Chauvin guilty but whats changed? What now?

[lessjamie7]

Where do we go from here? This is some level of victory for society but even since this crime happened it has happened again?

Do you think this verdict will change police behavior?

Do you think this will embolden criminal behavior?

Do you think there will be a revamp of North American training standards for police?

Do police get the kind of pertinent necessary training "now" to deal with the world they work in?

Do police have to recertify their training as you do for other employment competencies?

Why didn't the other attending officers at the scene of this murder get charged with accessory???

LJ

 

[Darts]

Justice Dept. opens investigation of Minneapolis police after Derek Chauvin verdict in George Floyd case - UPI.com

I fear Minneapolis will turn into another Baltimore.
"Crime in Baltimore
Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. is notorious for its significantly high crime rate, including a violent crime rate that ranks high above the national average. Violent crime spiked in 2015 after the death of Freddie Gray on April 19, 2015, which touched off riots and an increase in murders. The city recorded 348 homicides in 2019, a number second only to the number recorded in 1993 when the population was nearly 125,000 higher."

 

[redshank]

Nothing’s changed

 

[Darts]

The attitude of the rank and file police in Baltimore now is "FIDO". As demonstrated in Minneapolis, the police chief and the "desk police" are nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacks and will lie to protect their careers and throw a street cop under the bus.

Minneapolis police will likely also adopt FIDO. Convicting Chauvin will not make Minneapolis safer for the ordinary citizen. Just like Baltimore, crime, including violent crime will increase.

FIDO = "Fuck It Drive On".

 

[Male4Strapon]

Do you think this verdict will change police behavior?
Yes, but this is the proverbial tanker that can't turn or stop on a dime. Change will take years. But it may be less that the conviction changes behaviors as much as the fear of being recorded that is the catalyst.

Do you think this will embolden criminal behavior?
I dont believe it will embolden criminal behaviour but it will embolden criminals to not comply with police instruction, which invites more problems.

Do you think there will be a revamp of North American training standards for police?
Yes, but the problems are much deeper than simply training, especially in the US. It's the mentality of those who work in policing, the militarization of police and the stress of the job, plus the expectation of the Blue Wall and the power of police unions, protecting the bad cops.

Why didn't the other attending officers at the scene of this murder get charged with accessory???
They are facing charges but I doubt it will be anything too severe. If I am not mistaken, Chauvin was the most senior so they would have likely not challenged him and with a group of angry citizens screaming at Chauvin, they may have been more concerned with preventing a riot. I am not defending them at all (they should be held responsible too) but I can see where they were put in a tough spot by Chauvin's actions.
I think it is in Malcolm Gladwells book Outliers where he writes about co-pilots who would not challenge senior captains even though they knew the captain was making a terrible mistake that ultimately led to plane crashes. I don't think this bowing to a senior officer can be entirely dismissed.

 

[MadGeek]

The attitude of the rank and file police in Baltimore now is "FIDO". As demonstrated in Minneapolis, the police chief and the "desk police" are nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacks and will lie to protect their careers and throw a street cop under the bus.

Minneapolis police will likely also adopt FIDO. Convicting Chauvin will not make Minneapolis safer for the ordinary citizen. Just like Baltimore, crime, including violent crime will increase.

FIDO = "Fuck It Drive On".

Most American cities have at least one part that qualifies as FIDO. Here's Philly's.

 

[Darts]

The lefties will argue that this is all the fault of rich people. Get rid of rich people and this mess will go away.

In a prior life I worked and lived in western Canada and would take trips down the U.S. left coast and northern states.

My intel tells me that Seattle and L.A. are now unmitigated disasters.
Los Angeles’ Skid Row: Shocking photos of LA’s growing slum (news.com.au)

 

[mandrill]

The attitude of the rank and file police in Baltimore now is "FIDO". As demonstrated in Minneapolis, the police chief and the "desk police" are nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacks and will lie to protect their careers and throw a street cop under the bus.

Minneapolis police will likely also adopt FIDO. Convicting Chauvin will not make Minneapolis safer for the ordinary citizen. Just like Baltimore, crime, including violent crime will increase.

FIDO = "Fuck It Drive On".

Normal beat cop attitudes are "FIDO just waiting to happen" at the best of times. Their resentment of "unworthy" desk officers and "over entitled" brass always simmers just below the service. This "no one can criticize us" is 90% of the problem.

 

[Male4Strapon]

The lefties will argue that this is all the fault of rich people. Get rid of rich people and this mess will go away.

it’s too easy for the poor to blame the rich but also too easy for rich to dismiss the poor as simply not working hard enough, when they themselves have had so many advantages.

 

[mandrill]

It's a step. The fact that in a justified and very obvious case a cop can and will be taken down by a jury is a new thing. This rarely happens and I am guessing that the reason why Chauvin killed Floyd was that he assumed that there would be no consequences. It took a crowd forming, a videotape, riots and a determined DA's office not to let this get swept under the rug.

So now everybody knows what the stakes are potentially and that you play with fire at your own risk - and all the Fox News commentators and police union officials in the world might not be able to save your ass and balls from going down hard and long.

So any illusion that the Rodney King scenario (where you get the witness, the videotape and the jury still walks the bad cops) is inevitable just became history.

So the mean cops'll think twice, be more careful and maybe not punch the guy on the ground that one extra time in the throat or chest.

Change is incremental and evolutionary when it comes to attitudes, but it has to start somewhere.

 

[mandrill]

The lefties will argue that this is all the fault of rich people. Get rid of rich people and this mess will go away.
In a prior life I worked and lived in western Canada and would take trips down the U.S. left coast and northern states.
My intel tells me that Seattle and L.A. are now unmitigated disasters.
Los Angeles’ Skid Row: Shocking photos of LA’s growing slum (news.com.au)

Yeah..... well, that's what you get in a polarized country with a shitty to non existent social net and where the rich and poor live totally different lives in totally different parts of the City.

My sister lives in a large city in the midwest and initially lived in a nice white burb. It had almost no public transit and the local council vetoed the idea of transit links with downtown or the other, less wealthy burbs because they wanted nothing to burst their bubble, even in the most unlikely and purely theoretical fashion.

My sister explained to me once that parts of the black, not-wealthy suburb had no sewer links yet - several decades after it had been built. The States is not like Canada in many ways.

 

[saxon]

See how many cops will refuse to answer any calls in black neighborhoods.

 

[wazup]

Blacks need to stop putting themselves in so many situations where police are needed, that's a start, will it happen, fuck no. Why don't they resolve these situations on their own and leave police out of it.

In 2019 I believe 13 unarmed blacks were killed, only 2 were deemed questionable I believe. Any race that commits a significant percentage of crime will always have significant interaction with police. Will things change, hell no.

 

[danmand]

It's a step. The fact that in a justified and very obvious case a cop can and will be taken down by a jury is a new thing. This rarely happens and I am guessing that the reason why Chauvin killed Floyd was that he assumed that there would be no consequences. It took a crowd forming, a videotape, riots and a determined DA's office not to let this get swept under the rug.

So now everybody knows what the stakes are potentially and that you play with fire at your own risk - and all the Fox News commentators and police union officials in the world might not be able to save your ass and balls from going down hard and long.

So any illusion that the Rodney King scenario (where you get the witness, the videotape and the jury still walks the bad cops) is inevitable just became history.

So the mean cops'll think twice, be more careful and maybe not punch the guy on the ground that one extra time in the throat or chest.

Change is incremental and evolutionary when it comes to attitudes, but it has to start somewhere.

There will be only cosmetic changes until inequality decrease, which is very unlikely. Actually, we see inequality increase.

 

[Tomoreno]

Dialing 911 in not so distant future...

Automated message says:

Thanks for calling 911.
If you're White - please press 1
If you're Hispanic - please press 2
If you're Black - please press 3

3 is pressed.

Automated message says:

You've been forwarded to BLM. No one is available to take your call. Please press 1 to leave a message. If you'd like to donate, please press 2 to speak to a representative.

 

[Micber]

Any black cops shooting a back person?

They will need to expand the prison wing to allow only ex-LE to be in.

 

[basketcase]

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I fear Minneapolis will turn into another Baltimore.
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The verdict is going to make Minneapolis a massive low income area with decades of governmental neglect?

Sad that you still want to blame this on blacks who are criminals instead of actually holding the cop accountable.

 

[basketcase]

See how many cops will refuse to answer any calls in black neighborhoods.

If they don't want to do their jobs, fire their asses.

 

[basketcase]

Blacks need to stop putting themselves in so many situations where police are needed, that's a start, will it happen, fuck no. Why don't they resolve these situations on their own and leave police out of it.

In 2019 I believe 13 unarmed blacks were killed, only 2 were deemed questionable I believe. Any race that commits a significant percentage of crime will always have significant interaction with police. Will things change, hell no.

Holy shit. I don't know where to even begin unpacking this steaming pile of racist garbage.

 

[Tomoreno]

Sad that you still want to blame this on blacks who are criminals instead of actually holding the cop accountable.

Are you blaming everyone??