Thousands of scientists urge end to 'devastating' lockdowns

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The World Health Organization has finally confirmed what we (and many experts and studies) have been saying for months – SARS-COV-2 (COVID-19) is no more deadly or dangerous than seasonal flu.

The WHO’s top brass made this announcement during a special session of the WHO’s 34-member executive board on Monday October 5th, it’s just nobody seemed to really understand it.

In fact, they didn’t seem to completely understand it themselves.

At the session, Dr Michael Ryan, the WHO’s Head of Emergencies revealed that they believe roughly 10% of the world has been infected with Sars-Cov-2. This is their “best estimate”, and a huge increase over the number of officially recognised cases (around 35 million).

Dr. Margaret Harris, a WHO spokeswoman, later confirmed the figure, stating it was based on the average results of all the broad seroprevalence studies done around the world.

As much as the WHO were attempting to spin this as a bad thing – Dr Ryan even said it means “the vast majority of the world remains at risk.” – it’s actually good news. And confirms, once more, that the virus is nothing like as deadly as everyone predicted.

The global population is roughly 7.8 billion people, if 10% have been infected that is 780 million cases. The global death toll currently attributed to Sars-Cov-2 infections is 1,061,539.

That’s an infection fatality rate of roughly or 0.14%. Right in line with seasonal flu and the predictions of many experts from all around the world.

0.14% is over 24 times LOWER than the WHO’s “provisional figure” of 3.4% back in March. This figure was used in the models which were used to justify lockdowns and other draconian policies.

In fact, given the over-reporting of alleged Covid deaths, the IFR is likely even lower than 0.14%, and could show Covid to be much less dangerous than flu.

None of the mainstream press picked up on this. Though many outlets reported Dr Ryan’s words, they all attempted to make it a scary headline and spread more panic.

Apparently neither they, nor the WHO, were capable of doing the simple maths that shows us this is good news. And that the Covid sceptics have been right all along.

UPDATE 9/10/20: In the interest of thoroughness, a desire to rely on primary sources, and not depending purely on mainstream sources (which may remove or amend articles), I decided to find the actual video of Dr Ryan’s remarks.

For some reason, although this was an important WHO meeting during an allegedly hyper-serious pandemic, the video is hard to find.

The only place you are able to see it is the WHO’s own website, and even then you have to scrub through almost 6 hours of footage. Well, I did that, and you are welcome.

You can’t embed the WHO’s stream, but I can tell you to go to this page, click “Session 1” and skip to 1:01:33 to hear the exact quote:

“Our current best estimates tell us that about ten percent of the global population may have been infected by this virus. This varies depending on country, it varies from urban to rural, it varies between different groups.”

 

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But doggy you are leaving behind all asymptomatic and untested (so not counting as positive with covid) people. A study in China suspected a factor between 22 and 25. That means for all reported case there is between and 25 more. Of course the more a country is testing this factor goes down, but it still exist. So in reality the death rate is much lower then reported.

Does that matter? Yes and no. Yes because the virus is less fatal then we think. No because it's so fucking contagious that it can really make the health care system collapse if we do not take measures to slow it down. And really there is so many that recover with bad side effect that may stay very long term.

I think we will get back to a more normal life the day they put out quick self testing kit. Saliva testing. I think this will come out before a vaccine. I have been working in the healthcare industry for 20 years (facilitating research). A effective vaccine will not come out until end of 2022 early 2023. But by then we will already have learned to live with it.
That's exactly what I am saying.
I am saying without taken into account the number of people that have had it and it wasn't reported as a case.
I am also saying without taken into account the number of deaths that are related to COVID-19 which have not been reported or in country's that do not have the resources available to be able to do so.
One cannot falsely claim the number of cases are 10X higher yet at the same time claim the number of deaths are actual.

Also this 99.97-99.99% survival rate is non factual, it's nothing more than a Trump talking point that keeps getting parroted by ignorant people.
 
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Canada-man it's good news that the virus is less deadly then we think.

But since when the seasonal Flu sent so many to the hospital? This virus gets so many much sicker then the flu. And the biggest problem... it's a zillion time more contagious.

So such findings by the WHO are important to know but does not help much to reduce hospitalization...
 

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Canada-man it's good news that the virus is less deadly then we think.

But since when the seasonal Flu sent so many to the hospital? This virus gets so many much sicker then the flu. And the biggest problem... it's a zillion time more contagious.
COVID might be more contagious or it might be no one prior to 2020 had immunity. We are seeing the rapid spread precisely because of the latter. Virtually every virus in history spread rapidly through civilizations and slowed when many had contracted the virus and developed immunity. The difference today is global travel and globalization. The cycle of the virus is on an accelerated timeline.

It appears the industrialized countries are counting heavily on a tremendously successful vaccine by early next year. Anything short of that would be a great disappointment and bad strategic planning.
 
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COVID might be more contagious or it might be no one prior to 2020 had immunity. We are seeing the rapid spread precisely because of that.
True. But watch out we know nothing yet about immunity. We hope immunity exist based on other same type of virus but we are not sure at all yet.

It appears the industrialized countries are counting heavily on a tremendously successful vaccine by early next year. Anything short of that would be a great disappointment and bad strategic planning.
It's more complicated than that. AIDS virus still has no vaccine. After 40 year of research and millions dead. Flu vaccines has a success rate between 40 to 60%. We need to take out the political talk behind the vaccine and focus on reality.
 

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Locking people in their homes and saying look how many lives we've saved from traffic accidents as a benefit is something that someone who is mentally challenged would say.
What utter nonsense.

Calling people names like being "mentally challenged" is a losers tactic when they have nothing intelligent to say & have lost the debate.

Do you really think someone whose life is in shambles is thinking, well it did save me from dying in a car crash?
If they are the glass half full positive type of person then they will as anyone should. If they've chosen by their free will to be a loser, then no.

But your remark is irrelevant to the topic & point that the shutdowns saved lives & were the best course of action.
 

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What utter nonsense.

Calling people names like being "mentally challenged" is a losers tactic when they have nothing intelligent to say & have lost the debate.



If they are the glass half full positive type of person then they will as anyone should. If they've chosen by their free will to be a loser, then no.

But your remark is irrelevant to the topic & point that the shutdowns saved lives & were the best course of action.
I'm actually conversing with someone who thinks a benefit of the lockdown is that less people died in car crashes, I'm the mentality challenged one.
 

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About 15,000 scientists and doctors worldwide have signed a newly created document urging an end to pandemic lockdowns, arguing that the policies aimed at curtailing the novel coronavirus have produced “devastating” effects on public health.

The Great Barrington Declaration, which was released Tuesday and continues to gather signatures, was spearheaded by doctors from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford University.

“As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” said the declaration.

The document argued for allowing most people to “live their lives normally to build up immunity through natural infection,” while improving safeguards for the elderly and others at greater risk of death from COVID-19.

“Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people,” said the declaration. “Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.”

They include “lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health—leading to greater excess mortality in years to come.”
The three lead signatories, who authored the declaration in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, are Harvard professor of medicine Dr. Martin Kulldorf; Oxford epidemiologist Dr. Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford Medical School professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

As of Thursday afternoon, the document had been signed by nearly 5,000 medical and public-health scientists; nearly 10,000 medical practitioners, and more than 128,000 “members of the general public,” according to a tally on the website.

The document argued for allowing most people to “live their lives normally to build up immunity through natural infection,” while improving safeguards for the elderly and others at greater risk of death from COVID-19.

“Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people,” said the declaration. “Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.”

They include “lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health—leading to greater excess mortality in years to come.”
The three lead signatories, who authored the declaration in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, are Harvard professor of medicine Dr. Martin Kulldorf; Oxford epidemiologist Dr. Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford Medical School professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

As of Thursday afternoon, the document had been signed by nearly 5,000 medical and public-health scientists; nearly 10,000 medical practitioners, and more than 128,000 “members of the general public,” according to a tally on the website.

“But what I would also say is that it is not possible to rely on an unproven assumption that it is possible for people who are at lower risk, should they contract the virus, to avoid subsequently transmitting it to those who are at a higher risk and would face a higher risks of ending up in hospital, or worse in an intensive care unit,” he said.

U.S. shutdown policies vary from state to state, as well as city to city, with California and Hawaii under some of the toughest restrictions and South Dakota, Idaho and Utah with some of the lightest, according to a WalletHub analysis updated Monday.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom drew double-takes last week when his office tweeted a reminder to those going out to dinner to “keep your mask on in between bites.”

At the other end of the shutdown spectrum is South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, who described lockdowns during a Monday special legislative session as “useless.”

“As you all might imagine, these last seven months have been quite lonely at times,” Ms. Noem said in defense of her hands-off policies. “But earlier this week, one very prominent national reporter sent me a note that said, ‘Governor, if you hadn’t stood against lockdowns, we’d have no proof of just how useless they really have been.’”

More than 36 million people globally have contracted the virus, resulting in more than 1 million deaths, according to Worldometer.
Phillip, the "Washington Times" is a notorious, rightie wingnut fake news website. It's 100% certified bullshit.

You've unerringly sniffed out yet another ripe pile of nonsensical crap.
 

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Phillip, the "Washington Times" is a notorious, rightie wingnut fake news website. It's 100% certified bullshit.

You've unerringly sniffed out yet another ripe pile of nonsensical crap
Your left-wing mainstream media is even worse crap
 

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Canada-man it's good news that the virus is less deadly then we think.

But since when the seasonal Flu sent so many to the hospital? This virus gets so many much sicker then the flu. And the biggest problem... it's a zillion time more contagious.

So such findings by the WHO are important to know but does not help much to reduce hospitalization...



 

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Humanity being killed by COVID 19 because of selfish COVID denier crybabies.

Just keep all your handles straight ok. LOL
squeezer constantly posting insults so what else is new
 

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Just look at the official numbers that we know are inflated, because the government told us so already.

Deaths in Ottawa as of today:

Age
90+: 100
80-89: 116
70-79: 46
60-69: 26
50-59: 7
40-49: 1
30-39: 1
20-29: 0
-20: 0


Are there an excessive number of 80+ year olds going to the bar and to the gym?
 
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Conversely, resolved cases by age group.

90+: 126
80-89: 211
70-79: 214
60-69: 351
50-59: 526
40-49: 573
30-39: 627
20-29: 973
10-19: 437
0-9: 275

People do beat this. Overwhelmingly. Even 90+ year olds have a better than even chance.
 

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