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NYC IS DEAD FOREVER… HERE’S WHY

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A very interesting take on the state of affairs in the big apple.
 
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Good article
 

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This is very sad if true. I was hoping one day to visit this beautiful city I keep hearing about based on my bucket TDL list.
 
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Interesting article, in just eight months after the New York New Years apple dropped, major irreversible devastation of a way of life has happened and continues to happen. People can plan to move out of New York City if they wish and others will move in as the world is a big dynamic place with several moving parts. Fleeing to Arizona is it the answer for some, maybe but the virus likes Arizona just as much as it likes New York City. It will be a somber New Years Eve in the Big Apple next time around as the Covid-19 virus has kneecapped the pillars of the city in a way more devastating that 9-11 did.
 

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Good read but I think overly pessimistic. It will be a longer recovery for some sectors but once a vaccine hits it will come back.
 

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Similar situation in SF and LA. I hope they don't end up like Chicago or Baltimore or Detroit.
 

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Somewhat relevant video on the absolute state of NEW YORK CITY!

 

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Ah yes,.... the magic of a vaccine...... there is no other way!!!!
Well yes.

I Believe in science. But just as important is the psychological factor in giving people confidence. The virus hopefully will also mutate "down" from deadly to more standard flu type.

In the meantime I'm masked up, avoiding public places with too many people, sanitizing and playing safe.

I've seen the list of after affects on some who get it, and lost an old high school friend to it. I prefer to be healthy thanks.
 

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In 2008, average bandwidth speeds were 3 megabits per second. That’s not enough for a Zoom meeting with reliable video quality. Now, it’s over 20 megabits per second. That’s more than enough for high-quality video.

There’s a before and after. BEFORE: No remote work. AFTER: Everyone can work remotely.

The difference: bandwidth got faster. And that’s basically it. People have left New York City and have moved completely into virtual worlds. The Time-Life Building doesn’t need to fill up again. Wall Street can now stretch across every street instead of just being one building in Manhattan.

We are officially AB: After Bandwidth. And for the entire history of NYC (the world) until now, we were BB: Before Bandwidth.

Remote learning, remote meetings, remote offices, remote performance, remote everything.



The above is a interesting point. COVID really has accelerated by years the notion of the remote workplace and the longer COVID goes on the greater the change it seems like. Whereas before, remote work was a meandering path and a conflicted path. Some offices offered remote work, others didn't or some sort of hodge podge of the two was the norm. Remote was for a lot of office workers/employers last Spring an unknown or seen with apprehension/fear and yet people and offices all leaped prepared or unprepared. No doubt a few eggs were smashed in the process and more than a few are likely sporting a crack or two. But collectively we all made a giant leap. Whether you view that as a good thing or a bad thing I guess boils down to your perspectives and circumstances. Two office workers sharing a 1000 sq ft condo with a young kid, these past months have been hell? For a single, guy with a house and access to nature and a normal social life, well I'm thrilled with less time wasted commuting. I look across the lake at Toronto and think yeah, you're okay to visit but I'm not sad I don't see you every day.

I guess the real question is, where do we go from here? Are we going back to the office or are we marching off down a different path? Does it make sense to go back? Where I am now all of us have had some challenges adapting, some more so than others (first time working remote for a few), but we have all managed to work through the challenges or around them or are in the process of addressing them. Personally I don't think I'm going back to the office. Mid-March was the last time I went near my work office and there's been no interest by co-workers and even owners to go back to the office or to even come up with some timelines.
 

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Good read but I think overly pessimistic. It will be a longer recovery for some sectors but once a vaccine hits it will come back.
It always comes back, but many changes will come with it. Maybe it's in a fifteen year downward cycle like the 70s and 80s. Some of you don't like the hard reality that business pays the bills. Even if people come back to their offices, what happens when all those foreign or out-of-state owners who buy expensive properties and pay high property taxes leave.

People can envy the wealthy to the point of being destructive, but you kind of need wealthy people in a large city.

PS- De Blasio will be voted out.
 

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That is so sad. For 10 years of my life I traveled to NYC on a regular basis. Enjoyed the seedy and sleaze that was 42nd Street. Was almost mugged twice.

Hopped on an NYC bus once but didn't have a token and the driver was not allowed to take cash. Not one but two ladies behind me offered to pay my fare. I offered her $5 but she politely declined.

In the aftermath of 9/11, our company mandated that a certain number of staff worked from home and/or at a secret offsite location so that a maniac crashing a plane into our office building wouldn't kill all our staff.

The U.S. military has a policy that there will always be nucleur armed submarines at sea in case a foreign power were to attack the homeland. Those submarines would wreck havoc on the attacker nation.
 

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In the aftermath of 9/11, our company mandated that a certain number of staff worked from home and/or at a secret offsite location so that a maniac crashing a plane into our office building wouldn't kill all our staff.
The company I was with at the time didn't have a secret location but I do remember once flying resumed the executive team were barred from traveling together on the same plane. Also max of 4 people from the company on the same plane. There was something else too about not using large SUVs and the mini-buses.
 

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I've been to NYC and would never want to go back. Personally I think it's a sewer.
 

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Lmao stupid clickbait article. Metropolises have been a thing for thousands of years. They're not going anywhere. A vaccine happens and you will see a mad dash to the big cities again.
 

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Used to live in NYC and it's a wonderful place, and it will always be there unless some nuclear thing contaminates the city. Sure, there are issues living in a giant city but there is a buzz that is addictive.
 
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In 2008, average bandwidth speeds were 3 megabits per second. That’s not enough for a Zoom meeting with reliable video quality. Now, it’s over 20 megabits per second. That’s more than enough for high-quality video.

There’s a before and after. BEFORE: No remote work. AFTER: Everyone can work remotely.

The difference: bandwidth got faster. And that’s basically it. People have left New York City and have moved completely into virtual worlds. The Time-Life Building doesn’t need to fill up again. Wall Street can now stretch across every street instead of just being one building in Manhattan.

We are officially AB: After Bandwidth. And for the entire history of NYC (the world) until now, we were BB: Before Bandwidth.

Remote learning, remote meetings, remote offices, remote performance, remote everything.



The above is a interesting point. COVID really has accelerated by years the notion of the remote workplace and the longer COVID goes on the greater the change it seems like. Whereas before, remote work was a meandering path and a conflicted path. Some offices offered remote work, others didn't or some sort of hodge podge of the two was the norm. Remote was for a lot of office workers/employers last Spring an unknown or seen with apprehension/fear and yet people and offices all leaped prepared or unprepared. No doubt a few eggs were smashed in the process and more than a few are likely sporting a crack or two. But collectively we all made a giant leap. Whether you view that as a good thing or a bad thing I guess boils down to your perspectives and circumstances. Two office workers sharing a 1000 sq ft condo with a young kid, these past months have been hell? For a single, guy with a house and access to nature and a normal social life, well I'm thrilled with less time wasted commuting. I look across the lake at Toronto and think yeah, you're okay to visit but I'm not sad I don't see you every day.

I guess the real question is, where do we go from here? Are we going back to the office or are we marching off down a different path? Does it make sense to go back? Where I am now all of us have had some challenges adapting, some more so than others (first time working remote for a few), but we have all managed to work through the challenges or around them or are in the process of addressing them. Personally I don't think I'm going back to the office. Mid-March was the last time I went near my work office and there's been no interest by co-workers and even owners to go back to the office or to even come up with some timelines.
i think if covid taught us anything is that if you can do your job from home on the computer, then you can be replaced by someone cheaper overseas.

sad but true
 

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i think if covid taught us anything is that if you can do your job from home on the computer, then you can be replaced by someone cheaper overseas.

sad but true
Yes and No. If anything, working in IT has shown me outsourcing can be a total shit-show especially if it's B2B related. There's not a lot tolerance for poor results - 2 or 3 poor projects and on-shoring shifts into focus. B2C you can get away with sub-par support much more than B2B since consumers are just used to it.
 
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Yes and No. If anything, working in IT has shown me outsourcing can be a total shit-show especially if it's B2B related. There's not a lot tolerance for poor results - 2 or 3 poor projects and on-shoring shifts into focus. B2C you can get away with sub-par support much more than B2B since consumers are just used to it.
I understand that. However the bean counters in charge won’t see that. In time the accountants always win and those jobs will disappear across the ocean
 
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