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Thousands of scientists urge end to 'devastating' lockdowns

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About 15,000 scientists and doctors worldwide have signed a newly created document urging an end to pandemic lockdowns, arguing that the policies aimed at curtailing the novel coronavirus have produced “devastating” effects on public health.

The Great Barrington Declaration, which was released Tuesday and continues to gather signatures, was spearheaded by doctors from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford University.

“As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” said the declaration.

The document argued for allowing most people to “live their lives normally to build up immunity through natural infection,” while improving safeguards for the elderly and others at greater risk of death from COVID-19.

“Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people,” said the declaration. “Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.”

They include “lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health—leading to greater excess mortality in years to come.”
The three lead signatories, who authored the declaration in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, are Harvard professor of medicine Dr. Martin Kulldorf; Oxford epidemiologist Dr. Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford Medical School professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

As of Thursday afternoon, the document had been signed by nearly 5,000 medical and public-health scientists; nearly 10,000 medical practitioners, and more than 128,000 “members of the general public,” according to a tally on the website.

The document argued for allowing most people to “live their lives normally to build up immunity through natural infection,” while improving safeguards for the elderly and others at greater risk of death from COVID-19.

“Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people,” said the declaration. “Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.”

They include “lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health—leading to greater excess mortality in years to come.”
The three lead signatories, who authored the declaration in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, are Harvard professor of medicine Dr. Martin Kulldorf; Oxford epidemiologist Dr. Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford Medical School professor Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

As of Thursday afternoon, the document had been signed by nearly 5,000 medical and public-health scientists; nearly 10,000 medical practitioners, and more than 128,000 “members of the general public,” according to a tally on the website.

“But what I would also say is that it is not possible to rely on an unproven assumption that it is possible for people who are at lower risk, should they contract the virus, to avoid subsequently transmitting it to those who are at a higher risk and would face a higher risks of ending up in hospital, or worse in an intensive care unit,” he said.

U.S. shutdown policies vary from state to state, as well as city to city, with California and Hawaii under some of the toughest restrictions and South Dakota, Idaho and Utah with some of the lightest, according to a WalletHub analysis updated Monday.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom drew double-takes last week when his office tweeted a reminder to those going out to dinner to “keep your mask on in between bites.”

At the other end of the shutdown spectrum is South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, who described lockdowns during a Monday special legislative session as “useless.”

“As you all might imagine, these last seven months have been quite lonely at times,” Ms. Noem said in defense of her hands-off policies. “But earlier this week, one very prominent national reporter sent me a note that said, ‘Governor, if you hadn’t stood against lockdowns, we’d have no proof of just how useless they really have been.’”

More than 36 million people globally have contracted the virus, resulting in more than 1 million deaths, according to Worldometer.




 

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A little look into the idiots behind this


Jokes!
" Other experts argue that allowing COVID-19 to spread uncontrollably would lead to unnecessary deaths, illness and hospitalizations, even if the U.S. attempted to isolate vulnerable people from the rest of the population while the virus spreads.

"... William Hanage, an associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard who noted that most experts are not pushing for continuous lockdowns everywhere all the time, agreed that a better job needs to be done of handling the unintended economic and social consequences of public health measures but argued that speeding up herd immunity without a vaccine is not the answer and could also overwhelm hospitals.

“It’s quite dangerous, for multiple reasons,” he said.

"If you do this, you’ll get more infections, more hospitalizations and more deaths," he added.


The mainstream view of epidemiologists and public health experts, including the nation’s top infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and the World Health Organization, is that the best way to get through COVID-19 and protect people who are at risk for serious illness is to not get sick in the first place by wearing masks and practicing social distancing.

While young people are far less likely to become seriously ill or die from COVID-19, they’re still capable of spreading the disease to people who will become very sick or die.

...Hanage questioned the ability to successfully cordon off the most vulnerable and protect them from getting infected, noting that the White House recently became the site of a superspreading event involving the president, despite having regular access to testing that the average American does not.

"The greatest risk of introduction to the most vulnerable communities will be when the rate of infection is really high in younger age groups," Hanage said.

“How would you keep the virus out if 10 percent of the younger population is infected at peak prevalence and with tests that cannot keep the virus out of the White House?” he added.

... Questions also remain about how long immunity from COVID-19 lasts after infection and whether people can become sick more than once. It’s also not known what percentage of the population needs to be infected with COVID-19 before herd immunity is accomplished.

Gregg Gonsalves, an assistant professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Medicine, tweeted in response to the declaration that a large number of people vulnerable to severe COVID-19 illness don’t live in nursing homes, including 50 percent of all Americans who have some sort of underlying health condition. He added that surges in cases among young people have already likely led to deaths of older, more vulnerable people, despite efforts to protect them.

“If you’re going to turbo-charge community spread, as everyone else at ‘low-risk’ goes about their business, I want the plan for my 86-year-old mother to be more than theoretical,” he said.
 

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What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
 

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Many kids & young people's lives have already been saved due to the worldwide lockdowns.

Because motor vehicle accident deaths are the #1 leading worldwide cause of death in such.

"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens."

https://www.google.com/search?q=lead...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.4

"...Road traffic injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age. More people now die in road traffic crashes than from HIV/AIDS.4"

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/...nd%20cyclists.
 

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What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
what a bunch of crap, younger generations are going to be left a smouldering ruin of an economy that will last for decades.
 

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What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
You used the word probably too much to be taken seriously. It has been verified that divorces and domestic assaults rose dramatically during lockdown. Your post is nonsense, these are all artificial benefits made up by you, pure fiction.
 
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Covid is like the blm bullshit. The millions of successful, non criminal blacks get ignored and everyone focuses on the hood rat thugs. Everyone ignores the 99.7% of people who recover from covid and focus on the few that unfortunately die.
 

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You used the word probably too much to be taken seriously. It has been verified that divorces and domestic assaults rose dramatically during lockdown. Your post is nonsense, these are all artificial benefits made up by you, pure fiction.
Lame. Use your brain & common sense. Is this "pure fiction":

Many kids & young people's lives have already been saved due to the worldwide lockdowns.

Because motor vehicle accident deaths are the #1 leading worldwide cause of death in such.

"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens."

https://www.google.com/search?q=lead...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.4

"...Road traffic injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age. More people now die in road traffic crashes than from HIV/AIDS.4"

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/...nd%20cyclists.
 

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Everyone ignores the 99.7% of people who recover from covid and focus on the few that unfortunately die.
Nonsense. Do you listen to social media lies & ignore science & health expertise. Many that don't die from C-19 suffer horribly:

"I was infected with coronavirus in March, six months on I’m still unwell

Charlie Russell, 27, is one of an estimated 600,000 people with post-Covid illness, a condition that may give an insight into ME

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-still-unwell

 

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what a bunch of crap, younger generations are going to be left a smouldering ruin of an economy that will last for decades.
Who told you that? Nostradumass?

"BMO forecasts full recovery of Canadian economy next year":


If C-19 had been allowed to spread many would have been unable to work, many for long term, & many businesses would have been shutdown anyway, many permanently. Many more would have died which also puts people out of work. Hospitals would have been overwhelmed which means more dead & more suffering serious illness.
 
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Lame. Use your brain & common sense. Is this "pure fiction":

Many kids & young people's lives have already been saved due to the worldwide lockdowns.

Because motor vehicle accident deaths are the #1 leading worldwide cause of death in such.

"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens."

https://www.google.com/search?q=lead...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.4

"...Road traffic injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age. More people now die in road traffic crashes than from HIV/AIDS.4"

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/...nd%20cyclists.
Locking people in their homes and saying look how many lives we've saved from traffic accidents as a benefit is something that someone who is mentally challenged would say.

Do you really think someone whose life is in shambles is thinking, well it did save me from dying in a car crash?
 

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Covid is like the blm bullshit. The millions of successful, non criminal blacks get ignored and everyone focuses on the hood rat thugs. Everyone ignores the 99.7% of people who recover from covid and focus on the few that unfortunately die.
Incorrect
9,600+ dead in Canada
1,080,000+ dead across the world
The above numbers are with preventive measures in place, and they most certainly would have been significantly higher had these measures not been taken.

These are not a “few that unfortunately die”
These are substantial number of deaths.

The Coronavirus certainly does not currently have a survival rate of 99.97% or whatever the “Stable Genius” and his followers claim, when it’s all done it should be close to or slightly lower than 99% but even that number will be dependant on people’s response to the virus.
The issue is when we already have a very contagious virus that has already affected 37,000,000+ cases across the world in roughly 10 months with mostly preventive measures in place that represents not only a significant numbers of people affected but a significant threat.
 
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Incorrect
9,600+ dead in Canada
1,080,000+ dead across the world
The above numbers are with preventive measures in place, and they most certainly would have been significantly higher had these measures not been taken.

These are not a “few that unfortunately die”
These are substantial number of deaths.

The Coronavirus certainly does not currently have a survival rate of 99.97% or whatever the “Stable Genius” and his followers claim, when it’s all done it should be close to or slightly lower than 99% but even that number will be dependant on people’s response to the virus.
The issue is when we already have a very contagious virus that has already affected 37,000,000+ cases across the world in roughly 10 months with mostly preventive measures in place that represents not only a significant numbers of people affected but a significant threat.
Wrong, the amount of people infected is most likely 10x that number as they have no idea they had it. 1,000,000/370,000,000 = .0037%
Plus they said up to 50% were infected at home during lockdown. Go back under your covers. I would estimate that up to 30% didn't even die form covid.
 

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Wrong, the amount of people infected is most likely 10x that number as they have no idea they had it. 1,000,000/370,000,000 = .0037%
Plus they said up to 50% were infected at home during lockdown. Go back under your covers. I would estimate that up to 30% didn't even die form covid.
Incorrect Again
The current number of cases is what’s reported,
Just like the current number of deaths are what’s reported.
These numbers are not taken into account the number of excess deaths nor the number of cases that have not been reported.

You can assume all you want what the number of cases currently are but at the same time ignoring the important fact of excess deaths.
Number of cases currently is 37,000,000+
Deaths 1,080,000+

When it’s all done it should be close to or slightly lower than 99% but even that number will be very dependant on people’s response to the virus.
 
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Incorrect Again
The current number of cases is what’s reported,
Just like the current number of deaths are what’s reported.
These numbers are not taken into account the number of excess deaths nor the number of cases that have not been reported.

You can assume all you want what the number of cases currently are but at the same time ignoring the important fact of excess deaths.
Number of cases currently is 37,000,000+
Deaths 1,080,000+

When it’s all done it should be close to or slightly lower than 99% but even that number will be very dependant on people’s response to the virus.
But doggy you are leaving behind all asymptomatic and untested (so not counting as positive with covid) people. A study in China suspected a factor between 22 and 25. That means for all reported case there is between and 25 more. Of course the more a country is testing this factor goes down, but it still exist. So in reality the death rate is much lower then reported.

Does that matter? Yes and no. Yes because the virus is less fatal then we think. No because it's so fucking contagious that it can really make the health care system collapse if we do not take measures to slow it down. And really there is so many that recover with bad side effect that may stay very long term.

I think we will get back to a more normal life the day they put out quick self testing kit. Saliva testing. I think this will come out before a vaccine. I have been working in the healthcare industry for 20 years (facilitating research). A effective vaccine will not come out until end of 2022 early 2023. But by then we will already have learned to live with it.
 
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