Canadian Death Rates Remain Flat

[TeeJay]

Well despite the covidiots claims about a "pandemic" and all our death rates remain flat for the year
This reinforces the fact majority of "covid deaths" were unpreventable and even without using covid as the fall guy vast majority of Canadians would have died anyways of other causes (including the flu)

And for those unable to read charts, the year the deaths are reported is for the PREVIOUS year... in other words 2021 stats are for 2020 season

 

[PeteOsborne]

You forgot to include the footnote associated with this chart which states " NOTE: All 2019 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus."
I can read charts but I can also read the footnotes included in the reports.

 

[Fun For All]

You forgot to include the footnote associated with this chart which states " NOTE: All 2019 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus."
I can read charts but I can also read the footnotes included in the reports.

Are you saying TeeJay provided misleading information? Wow, never would have seen that coming...

 

[Valcazar]

You forgot to include the footnote associated with this chart which states " NOTE: All 2019 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus."
I can read charts but I can also read the footnotes included in the reports.

The chart doesn't have a footnote.
Where does it even come from?

 

[JuanGoodman]

The chart doesn't have a footnote.
Where does it even come from?

Just google it. And TJ is right.

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knoema.com

 

[Valcazar]

Just google it. And TJ is right.

Log In - knoema.com

knoema.com

Not the same chart - his goes to 2021. This doesn't have a footnote either.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Not the same chart - his goes to 2021. This doesn't have a footnote either.

Not everything needs a footnote and same facts can be presented on different charts.

Are you incapable of doing things yourself? Just google " Canada, historical death rate data". His chart comes up first with your "footnote".

Glad I can teach you something today, you are welcome.

Canada Death Rate 1950-2024

Chart and table of the Canada death rate from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

 

[Valcazar]

Not everything needs a footnote and same facts can be presented on different charts.

Are you incapable of doing things yourself? Just google " Canada, historical death rate data". His chart comes up first with your "footnote".

Glad I can teach you something today, you are welcome.

Canada Death Rate 1950-2024

Chart and table of the Canada death rate from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

I wasn't asking you. I was asking Pete Osbourne to defend his criticism of TeeJay's chart.
But yes, this appears to be the same chart.
You win.
PeteOsbourne is right and TeeJay is wrong about the chart and what it says.

 

[basketcase]

Interesting. Any breakdown about where those deaths came from?

If the 22,000 covid dead were simply replacing 22,000 flu and pneumonia deaths then you could have a point with your claims covid is simply a flu. But your own sources say flu + pneumonia only equals 6-8,000 so that can't be the case.
On the other hand, if the causes of death that decreased could be directly related to lockdown and restrictions such as accidents (#3 cause of death in 2019) then your data is meaningless.


We can discuss this further when the stats-can data for 2020 comes out instead of counting on mathematical projections that completely ignore covid.

 

[Dirkpit]

Why do they have a chart that excludes COVID ? Where is the chart of Canadian deaths that excludes car accidents or heart attacks? That makes no sense to me. I did read the disclaimer when I looked up that chart, it is there.

 

[basketcase]

Why do they have a chart that excludes COVID ? Where is the chart of Canadian deaths that excludes car accidents or heart attacks? That makes no sense to me. I did read the disclaimer when I looked up that chart, it is there.

Because it's a UN agency that is mandated with predicting death rates?

 

[doggystyle99]

The chart doesn't have a footnote.
Where does it even come from?

Have no idea where Teejay took that chart from and claimed it's the death rate for Canada as well as the growth rate. It is off from the actual numbers though. It's what's called TeeJay facts which is always opposite to the actual facts.

Canada's total number of deaths for 2019 was 287,460.
In 2020 the total number of deaths in Canada was 300.310.

2020 saw an increase of 12,850 deaths from the previous year and it was the highest number of deaths in Canada

2019 saw an increase of 1.3% in the total number of deaths from the previous year
2020 saw an increase of 4.4% in the total number of deaths from the previous year

Canada: number of deaths 2023 | Statista

Between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023, there were around 330,380 deaths reported in Canada.

www.statista.com

 

[Valcazar]

Because it's a UN agency that is mandated with predicting death rates?

Exactly. And since COVID is throwing off predicted numbers for everything (Canada already reporting a roughly 5% increase in the death rate through November.) they want to point out that these projections aren't yet calibrated for that.

Have no idea where Teejay took that chart from and claimed it's the death rate for Canada as well as the growth rate. It is off from the actual numbers though. It's what's called TeeJay facts which is always opposite to the actual facts.

Canada: number of deaths 2023 | Statista

Between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023, there were around 330,380 deaths reported in Canada.

www.statista.com

I never sure how much to trust statista. Depending on what they are reporting they are sometimes cagey about their sources.

 

[TeeJay]

2019 Deaths = 284,082
2020 Deaths = 241,257 (up to Oct 31 2020)

These are indisputable facts sourced from StatsCAN
I dont know what drugs you are all on, but we did NOT have an additional 50,000 deaths in NOV + DEC !

So yeah majority of the fools in this thread are wrong; our death rate pretty much remained flat, and we had spike in things such as suicide and overdoses to account for a good number of these deaths

2020

The Daily — Provisional death counts and excess mortality, January to October 2020

COVID-19 continues to affect communities and families across the country and many have lost family members and friends. Beyond deaths attributed to the disease itself, the pandemic could also have indirect consequences that increase or decrease the number of deaths due to various factors...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

2019

The Daily — Deaths, 2019

There were 284,082 deaths in 2019, the highest annual total since the vital statistics registration system was introduced in 1921. The increase in the number of deaths is expected and is due to population growth and aging.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[Valcazar]

2019 Deaths = 284,082
2020 Deaths = 241,257 (up to Oct 31 2020)

Why are you connecting to December's report when they released an updated one at the beginning of February?

The Daily — Provisional death counts and excess mortality, January to November 2020

COVID-19 continues to affect communities and families across the country and many have lost family members and friends. Beyond deaths attributed to the disease itself, the pandemic could also have indirect consequences that increase or decrease the number of deaths due to various factors...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

These are indisputable facts sourced from StatsCAN
I dont know what drugs you are all on, but we did NOT have an additional 50,000 deaths in NOV + DEC !

No, you would expect it to be about 40,000.

So yeah majority of the fools in this thread are wrong; our death rate pretty much remained flat, and we had spike in things such as suicide and overdoses to account for a good number of these deaths

According to StatsCan, not flat.

From January to November 2020, there were an estimated 259,836 deaths in Canada, representing an excess of 12,067 deaths above and beyond what would have been expected if there was no pandemic. This implies that there have been about 5% more deaths than expected in that period, after accounting for changes in the population such as aging.

Definitely much better than was feared during the big spike in the spring/early summer, and given how disastrously the US went, clearly we did a better job controlling things up here.

 

[TeeJay]

Why are you connecting to December's report when they released an updated one at the beginning of February?

Even better and thank you very much
259,836

Still a VERY far cry from 2019 & 284,082

The newer report (+3 months according to you) only managed to add 18,000 deaths
And that was at the height of the panic-demic when they decided a lockdown was needed

No, you would expect it to be about 40,000.

And yet... from your own source link... it wasn't

Even doubling the 18,000 at best nets you 36,000
And you are out of months at that point

(plus the obviousness that during lockdown which was implemented end of Nov you would expect far fewer anyways)



I also am troubled you do not understand the term "flat"
How do you claim it was not flat when numbers in 2020 are less than 2019?
Natural deaths outnumbered the pandemic deaths

That's some serious messed up shit there
Makes you wonder wtf was the point of things like masks and lockdowns
Would have been better to just let it run its course

 

[squeezer]

Looks like based on the nutjobs we are going to be in lockdown for a while.

 

[Valcazar]

Even better and thank you very much
259,836

Still a VERY far cry from 2019 & 284,082

The newer report (+3 months according to you) only managed to add 18,000 deaths
And that was at the height of the panic-demic when they decided a lockdown was needed

It's 3 months later clarifying previous data and adding only a small amount of new material. (Just to clarify.)

Even doubling the 18,000 at best nets you 36,000
And you are out of months at that point

It looks like it rolls out to about 5,000 plus a week so about 40,00. But there is a fair amount of fuzziness there.

I also am troubled you do not understand the term "flat"
How do you claim it was not flat when numbers in 2020 are less than 2019?

The numbers in 2020 are running higher than 2019.

Natural deaths outnumbered the pandemic deaths

As you would expect. I think even in the US COVID runs behind heart disease and cancer.

Makes you wonder wtf was the point of things like masks and lockdowns
Would have been better to just let it run its course

Given our population runs similarly, it would seem that having let it run its course more would have gotten us closer to the US COVID death rate - about triple our own.

But since you disagree with my idea it isn't flat, let's lay cards on the table.

I expect us to hit 300,000 deaths for 2020 when the tally is done and a rate/1000 that cracks 8.
I expect both but since I don't know what the denominator would be, I won't be shocked if I only get one.

I presume you will consider both of those flat even if they happen?

 

[TeeJay]

But siunce you disagree with my idea it isn't flat, let's lay cards on the table.

I expect us to hit 300,000 deaths for 2020 when the tally is done and a rate/1000 that cracks 8.
I expect both but since I don't know what the denominator would be, I won't be shocked if I only get one.

I presume you will consider both of those flat even if they happen?

300,000 would be an increase
From 284 that is nearly a 10% increase

I would not deem it a catastrophic pandemic but at that point the covidiots def would win

I just don't see it happening, esp since lockdowns were in force for hotspots like Montreal, GTA and BC at that point

 

[Valcazar]

300,000 would be an increase
From 284 that is nearly a 10% increase

I would not deem it a catastrophic pandemic but at that point the covidiots def would win

I just don't see it happening, esp since lockdowns were in force for hotspots like Montreal, GTA and BC at that point

Totally fair.
We'll check in as the results roll in.
I expect the next update would be in a couple of months.