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Dutch Oven

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Is it filled with 'theories of fact that appear rational', S?
Do you have a reading disability, such as dyslexia? Serious question. You seem to be unable to read entire phrases, or join the elements of a single phrase together, or understand anything you read. It wouldn't be right to keep pointing out the stupidity of your posts if in fact you are disabled.
 

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Do you have a reading disability, such as dyslexia? Serious question. You seem to be unable to read entire phrases, or join the elements of a single phrase together, or understand anything you read. It wouldn't be right to keep pointing out the stupidity of your posts if in fact you are disabled.
inability to read entire phrases or understand or general stupidity is not the worst problem. Like it didn't stop the current president from performing his duties. Okay maybe it did.
 

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Do you have a reading disability, such as dyslexia? Serious question. You seem to be unable to read entire phrases, or join the elements of a single phrase together, or understand anything you read. It wouldn't be right to keep pointing out the stupidity of your posts if in fact you are disabled.
To quote the venerable 'S'
When something is disputed based on a theory of fact and law that appears rational to me, I chose not to decide what to believe until that conflict is properly investigated and/or litigated, and resolved.
36 pages of your dispute 'based on a theory of fact that appears rationale'.
You sure sound like you've decided what to believe already.
 

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To quote the venerable 'S'


36 pages of your dispute 'based on a theory of fact that appears rationale'.
You sure sound like you've decided what to believe already.
Maybe these ̷d̷e̷g̷e̷n̷e̷r̷a̷t̷e̷s̷ good people should go to Vegas and start disputing every roulette result based on their rational theories.
 
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Dutch Oven

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To quote the venerable 'S'


36 pages of your dispute 'based on a theory of fact that appears rationale'.
You sure sound like you've decided what to believe already.
Okay stupid. No need to for kid gloves. Here it is, more plainly for you. Legal theories are theories based on fact AND law. Exactly what I wrote. Not "theories" of fact, unconnected to law. You lack even rudimentary reading comprehension.

Further, I haven't said what I think the ultimate disposition of these cases should be, or will be. Not even once. Again, you don't know that only because you are either a troll (best guess) or you literally cannot read and comprehend English (which your posts uniformly disclose).

Back to my shorthand.
 

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When something is disputed based on a theory of fact and law that appears rational to me, I chose not to decide what to believe until that conflict is properly investigated and/or litigated, and resolved...
You write clearly... you have command of the subject... I respect that.

But here is where you go off the rails, Dutchie... the word is not "rational"... which so many people think means "theoretically sound" and/or "logical"...

In a court of justice, the word is "probable"... or "plausible"... which takes into consideration not only logic, but also life experience...

The life of the law has not been logic: it has been experience

Perry
 

Dutch Oven

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You write clearly... you have command of the subject... I respect that.

But here is where you go off the rails, Dutchie... the word is not "rational"... which so many people think means "theoretically sound" and/or "logical"...

In a court of justice, the word is "probable"... or "plausible"... which takes into consideration not only logic, but also life experience...

The life of the law has not been logic: it has been experience

Perry
I responded to Justice Holmes a while back in the thread. Maybe you missed it. Quite a bit of crossfire between there and here.

Examination of evidence against either the civil or criminal standard of proof neither requires a decision maker to divorce him or herself from applying logic strictly, nor would the decision making process be improved if he/she did so. As a an example, the civil balance of probabilities test can be expressed as a 51% probability, a proposition that can be evaluated by applying logic to the evidence. The "life experience" you speak of is not so much the experience of the decision maker but a composite of all of our life experiences expressed as data establishing the probable distribution of possible results based on collective observation of human nature.

Throwing it all into a pot where it becomes impossible to define where science ended and magical powers took over, at best, renders legal decision making immune from outside criticism and, at worst, makes legal decision making a total crap shoot unworthy of its protection as a separate branch of government.
 
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Frankfooter

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Okay stupid. No need to for kid gloves. Here it is, more plainly for you. Legal theories are theories based on fact AND law. Exactly what I wrote. Not "theories" of fact, unconnected to law. You lack even rudimentary reading comprehension.

Further, I haven't said what I think the ultimate disposition of these cases should be, or will be. Not even once. Again, you don't know that only because you are either a troll (best guess) or you literally cannot read and comprehend English (which your posts uniformly disclose).

Back to my shorthand.
Name calling will get you banned, S.
Including using shorthand.

You say you argued 'based on theories of fact and law that appear rational to you'.
When pressed you, like Rudy and his team of crack investigators (some now awaiting trial), cannot come up with evidence.
The closest you have are 'theories of fact (and law) that appear rational to you'.
Without evidence its just your feelings.

But when your star witness' drunk testimony is: “I think Chinese all look alike. How can you tell? If some Chow shows up, you can be anybody and you can vote.”
Nobody else is going to say that appears rational to them.
Nor plausible or probable.
Just wacko.

Without evidence and only your hunches you are throwing it all into a pot where it becomes impossible to define where science ended and magical powers took over, at best, renders legal decision making immune from outside criticism and, at worst, makes legal decision making a total crap shoot unworthy of its protection as a separate branch of government.

That's why 39 cases have failed and even Barr says their isn't proof of enough problems to overturn the election.
And James Fields is still in jail.
 

Dutch Oven

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Name calling will get you banned, S.
Including using shorthand.

You say you argued 'based on theories of fact and law that appear rational to you'.
When pressed you, like Rudy and his team of crack investigators (some now awaiting trial), cannot come up with evidence.
The closest you have are 'theories of fact (and law) that appear rational to you'.
Without evidence its just your feelings.

But when your star witness' drunk testimony is: “I think Chinese all look alike. How can you tell? If some Chow shows up, you can be anybody and you can vote.”
Nobody else is going to say that appears rational to them.
Nor plausible or probable.
Just wacko.

Without evidence and only your hunches you are throwing it all into a pot where it becomes impossible to define where science ended and magical powers took over, at best, renders legal decision making immune from outside criticism and, at worst, makes legal decision making a total crap shoot unworthy of its protection as a separate branch of government.

That's why 39 cases have failed and even Barr says their isn't proof of enough problems to overturn the election.
And James Fields is still in jail.
S
 

Dutch Oven

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Election hearing before Georgia Senate:


Atlanta poll workers wait until voting room cleared, and then count ballots taken from suitcases under a table.
 
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Fulton County has voted Democratic in every presidential election since 1876, except 1928 and 1972...you'd almost think they wouldn't have to rig that county.
When you're in that county you're trying to balance off the Republican wins in most of the other counties in the state, and every extra vote helps. If you wait to report until after all those other counties have already reported, you'll know exactly how many votes you'll need.
 

Frankfooter

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No, no, no, FFA.
Its its not about truth or facts.
Its about feelings.
Or more exactly its 'based on theories of fact and law that appear rational to you'.

You don't need to be a legal expert like dutch oven, even if you're representing the POTUS on constitutional issues.
You just need to have some theories of facts that appear rational.

Trump Campaign’s Self-Proclaimed ‘Constitutional Law Attorney’ Has Almost No Relevant Experience
 

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When you're in that county you're trying to balance off the Republican wins in most of the other counties in the state, and every extra vote helps. If you wait to report until after all those other counties have already reported, you'll know exactly how many votes you'll need.
They don't have to balance...Trump's character saw to that.
 

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