75 year anniversary of Hiroshima bombing

jerimander

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I guess it's appropriate they had that huge, mushroom-shaped explosion in Beirut to mark the anniversary.
 
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I always laugh when I hear an American President stand up and tell the world who can and who can't have nuclear weapons. America, the only country in history to drop not 1 but 2 nuclear weapons on another country,civilians at that.
Yet the Americans keep making more and more nukes.
 

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I always laugh when I hear an American President stand up and tell the world who can and who can't have nuclear weapons. America, the only country in history to drop not 1 but 2 nuclear weapons on another country,civilians at that.
Yet the Americans keep making more and more nukes.
I don't blame him, the idea of countries like Pakistan, Iran, North Korea concerns me more than the US having them.
 

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I don't blame him, the idea of countries like Pakistan, Iran, North Korea concerns me more than the US having them.
Why is that? The ONLY country that have used nuclear weapons is USA. And Trump is forever threatening other countries with using nuclear weapons.
 

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Why is that? The ONLY country that have used nuclear weapons is USA. And Trump is forever threatening other countries with using nuclear weapons.
Why is that? Because the US used the bomb 75 years ago and it was part of the reason the war ended. You hate the Americans and you supported crazy countries like North Korea that have attacked South Korea repeatedly.
 
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I don't blame him, the idea of countries like Pakistan, Iran, North Korea concerns me more than the US having them.
And those countries have them because the US has proven they are more than willing to use them. The Japanese bombed a military base and in retaliation the US bombed civilians, twice.
I wouldn't trust that crack pot Trump as far as I can throw him.He is more mentally unstable then NK,China,Pakistan leaders combined.
 

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The two A-bombs meant that the allies didn't have to retake Singapore, Hong Kong and China by force.

100,000 civilians were killed by the enemy in retaking Manila. That is on top of the 30 million civilians killed by the enemy in China and the rest of Asia.
 

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The two A-bombs meant that the allies didn't have to retake Singapore, Hong Kong and China by force.

100,000 civilians were killed by the enemy in retaking Manila. That is on top of the 30 million civilians killed by the enemy in China and the rest of Asia.
They were plain and simple war crimes.

 

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Yes it was a war crime but it's unclear if the Japanese would have surrendered. The stands in Iwo Jima and Okinawa didn't suggest it. The USSR was closing in,while the bombs were being dropped the Soviet Red Army established a beach head on Hokkaido, that's when they decided they were better off with the Americans. Stalin feared MacArthur which is why he evacuated the island.
 

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Yes it was a war crime but it's unclear if the Japanese would have surrendered. The stands in Iwo Jima and Okinawa didn't suggest it. The USSR was closing in,while the bombs were being dropped the Soviet Red Army established a beach head on Hokkaido, that's when they decided they were better off with the Americans. Stalin feared MacArthur which is why he evacuated the island.
It is clear that the Japanese wanted to surrender. The bombs were dropped for the benefit of the Soviet Union.
 

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It is clear that the Japanese wanted to surrender. The bombs were dropped for the benefit of the Soviet Union.
Ain't it grand! While Roy Cohn (Donato's mentor) was aggressively working to send the Rosenberg's to the electric chair, Bruno Pontecorvo (Enrico Fermi's prodigy) had been working with Andrei Sakharov for years.
 

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The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an act of premeditated mass murder that unleashed a weapon of intrinsic criminality. It was justified by lies that form the bedrock of America’s war propaganda in the 21st century, casting a new enemy, and target – China.

During the 75 years since Hiroshima, the most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and to save lives.

“Even without the atomic bombing attacks,” concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, “air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion. “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that … Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war [against Japan] and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”

The National Archives in Washington contains documented Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the U.S. made clear the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including “capitulation even if the terms were hard”. Nothing was done.

The U.S. Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was “fearful” that the U.S. Air Force would have Japan so “bombed out” that the new weapon would not be able “to show its strength”. Stimson later admitted that “no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the [atomic] bomb”.

Stimson’s foreign policy colleagues — looking ahead to the post-war era they were then shaping “in our image”, as Cold War planner George Kennan famously put it — made clear they were eager “to browbeat the Russians with the [atomic] bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip”. General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the atomic bomb, testified: “There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis.”

 

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Gratuitous Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: 75th Anniversary of the High Crimes

by Stephen Lendman

In his book titled “You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train,” historian Howard Zinn, a WW II European theater bombardier, explained the following:

“Hiroshima and Royan (France) were crucial in my gradual rethinking of what I had once accepted without question—the absolute morality of the war against fascism,” adding:

“I had become aware, both from the rethinking of my war experiences and my reading of history, of how the environment of war begins to make one side indistinguishable from the other.”

Another US warplane crew member told Zinn the following:

“You know, this is not a war against fascism. It’s a war for empire.”

“England, the United States, the Soviet Union—they are all corrupt states, not morally concerned about Hitlerism, just wanting to run the world themselves. It’s an imperialist war.”

Zinn never forgot the above remarks. Following the defeat of Nazi Germany, he recalled the following headline:

“ATOMIC BOMB DROPPED ON JAPANESE CITY OF HIROSHIMA. WAR’S END EXPECTED.”

John Hersey’s book titled “Hiroshima” made Zinn aware of the US horrors inflicted on the city — “what we had done to a city of civilians, to old people and to schoolchildren.”

Nuking the city was a US atrocity at a time when Japan was defeated and wanted to surrender. See below.

Zinn described “our atrocity, when dazed, burnt civilians, their flesh hanging, their eyeballs out of their sockets, their limbs torn from their bodies, walked in a stupor through the eerie remains of their flattened city under a drizzle of radioactive vapor” — what the dawn of the atomic age was all about at the time.

It had nothing to do with winning the war in the Pacific already won months earlier.

Hersey wrote that on August 6, 1945, over “(a) hundred thousand people were killed by the atomic bomb.”

Survivors “wonder(ed) why they lived when so many others died.”

In 1966, Zinn and his wife visited Hiroshima at the invitation of a Japanese peace group dedicated to eliminating nuclear weapons.

They met survivors of what happened — “some without legs, others without arms, some with sockets for eyes, or with horrible burns on their faces and bodies.”

Asked to say a few words, Zinn was overwhelmed with emotion and couldn’t speak.

Hiroshima and Royan he bombed aboard a US warplane changed his thinking about the so-called “morality of the war against fascism.”

Civilians suffer most in all wars. No such thing as just war exists.

In his book titled “The Good War: An Oral History of World War II,” oral historian Studs Terkel explained the horrors of the most devastating war in history.

Tens of millions of corpses attested to its barbarity by all sides, Terkel saying:

The second world war to end all future ones “warped our view of how we look at things today…the notion” of just war to justify waging them.

This “twisted memory encourages (people) to be willing, almost eager, to use military force” against other nations.

Wars are never just or good. In the nuclear age they’re “lunatic” acts – horrific by any standard.

In February 1945, Japan wanted to surrender, asking only to retain its emperor.

Roosevelt wanted war continued. So did Truman after FDR’s April 1945 death.

Big Lies and deception define all wars. Truth-telling would defeat reasons for waging them.

Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unjustifiably justified by falsely claiming these actions hastened war’s end and saved lives.

Japan was defeated months earlier. Before both cities were nuked, War Secretary Henry Stimson briefed General Dwight Eisenhower, saying:

“Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb(s) w(ere) completely unnecessary.”

After the gratuitous bombings, Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral William Leahy called the atom bomb “a barbarous weapon. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.”

Clearly, nuking both cities was unrelated to military necessity.

At least 200,000 died, many others scarred for life, future generations to this day harmed by radiologically caused birth defects and other serious health problems.

Harry Truman falsely claimed that nuking both cities “destroyed (their use) to the enemy (sic),” adding:

“It was to spare the Japanese people from (further) utter destruction (sic).”

“If they do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the likes of which has never been seen on this earth.”

Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unrelated to winning an already won war.

US military commanders got to use their new weapons of mass destruction in real time by immolating defenseless civilians.

Their use was also all about displaying America’s might to Soviet Russia.

Its leadership and military were well aware of America’s new super-weapon, involved in developing their own.

During the final months of WW II in the Pacific, Tokyo and around five dozen other Japanese cities were gratuitously fire-bombed, tens of thousands of Japanese civilian perishing in the firestorms, countless others injured, hundreds of thousands left homeless.

In February 1945, General Douglas MacArthur sent Franklin Roosevelt a 40-page summary of Japan’s sought surrender terms.

Virtually unconditional, its ruling authorities accepted occupation, agreed to cease hostilities, remove all troops from occupied territories, submit to criminal war trials, and allow its industries to be regulated.

In return, they asked only to retain their emperor in an honorable capacity.

What Roosevelt and Truman rejected was accepted by the US months later — mass murder and vast destruction occurring in the interim.

Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with firebombing Japanese cities, were high crimes of war and against humanity.

Endless US wars against invented enemies occurred throughout most of the post-WW II period.

Countless millions perished from wars, related violence, starvation, untreated illnesses, and overall deprivation.

Zinn stressed that nuking “Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unforgivable atrocities.”

These actions were “perpetrated on a Japan ready to surrender…a wanton act of gargantuan cruelty (not) an unavoidable necessity.”

What “could be more horrible than the burning, mutilation, blinding, irradiation of hundreds of thousands of Japanese men, women, and children?”

Time and again, both wings of the US war party justify what’s unjustifiable in pursuing their imperial aims.

Is another global war to end all future ones inevitable?

Will thermonukes be used one day that if detonated in enough numbers can kill us all?

Things are more dangerous now than at any previous time in the post-WW II period.

In January, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved its Doomsday Clock closer than ever to midnight — signifying a man-made global catastrophe if reaches this level.

The threat of a new nuclear arms race looms.

“It is now 100 seconds to midnight, the most dangerous situation that humanity has ever faced,” said the Bulletin.

Will thermonuclear war occur in our lifetime? Will humanity be consumed by nuclear madness?

Are bipartisan US policymakers too hellbent for unchallenged global dominance for reason to triumph over potential nuclear immolation?
 

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Obviously, they just wanted to try it out . What more deserving target than Japan. I imagine anyone who had first hand experience dealing with the Japanese army would have felt, they had it coming. Payback time bitches. They would have used it on us.
Just watched a documentary on it. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were visited by US forces shortly after the smoke cleared to film and assess damage. The survivors were left to starve. The gangsters and opportunists moved in and children were taken away to become child prostitutes in other parts of Japan.
Now the world is a much better place though.....
 
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The people that were living (those not already killed) in countries invaded and occupied by Imperial Japan were really upset that the two A-bombs were dropped and prevented the war from dragging on for another 2-3 or more years. Ok, being sarcastic here.
 

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Just realized via facebook. The explosion in Beirut was on the 75th anniversary of Hiroshima. coincidence?.........
 

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Just realized via facebook. The explosion in Beirut was on the 75th anniversary of Hiroshima. coincidence?.........

Hiroshima was August 6, 1945, and the Beirut explosion was on August 4, 2020, which is 74 years and 363 days difference , not 75 years latter ! So it looks there is no correlation between the two events although the conspiracy theorist may find something as they always so.
 
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