Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

[Phil C. McNasty]

Herd immunity is fine. Eradication is better

From what I've read Covid will most likely never be completely eradicated. Just like the flu never will be.
We will always have to take booster vaccines, and we will always have new Covid infections regardless.

But yes, more vaccinated people is always better

 

[shack]

Except this is not hate speech, and he's not yelling fire in a theatre. So thats false equivalence.
He's allowed to have his personal opinions, and he's allowed to express them

The problem with hate speech and "fire" is that they are dangerous, they put other people at risk. c-m's idiocy also endangers other people if it is taken seriously.

BTW, people who spew hate speech are also expressing their personal opinion. So that argument doesn't work.

 

[basketcase]

This will soon be standard Libtard reaction to anyone who hasnt been vacinated yet

More sensible than the alt-right idiots trying to ban vaccinated teachers.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The problem with hate speech and "fire" is that they are dangerous, they put other people at risk. c-m's idiocy also endangers other people if it is taken seriously

How many people do you think take c-m seriously in Canada?? I'll bet very few.
And if/when they do take his posts seriously then its their own choice, and they will have to face their own consequences if they get Covid and get sick.

Censorship like you're proposing is a slippery slope to go down on.
Whats next, do you think we should ban alternative medicine too because that might also be "dangerous"?? No thanks!!
I was cured of IBS by my naturopath with natural medicine.
This was after my regular doctor and gastroenterologist said there was nothing they could do for me.

Censorship can fuck off, and free speech should rule

 

[PeteOsborne]

How many people do you think take c-m seriously in Canada?? I'll bet very few.
And if/when they do take his posts seriously then its their own choice, and they will have to face their own consequences if they get Covid and get sick.

Censorship like you're proposing is a slippery slope to go down on.
Whats next, do you think we should ban alternative medicine too because that might also be "dangerous"?? No thanks!!
I was cured of IBS by my naturopath with natural medicine.
This was after my regular doctor and gastroenterologist said there was nothing they could do for me.

Censorship can fuck off, and free speech should rule

I like CM's posts, they give me a good laugh and we all need good laughs now and again.
They are usually the easiest to prove wrong because they include in the article the opposite of his heading, which in my view makes them even funnier.
But who in their right mind would believe anyone turned into an alien after taking the vaccine.

 

[shack]

Censorship can fuck off, and free speech should rule

So you feel that our hate speech laws should be repealed?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So you feel that our hate speech laws should be repealed?

I dont really wanna derail the thread, but I've always felt hate-speech laws are kinda stupid.

The USA and Netherlands have the right laws IMO. You can hate on people all you want through free speech, but if you follow it up with actions (or you entice other people to follow it up with actions), you are then guilty of a crime (usually that means assault, murder, attempted murder.....etc).

Also its smarter to give scum groups like Nazi's or KKK a platform, because then LE can identify those hate groups and keep an eye on them through surveillance in case they plan acts of terrorism. Hate speech laws tend to push these groups underground, and thats even worse because they are then much harder to keep track off.

Just my $ 0.02

 

[canada-man]

Judith Reisman died 10 days after getting COVID vaccine

Judith Reisman, adversary of the porn industry, died 10 days after getting COVID vaccine | News | LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

 

[squeezer]

Covid-19: Israel records no daily deaths for the first time in 10 months

Covid-19: Israel records no daily deaths for the first time in 10 months

The drop in deaths is seen as a promising sign as Israel vaccinates more than 50% of its population.

www.bbc.com

 

[Valcazar]

Nope, there are no vaccine trials for children under 5, everything in this story is false.

WHAT?!?!? Are you saying canada-man would repeat unverified bullshit? I NEVER!

 

[canada-man]

Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials - ABC News (go.com)


Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials
The next stage of trials will involve placebo and treatment groups.
ByJason Kuang,Imtiyaz Delawala, andAllie Yang
27 April 2021, 18:46
• 10 min read


This is from ABC news a mainstream media outlet

other mainstream media are reporting on them

Moderna Children’s COVID-19 Vaccine Trials to Begin as Adult Vaccination Rates Fall – NBC Connecticut

 

[canada-man]

COVID-19 Vaccine Trials for Young Children Proceed at Yale < Yale School of Medicine

Moderna to start testing vaccine on Canadian kids, but doses before next school year unlikely | CBC News

 

[shack]

The USA and Netherlands have the right laws IMO. You can hate on people all you want through free speech, but if you follow it up with actions

So after people have been hurt. Even when there have been clear signals that the hate speechers wish to do them harm.

 

[lenny2]

Judith Reisman died 10 days after getting COVID vaccine

Judith Reisman, adversary of the porn industry, died 10 days after getting COVID vaccine | News | LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

"In peace may you leave the shore"

"In love may you find the next"

"Safe passage on your travels"

("The 100", TV series)

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So after people have been hurt. Even when there have been clear signals that the hate speechers wish to do them harm

Thats the price you pay for having true freedom of speech.
Besides, if a hate-speecher wants to physical harm, he/she will find a way to do it eventually.

The longest sentence in Canada for hate speech is 12 months: https://globalnews.ca/news/5810045/jail-promoting-hate-strong-message/
(which means he'll only serve 8 to 9 months on good behaviour).

What makes you think James Sears can't pick up a weapon and go on a shooting massacre after he gets out prison??

 

[shack]

Thats the price you pay for having true freedom of speech.
Besides, if a hate-speecher wants to physical harm, he/she will find a way to do it eventually.

Sort of like uttering threats. That is illegal.

You didn't answer if you felt that hate speech laws should be repealed.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You didn't answer if you felt that hate speech laws should be repealed

I could care less if its repealed or not. I just think its a stupid law

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Remember what I said about a slippery slope?? Here's the next step in censorship of free speech:

LILLEY: Trudeau's internet censorship bill must be stopped

If the idea of the government controlling what you can read online doesn’t strike you as quite right, then you might be a Canadian.

torontosun.com

 

[northofsixty]

Remember what I said about a slippery slope?? Here's the next step in censorship of free speech:

LILLEY: Trudeau's internet censorship bill must be stopped

If the idea of the government controlling what you can read online doesn’t strike you as quite right, then you might be a Canadian.

torontosun.com

Just exercising my right of free speech so here is a thought - why don't you and Shack start a separate thread on free speech and stop hijacking this thread?

 

[PeteOsborne]

Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials - ABC News (go.com)


Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials
The next stage of trials will involve placebo and treatment groups.
ByJason Kuang,Imtiyaz Delawala, andAllie Yang
27 April 2021, 18:46
• 10 min read


This is from ABC news a mainstream media outlet

other mainstream media are reporting on them

Moderna Children’s COVID-19 Vaccine Trials to Begin as Adult Vaccination Rates Fall – NBC Connecticut

Thank you for posting this it shows that I was clearly in error of the wording of my previous post in which I stated" Nope, there are no vaccine trials for children under 5, everything in this story is false."
I should have worded it this way " Nope, there were no vaccine trials for children under 5 at that time, everything in this story is false.
As referenced by the articles you posted Moderna has not yet started their studies and Pfizer did not start their trials until around April 7th when the first shots in those under 5 were administered.
https://www.kron4.com/health/corona...trial-began-at-stanford-for-2-to-5-year-olds/
The VAERS data you posted stated the date as Mar. 5th, 2021. no vaccines were being given to that age group at that time.
You may want to read this, titled "Understanding the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)"
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-vaers-color-office.pdf
2 major points to the VAERS system.
● Reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after vaccination do not mean that the reported problem was caused by a vaccine. Reports are signals that alert scientists of possible cause-andeffect relationships that need to be investigated. ● Anyone can submit a report to VAERS including health care professionals, vaccine manufacturers, vaccine recipients, and parents or family members of people who have received a vaccine
Also clinical trial information is monitored closely by the company that is conducting them and is reported internally.
One other article about VAERS and how it is being misused and exploited by anti vaxxers.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/s...to-make-false-claims-about-covid-19-vaccines/
"...over and over websites and social media posts improperly cite unverified raw data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, an alert system managed by the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration to detect possible safety issues in vaccines, as evidence that the approved COVID-19 vaccines cause deaths and serious events."
Again VAERS is raw data and is not an accurate count of deaths or side effects.