 90 days is fine, what do you think is gonna happen 30 days after the 90 days.. it all gonna go to shit? Experts have a lot of experience with how the immune system works, the chances immunity will just vanish in 30 days is miniscule. All data points to 120 days being conservative and in fact there is a high liklihood that immunity will be ENHANCED by the delay after the second shot.
Well when the manufacturer says a timeline I believe them over the government
 

jcpro

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Well when the manufacturer says a timeline I believe them over the government
And that is the only "science" I care about. I simply don't trust our government because they've dropped the ball so many times.
 

nottyboi

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Well when the manufacturer says a timeline I believe them over the government
That is your choice. They are motivated by money, and it shows your complete lack of understanding of how drugs are approved.
 

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And that is the only "science" I care about. I simply don't trust our government because they've dropped the ball so many times.
Well you do know that science is certified and approved by THE GOVERNMENT right? lol
 
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jcpro

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Well you do know that science is certified and approved by THE GOVERNMENT right? lol
I've dealt with the government"experts" most of my life. Need I say more?
 

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Shit happens, this is why govt exists. If you really look for scandal you will find it everywhere.
So what? You can't sweep everything under the carpet. Call it for what it is.
 

nottyboi

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I've dealt with the government"experts" most of my life. Need I say more?
Well both recommedations come from govt experts reviewing data. So both your choices are essentially driven from the same entities. The 120 option..based on updated field data. So your reason for believing one recommendation over the other is not rational
 

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Well both recommedations come from govt experts reviewing data. So both your choices are essentially driven from the same entities. The 120 option..based on updated field data. So your reason for believing one recommendation over the other is not rational
Rational thinking doesn't play a part in many of the hardcore righties thought processes, it's all about blind ideology.
 

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That is your choice. They are motivated by money, and it shows your complete lack of understanding of how drugs are approved.
The government does Not know more about a drug then the manufacturer And as far as motivation for approval this liberal government dropped the ball so badly they were motivated by desperation to get any drug approved in order to get votes
 

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The government does Not know more about a drug then the manufacturer And as far as motivation for approval this liberal government dropped the ball so badly they were motivated by desperation to get any drug approved in order to get votes
Which is why you shouldn't trust the 21 days. The companies made the interval as short as they could to try and get data for approval, knowing full well that two-dose vaccines perform better with longer spacing between the doses.
 

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Well both recommedations come from govt experts reviewing data. So both your choices are essentially driven from the same entities. The 120 option..based on updated field data. So your reason for believing one recommendation over the other is not rational
Here's where I stand. In my field we know more than the government "experts". Hence, I can examine and judge the value of their position which is often wrong or incomplete or awaiting decision delayed be the need for more studies. However, when it to comes vaccines, I don't know anything beyond the basic. I'm not qualified to arrive at a sound conclusion. Therefore I defer to the authority on the subject and that's the producer. Why? Because they are the only ones who know their product in every detail. And they are the ones, who after examining all options, put "21 days" on the label.
 
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Cantaro

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So a bullshit study is better then decades of data and real time data that supports the decision? The 21 days was chosen for a reason, but that reason is not what you think it is.
Stop drinking Notty you make an ass out of yourself. A study published post in the New England journal of medicine is bullshit? How ignorant can you be? What decades of of data and real time data? Covid is only 1 year old The covid vaccines are barely one year old. LOL What decades ??? 😂😂😂 Next time think before you post.
 

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Stop drinking Notty you make an ass out of yourself. A study published post in the New England journal of medicine is bullshit? How ignorant can you be? What decades of of data and real time data? Covid is only 1 year old The covid vaccines are barely one year old. LOL What decades ??? 😂😂😂 Next time think before you post.
The study isn't bullshit, but you pulling one sentence out of context and claiming that it was what the study was about is bullshit.
 
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Cantaro

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Stop being so lame. Unless at least 2 weeks are allowed to lapse after the first dose, the stats are NOT FUCKING VALID. How many time do you need to be told that it takes time to build immunity. For the love if FUCKING GOD. Please stop your BULLSHIT.
If it takes time to build immunity, like you're saying and you think 4 months is going to give you better immunity, be my guest the reason the manufactures say 2 to 3 weeks its because we build immunity better. You can scream all your want but we all know that you have your head up Turdno's ass and you can't stand when someone criticizes him. Poor Baby..why don't you shout a little more , it really shows your class.

 

Cantaro

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The study isn't bullshit, but you pulling one sentence out of context and claiming that it was what the study was about is bullshit.
How dare you contradict your Snowflake Buddy? The study is posted in many sites, the journalist has the right to post the article and question what's going on. Its not that we're in Iran. We don't know if the waiting 4 months has made us weaker to the variants or not,
 
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