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Darts

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ROFLMFAO!!! How much more should I give to the "healthcare professionals"? 60%? 85%? Healthcare is the biggest line in the budget and it is still underfunded and we're in a perpetual deficit.
People of means go to the U.S. for medical care.

I think the U.K. has a two tiered health system, (similar to public and private schools here where one can choose). Unfortunately, Canada has only a single tiered health care system and we are all "shoehorned" into the same system because it is illegal to have private care with some exceptions like dental, hence, the long wait time.
 

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People of means go to the U.S. for medical care.

I think the U.K. has a two tiered health system, (similar to public and private schools here where one can choose). Unfortunately, Canada has only a single tiered health care system and we are all "shoehorned" into the same system because it is illegal to have private care with some exceptions like dental, hence, the long wait time.
All social programs, including the health care delivery, should be means tested. The one size fits all is a good way to deliver a poor performance at the excessive price. Unfortunately, the "free" healthcare has become a gospel in Canada.
 

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Unfortunately, the "free" healthcare has become a gospel in Canada.
The two tiered health care system is politically toxic. The lefties (there's that word again) will argue that people with money will get better care. Just like people with money live in better houses, eat better food, drive better cars, have better vacations, marry more beautiful women and their kids get better education.
 

New World

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Stupid question.

If your Parents / Grand Parents were in long term care and you see covid 19 running rampant in these homes. Why would you not consider taking them out of long term care?
 
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squeezer

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As I keep telling BJ, more restrictions and lockdowns on the way. Tomorrow I'm sure they will be announced as hospitals start to fill up and elective surgeries and other surgeries denied thanks to the deniers of COVID>

 
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Darts

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California --about the same population of Canada

106,000 known new infections
379 known new deaths (you can only die once)
 

basketcase

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Oh cmon we all saw the fake Toronto and Winnipeg news
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Oh that's right, you stalk through hospitals while not wearing a mask to check up on them. Sadly you actually believe that all these governmental and media reports are part of a conspiracy.
 
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basketcase

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ROFLMFAO!!! How much more should I give to the "healthcare professionals"? 60%? 85%? Healthcare is the biggest line in the budget and it is still underfunded and we're in a perpetual deficit. The current "free" healthcare in Canada is a white elephant and completely unsustainable. The system with sky high costs and so inefficient it cannot handle a few hundred extra patients. We are lucky that we are not facing a real pandemic like the Spanish Flu with high mortality and tens of thousands hospitalizations. I hope we will never have to find out, but if we do, Canadians will discover that they paid for the Cadillac and got a Pinto.
As I said, you're here complaining that hospitals don't have enough room while also complaining your taxes pay for that room.
 

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All social programs, including the health care delivery, should be means tested. The one size fits all is a good way to deliver a poor performance at the excessive price. Unfortunately, the "free" healthcare has become a gospel in Canada.
When people can get major medical treatments like cancer treatment without having to take out a mortgage seems pretty good from my side. In my family and their circle, I know many people who have gotten cutting edge treatment for cancer and other issues. ER's do have a problem that people use them when there are more appropriate options but the system works pretty damn well. the poor performance is the people, both those who abuse the system and those who pretend a virus isn't a problem while those hospital beds are being taken up.
 

basketcase

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Stupid question.

If your Parents / Grand Parents were in long term care and you see covid 19 running rampant in these homes. Why would you not consider taking them out of long term care?
I'm sure it's a tougher question that you may think. For me it would depend on what their needs were. Some elderly people are past the point where their children can care for them and not everyone can afford a nurse to care for them at home (if they even have space). If my parent wasn't particularly ill and had their faculties but simply too old to putter around a big house then yeah, I'd look into options, even putting them up in a hotel suite for a while (I'm sure with the way the hotel business is, you can get a decent deal). Otherwise I'd be a major pain in the ass to the home and be constantly on them about their procedures.
 

TeeJay

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Stupid question.

If your Parents / Grand Parents were in long term care and you see covid 19 running rampant in these homes. Why would you not consider taking them out of long term care?
I also asked that a few times
I was dumbfounded by the stories of people standing at windows saying they cant visit in spring

Its like.... granny is not in prison right?
 
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New World

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I'm sure it's a tougher question that you may think. For me it would depend on what their needs were. Some elderly people are past the point where their children can care for them and not everyone can afford a nurse to care for them at home (if they even have space). If my parent wasn't particularly ill and had their faculties but simply too old to putter around a big house then yeah, I'd look into options, even putting them up in a hotel suite for a while (I'm sure with the way the hotel business is, you can get a decent deal). Otherwise I'd be a major pain in the ass to the home and be constantly on them about their procedures.
My colleagues Mom is (was) in Long term care home. It cost him $2500 per month.

From the outside looking in it
Seems like its a case of blissful ignorance or kids who just dont care what happens to their Parents / Grand Parents. Perhaps its all about the inheritance..

I know for a fact if my Mom or Dad was in a LTC or retirement home. They would have been removed from these places back in Feb 2020. Fortunately this is not the case fir me..
 

TeeJay

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I know for a fact if my Mom or Dad was in a LTC or retirement home. They would have been removed from these places back in Feb 2020. Fortunately this is not the case fir me..
I don't think in Feb (or even Mar) most people thought it was an issue
But Apr-May is when stuff started to go wrong
 

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I know for a fact if my Mom or Dad was in a LTC or retirement home. They would have been removed from these places back in Feb 2020. Fortunately this is not the case fir me..
If that parent had serious dementia or medical conditions, it wouldn't be that easy. Not many people have the ability or the time to become a full time care giver.
 

TeeJay

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The question of hospital capacity is fundamental to justifying the lockdown, and yet the government boasts that it created 3,100 new hospital beds to help with the pandemic. Now, we’re told that the whole hospital system starts to melt down when 300 intensive care beds are dedicated to COVID patients. Something doesn’t add up.

 

basketcase

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Hum

Numbers DECREASED again

No commentary?
Wow. That is a pretty stupid comment. You must be all triggered now that Dougie has finally realized he had no choice but to listen to science.

It increased again. No comment?
  • Hospitalized
    915
  • ICU
    265
  • On ventilator
    152
  • Deaths
    17
 
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