Lilly Lollipop -8004- TOFFT My new go to in Durham
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Unfortunately, Lily’s rates and responses are all over the board. Rate changing on the fly and ghosting clients arriving for their scheduled appointment is just not professional and a total time waster.
Great service does not make up for all the bs. Hopefully, she settles down and gets her shit together. Durham can really use a reputable and professional spinner!
And she hasn't replied to me "three" !
She must be bombarded with calls, and can't reply to most of us . It may take quite some time for the rush on her to slow enough that she can reply to all calls to her .
Wait, so an Indy can provide her promised services but still deverses less then an agency girl who delivers on her services????? That logic makes no sense.
Indies have all the overhead expenses that agency girls don’t. We have more risk with less security, we are preyed on more by bad clients then agency girls are because they are given more security, but we deserve less????? She gives a BBBJ, I give a BBBJ, but she should get more. Wow!
And watch that last line I underlined. That type of talk is not allowed on TERB. Check the rules.
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The amount of money you "deserve" for your work has nothing to do with what the client will pay. But Viperdog's comment (whether he realized it or not) is actually about the price of risk.
Look at buying a used car for example. The same car at a reputable dealer will be priced higher than if it were at a fly by night lot down the street. You get to choose whether to pay more to lower your risk of a bad transaction, or to accept more risk in exchange for a lower price. People make this type of choice every day.
This industry isn't much different. The higher the perceived risk, the more of a discount that the market will demand. The agency rate sets the benchmark, if you will. You can assume you will get what it says on the box, and that you have some recourse if the services are not as delivered. Ceteris paribus, a provider who has a good reputation, a website, trusted reviews, a private incall, etc., can command the same rate at an agency or as an indie. Anything that reduces the "sure thing" nature of the agency experience though, increases perceived risk and lowers the amount the market will want to pay for those services.
Let's say, hypothetically, you worked for an agency at $300 an hour, but I haven't seen you yet. Based on my trust of the agency, and your profile etc., I would be willing to pay the agency rate but no higher, so $300/hr is my benchmark rate for "agency Jenesis".
Now, if I saw you advertising as an indie instead, I would consider all the other risk factors that indicate the potential for bad service. Based on this, let's say I calculate a 20% chance of having an unsatisfactory experience. That means I'm only going be interested in "indie Jenesis" at $240/hr or less. I would make a similar calculation when comparing two indies or two agencies as well.
Now before I get flamed to a crisp here, let me be perfectly clear that I don't think you or anyone else should be forced to accept a lower rate just because they're independent. I'm also not saying that what client are willing to pay changes the value of your work. What I am saying is that the escort market prices in perceived risk, just like any other market, and clients respond accordingly.
I’m not going to get into a whole big thing here. There is no point.
His logic makes/made no sense to me. Don’t take the risk if you don’t want too. I get that but to say that indies should be paid less and then want to band the brotherhood together to force lower indie rates is insulting quite frankly.
I get what you are saying and while I disagree with quite a few things. I am willing to leave it there. No flaming for you. I get what you are trying to say, which you stated very politely, even I disagree with some of it. I appreciate the response.
But I put on my asbestos underpants and everything!
I appreciate that you don't want a debate, and I'm not trying to start one, but in the interest of maintaining my own reputation on this board I do want to clarify two things.
I do NOT support Viperdog's assertion that indies should be paid less just because they are indies.
I do NOT support the idea that clients should collude to force prices down.
You can take what I posted anyway you want. Frankly its no skin off my back. When a client goes to an Agency he has about an 80% chance of seeing the lady he thinks he is seeing and getting the services he is expecting. When there is a problem the Agency usually tries to rectify it. When a client sees a lady from Leolist or other such sites he has about a 50% chance of seeing the lady he thinks he is going to see and even less of getting the services he was promised through texting. I in no way said that a "well reviewed" Independent should not be able to seek more for her services as the client has a pretty good idea of what to expect.If you take a good look at the adds on Leolist or other such sites and do your research, most of the adds are very misleading in the pictures posted, the description of the height and weight do not match the pictures posted and then the texts promise services that are not offered or is asking for more after previously agreeing to them. I would be willing to bet that almost all of the members on this board who have taken a chance on these ladies has walked out not satisfied with the services he received or the fact he was rushed out before the agreed upon time was up more than once. As this is a business and the ladies chosen occupation I see no reason that it should not be treated like the real world. I don't know of anyone in the real business world that expects top rates from day one until they have proven themselves. When a lady gets multiple good reviews then she should be able to ask for more. I do not feel that one review should be good enough for such an increase. Personally myself I have had many great experiences with well known Independents whose rates are reasonable and even got to know some of them on a personal level.As far as taking a chance on some of the newer girls that advertise, I would have to admit that some have been nice, but many of them have been a waste of time.
I took your post how you posted it.
This is a much different explanation. It is worded much differently, more detailed and therefore more understandable. Now I get your point totally and you are not pulling some band of brothers power move.
My I humbly suggest next time, making a clear distinction between classified ladies and established indies. Also understand that it is not what a lady should be charging but instead simply your personal fincaial risk limit. Which you are completely entitled to have.
The way I see it, a lady can charge whatever she wants. A client can pay rates at whatever amount he wants. It is hopeful that they match. There will always be clients for the lady and there will always be ladies for the guys. That is the beauty of this industry.
You beat me to it Jenesis.
The only thing I would add is that "classified" and "established" has too much overlap. There are a number of well established indies who still advertise on LL, especially closer to Toronto. And do we consider TERB ads to be classifieds?
It's cleaner to say established vs unknown, in my opinion.
I myself Mates would stay far away look at the tinted cars and suv. Can’t miss them. No thanks. Around Christmas my regular gals tell me this is what happens. No thanks. I’ll pass on the lollypop.
I'm really interested in seeing her, but hearing so many different things about LE and stuff, not sure what to believe. I'm not normally in the area, but I'll be there later this week and I'm really hoping to see her while I'm there
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Bro, you could've parlayed with a 6/49 and probably won at least 5 numbers that day with that luck...
There's half a dozen girls working out of that place at any given time. Are you saying you never see anyone at that location? Maybe next time you're there you could take a few pictures of these cars and put them in an anonymous photo share account so we can all look at them without driving there in person.
Trust me, if there's undercovers there, they aren't looking to pick off johns one by one. Maybe it's an "underage" sting, or some drug issues.
Also - you first brought this up way back on September 23rd, so I'm not sure what Christmas has to do with anything.
I’m saying Mates I don’t care. Never going there again. Simple as that. U can do what u please. Free country mate. I review what I see and experience. I’m not worrying about the haters. I write the reviews according to MY experience.
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