The force policy should state that if someone is under arrest, they should be allowed to resist arrest, they should be allowed to endanger the lives of officers, and then they should be allowed to get back into their cars drunk so they can kill innocent people on the drive home.
Another black man killed by a cop in Atlanta trying to escape arrest
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These Atlanta cops were clearly following their training and actually being "good cops" up until one of them made a rash, very rash and bad decision to shoot and kill the fleeing black man in the back from a distance of 8- 10 feet and then to compound his most likely criminal decision and their bad decisions, left him on the pavement for 2 minutes and put on latex gloves to pick up shell casing which is obstruction justice.
His, his partner's or anyone else's lives were not under immediate threat of death or grievous bodily harm when the decision was made to shoot the black man in the back from a distance of 8 - 10 feet. Case law, police policy, and even the manufacturer have found and state that "tasers are not lethal weapons". So to make a defence that cop feared for his life, his partner's or anyone else's life at the moment he shot the black man in the back from a distance of 8 -10 feet is simply not beyond a reasonable doubt. Remember they are supposed to be trained in use of force, in deescalation techniques and in decision making in these types of encounters.
Simple fact is why would a complaint of a black man sleeping in a parking lot lead to the shooting and killing of that black man in the back at a distance of 8 -10 feet not withstanding that they left that black man unattended on the pavement for 2 minutes and that they put on latex gloves to pick shell casings and thus obstructed justice?
Something very wrong with policing that allowed this to happen here, there and everywhere now, back then, way back then and ad infinitum.
I have never heard of that happening, letting. Letting a guy go home and arresting him for DUI a few days later. What if he gets drunk again the next day and kills someone. Then what?
Because the car that he was sleeping in was blocking the parking lot, that's why LE was called.
Justified shooting, as others have said, he could have incapacitated the cop by using the taser and taking his gun and shoot both officers and any innocent bystanders.
Yes you are correct!
So the only recourse they have to stopping that black man from getting drunk again the next day and possibly killing someone is to shoot him in the back and killing him from a distance of 8 -10 feet and then leaving him on the pavement for 2 minutes before attending to him and then putting on latex gloves to pick up shell casings and thus obstructing justice.
There was no other reasonable course of police action that could have been employed except killing the guy?
This is a tough one. He assaulted both officers. Stole his taser, then started running, the turns and fires the taser. That's the critical point. It's a heat of the moment situation. If a cop sees a weapon being pointed at him, his instinct is to fire. I don't know why they can't try and shoot someone in the leg so it's not fatal. I disagree that he wasn't a danger, not so much to the cops but to the greater public. Here's the scenario. He might have been under the influence so not thinking clearly and has assaulted police and stole a taser. If they let him run away and wait for back up many things can happen. Because of what he's done he could be desperate. He could try and take someone car's to get away and if he's under the influence who knows how many people he could have hurt or killed trying to flee. It's not black and white like the George Floyd death was. There is a lot of grey here.
They are going to need better wording on justified use of force. I look at that video and I see a fully justifiable shooting. I can't understand how someone can say it was a bad shooting and I will never be convinced otherwise. I can't see how the fired officer isn't going to make a ton of money on a wrongful dismissal suit. Yet on CNN you have people condemning the shooting and people saying he should be fired. To me, they are going to need to break down every possible scenario (which is virtually impossible) and state whether or not you can shoot. It's only fair for the cops who are only human beings and need some clarity on this issue.
e.g. criminal steals your taser and fires at you-you must not discharge your weapon.
One thing to me is clear...if a criminal is allowed to take your taser and fire it at you and you're not allowed to shoot him, coppers deserve a much greater salary. It is an impossible job right now.
e.g. criminal steals your taser and fires at you-you must not discharge your weapon.
One thing to me is clear...if a criminal is allowed to take your taser and fire it at you and you're not allowed to shoot him, coppers deserve a much greater salary. It is an impossible job right now.
Did I say that was their only recourse? I was responding to how his ridiculous his idea was.
Cops should carry tape measures to make sure assailants are within 8 feet before taking action.
That would have been to comply with a simple arrest and live out the rest of one's days in peace and happiness.
The idea of fighting two armed officers just doesn't seem reasonable where I'm from.
But the black man didn't incapacitate the cop by using the taser, did not take his gun, did not shoot both officers nor any innocent bystander.
The cop, both cops, bystanders were not under immediate or imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm when the cop made that rash, very rash and bad decision to shoot that black man in the back from a distance of 8 - 10 feet and compounded his and their rash, bad decision and possible criminal decision making process by leaving that black man on the pavement for 2 minutes before attending to him and putting on latex gloves to pickup the shell casing thus obstructing justice.
Give me a break! The cop was fired on after struggling to detain a violent man. I'm surprised they didn't put him down after he took one of the stunt guns and aimed at them. The guy got what he deserved for being stupid enough to DUI then fall asleep in the drive through then resist arrest then aim and finally fire a stunt gun at an officer.
I've seen many killings by police over the years and what I've discovered is the following:
If you're not committing a crime, if you do not have a weapon, if you're not hostile, and if you do not resist arrest... your odds of being killed by a police officer drops to near zero. This goes for anyone regardless of skin color. This is a good finding and one that we should hope to expect.
Accidents happen but they're even more rare.
If you're not committing a crime, if you do not have a weapon, if you're not hostile, and if you do not resist arrest... your odds of being killed by a police officer drops to near zero. This goes for anyone regardless of skin color. This is a good finding and one that we should hope to expect.
Accidents happen but they're even more rare.
He tried to... fortunately he failed to.
You ever think about what kind of mental state one has to be in to even attempt this? Maybe where you're from, that level of violence and incompetence is acceptable and even neighborly. Maybe the next time a scenario like this plays out cops should wait to become incapacitated by taser to see how far a violent man will go after gaining the upper hand. Maybe you should become a cop and run this experiment on our behalf.
If they have 2 eyes, they can judge 8 to 10 feet pretty accurately, like everyone else on the planet who is sighted.
Was the cold-blooded murder of Charles Kinsey one of your 'rare accidents'?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey
Officer was dealing with a drunken person already before this drunken idiot intervenes, that's why he didn't arrest him right away.
LOL, entertaining what comes out of a person's mouth when they are shit faced!
