Consequences for those who refuse C-19 vaccination

lenny2

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“What we can do is to say sometimes for access or ease of getting into certain settings, if you don’t have vaccination then you’re not allowed into that setting without other protection materials,” said Williams.


"What may be mandatory, is proof of vaccination, in order to have latitude and freedom to move around without wearing personal protective equipment." - Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Williams

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people would rather smoke, drink alcohol, pop pills, eat McDonalds 5 days a week than take a vaccine. A joke.our society is weak as fuck now. bunch of losers
 
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GameBoy27

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It’s already been established that employers cannot force their employees to get vaccinated.
That may be the case, but if you want to go to a theater, concert, travel anywhere etc. you may be prohibited from doing so.

This is going to drive the anti-vaxxers nuts. Can't wait to see them whine like the little babies they are.
 

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If you have been paying attention to the news lately there has been numerous articles about this. Every human rights lawyer in the country has stated this.
 
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It’s already been established that employers cannot force their employees to get vaccinated.
Neither can an employee be forced to employ somebody.
 

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This is going to be a very interesting situation. The last poll I saw shows about 67% of the population will get vaccinated while the remaining 33% either will wait or won’t bother. So business will have to decide if they are willing to lose about 1/3 of their sales if they choose to ban non vaccinated customers.
 

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As an alternative possibility to "vaccination passes" there are "passes" involving:

1. Test positive for C-19 antibodies & prove it
2. Test negative for C-19 & prove it
3. Wear a mask (e.g. N95)
4. Sit in separate smoking, er, non vaccinated, section of pub/bar, restaurant, bank, clinic, airplane, etc
5. Any combination of those above & other safety measures
 

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As an alternative possibility to "vaccination passes" there are "passes" involving:

1. Test positive for C-19 antibodies & prove it
2. Test negative for C-19 & prove it
3. Wear a mask (e.g. N95)
4. Sit in separate smoking, er, non vaccinated, section of pub/bar, restaurant, bank, clinic, airplane, etc
5. Any combination of those above & other safety measures

there is no legal grounds for these tactics lawyers will be busy



TORONTO -- As a potential COVID-19 vaccine gets closer to reality in Canada, so does the reality that as employees who have been working remotely return to their workplaces, there are uncharted legal and ethical waters ahead.

Among the issues to be navigated: Could employers force staff to get vaccinated?

There is no legal precedent for that, say employment lawyers.


“What employers would like employees to do is quite a bit different, though, than what they can require employees to do,” Amy Frankel of Forte Law in Langley, B.C. told CTV Vancouver.

Frankel says given current principles and the state of Canadian law, “it’s safe to say employers probably at this point cannot mandate vaccinations as a condition of their employment.”

“(A)n employer will not be permitted to make a COVID-19 vaccine mandatory as a condition of employment,” Brock Ouellet, an employment lawyer with Samfiru Tumarkin in Ottawa, wrote in a blog.

“Although mandatory vaccination would not be permitted, many employers could strongly suggest that their employees get vaccinated for COVID-19, to decrease the spread of COVID-19 in the workplace.”

Governments and public health officials at the federal and provincial levels have said the COVID-19 vaccine will be voluntary.

“We have no mandatory immunization programs in this country and in this province, and we do not expect COVID immunization will be mandatory either,” said B.C. provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry during a news conference Wednesday.

That’s true even at high-risk workplaces like hospitals and long-term care facilities, Henry said.

“We will be strongly encouraging everybody in those settings to be immunized, and if people are thinking of going into those settings and don’t believe in immunization, then they should look for other things to do,” she said.

Alberta Premier Jason Kenney has vowed to change existing legislation in order to remove any possibility that could allow the province to impose vaccinations.


Schools do require children to be immunized against a number of infectious diseases, but there are exemptions for medical reasons or due to matters of conscience or religious beliefs. If an employer fired an employee who refuses to get a COVID-19 vaccine for such a reason, it could amount to a human rights violation, argues Ouellet.

Kerry Bowman, a bioethicist and a professor at the University of Toronto, says to make a vaccine mandatory is ethically problematic, especially with so many outstanding questions about risks and how much of the population needs to be vaccinated to eradicate the virus.

“Ethically, I’m not a believer in mandatory vaccines. To have something injected into your body that you don’t want or don’t believe is safe is not true informed consent.”

But private companies offering services to customers in congregate settings, such as airlines, restaurants, and sports and entertainment venues, can set their own rules and require proof of vaccination, says Bowman.

“Having the market forces take over is much different than having the state make it mandatory.”

Bowman says he believes it’s likely the necessary number of Canadians will get the shot or shots to protect themselves and others and allow for a return to normal life.

Employers do have an obligation to keep workplaces healthy and safe.

“It is very unlikely that an employer would have grounds to terminate an employee based on their refusal to get a COVID-19 vaccine currently,” wrote Ouellet. “However, if a COVID-19 vaccine was readily available and an employee refused to get the vaccine, the employer could potentially require the employee to be removed from the workplace until the COVID-19 pandemic is contained.”

Some countries already require travellers to have certain vaccines as a condition of entry. The CEO of Australian airline Qantas said passengers will have to provide proof of COVID-19 vaccination.

Airline employees would be a grey area, one of many vaccine-related employment cases that Frankel predicts could end up being fought in court.

“It’s going to be very interesting to see how it all unravels in the courts and in the court of public opinion.”

-with files from Shannon Paterson

Can employers force you to get a COVID-19 vaccine? | CTV News




Nurses in B.C. will no longer be required to receive the flu vaccine or wear a mask in patient care areas, according to the B.C. Nurses' Union (BCNU).

According to a statement from the union, a new agreement was reached with the Health Employers Association of B.C., that "[ensures] the professional judgement of nurses is respected."

It says the new agreement ends the "punitive nature" of the previous policy, and is consistent with the flu prevention efforts released by the Office of the Provincial Health officer.

B.C. nurses no longer need to get flu vaccine or wear masks, can rely on 'professional judgment' | CBC News
 

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This is going to be a very interesting situation. The last poll I saw shows about 67% of the population will get vaccinated while the remaining 33% either will wait or won’t bother. So business will have to decide if they are willing to lose about 1/3 of their sales if they choose to ban non vaccinated customers.
Legal liability might play into that decision making. If the lawyers believe allowing unvaccinated customers puts other customers at risk, the companies will respond.
 

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Legal liability might play into that decision making. If the lawyers believe allowing unvaccinated customers puts other customers at risk, the companies will respond.
But everyone is shopping now without vaccinations so that argument won’t hold.
 

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It’s already been established that employers cannot force their employees to get vaccinated.
It's #FakeNews

Google search the subject line exactly
You get tons of hits from CBC / CTV / etc who ALL erased the story when it came out as fake

That is why OP linked to some totally unknown news source; all the legits closed the story
But OP likes to stir the pot
 

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Once the vaccine is available, we should all stop talking about it. Let people die as they've been doing for years...

I trust Science, so I'll get it; and I want my elderly parents to get it... But I'm not so sure my young, strapping sons need to get it... My wife can be an anti-vaxxer at times. She forgoes meat and eats vegetables too!
 

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Shocked that Elliott, who is also a lawyer, would endorse such an idea, I reached out to her office for confirmation. In a statement, press secretary Alexandra Hilkene said the government is looking at many options for vaccine “tracking and surveillance.

“This includes exploring developing tech-based solutions while also providing for alternative options to ensure equitable access to any potential ‘immunity passport,’” Hilkene said.

That phrase will set off alarm bells and it should, not just for anti-vaxxers, but for anyone who is concerned about Charter rights and governments running roughshod over them.

Several legal experts I spoke with both on and off the record said they will need to see details before knowing how far the government is going. That said, the consensus was that what Elliott described would violate the Charter.

“There are significant privacy provisions if we are allowing private businesses to ask customers to hand over health information,” Zwibel said.

 

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But everyone is shopping now without vaccinations so that argument won’t hold.
Many businesses (grocers, pharmacies, etc) already require one to wear a mask before entering.

In the future they could change that to proof of vaccination etc.

At my dentist they require (or at least ask) i submit to a temperature check.
 
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lenny2

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As an alternative possibility to "vaccination passes" there are "passes" involving:

1. Test positive for C-19 antibodies & prove it
2. Test negative for C-19 & prove it
3. Wear a mask (e.g. N95)
4. Sit in separate smoking, er, non vaccinated, section of pub/bar, restaurant, bank, clinic, airplane, etc
5. Any combination of those above & other safety measures
there is no legal grounds for these tactics lawyers will be busy
Did you even read the article you posted? It said:

"But private companies offering services to customers in congregate settings, such as airlines, restaurants, and sports and entertainment venues, can set their own rules and require proof of vaccination, says Bowman.

“Having the market forces take over is much different than having the state make it mandatory.”
 
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A couple of front line workers had a allergic reaction to the vaccine in the UK. Now they are recommending folks with serious food and drug allergies to not take the shot just yet.

Albeit for anyone else I agree it should be completely mandatory. Over the next several weeks as most of the UK get's pricked, the researchers will learn quite a bit about the Pfizer vaccine. This is an advantage for Canada by the time it's our turn and I can't wait.


The OP quotes of the medical officer & the video of him speaking are fake? I doubt it.
I now look at anything TJ posts as fake.
 
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