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Malibuk

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Where are you getting your information from? What do you think "momentum" means?

"Momentum trading is the practice of buying and selling assets according to the recent strength of price trends. It is based on the idea that if there is enough force behind a price move, it will continue to move in the same direction."
Exactly, tradable trends are not established by the minute in real-time.

Such micro-momentum is much more subject to the news, not technical analysis.
Quite often the biggest moves come before the markets even open.

How many day traders can consistently make good money long term?
The overwhelming vast majority crash and burn.
 

Malibuk

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Anytime you want to use such trading strategies, as yourself the following questions; how many people that are smarter than me and with more resources invest in the market? Momentum trading and mean reversion was a big thing a couple of decades ago, but almost any study that come up with some kind of algorithm base on the past data fails on new data.
I am not advocating this investment strategy, just suggesting that technical analysis is not necessarily 100% totally irrelevant.

Like right now for someone looking to start investing, or putting a lump sum in, it is highly likely that there will be some way better opportunities later, as we are quite likely nearing the top of a bear market rally, that has been running on the hope for a V-shaped recovery.

For people making regular contributions for a very long time to come, it doesn`t matter.
If the OP is nearing retirement, his question is highly relevant.
 

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IMO, there's no such thing as a "right" or "wrong" way to invest. Whatever strategy you follow has to be right for you and your level of comfort. Every method has its pros and cons.

You can choose to hands off if you're buying mutual funds or work with an adviser, but you have to be willing to pay ongoing fees for that priveledge
You can choose a hands on approach with technical or fundamental analysis, but you have to be willing to spend the time to look at graphs or ask questions macro questions about an industry, it's competitive advantages and weakness, etc
 

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IMO, there's no such thing as a "right" or "wrong" way to invest. Whatever strategy you follow has to be right for you and your level of comfort. Every method has its pros and cons.

You can choose to hands off if you're buying mutual funds or work with an adviser, but you have to be willing to pay ongoing fees for that priveledge
You can choose a hands on approach with technical or fundamental analysis, but you have to be willing to spend the time to look at graphs or ask questions macro questions about an industry, it's competitive advantages and weakness, etc
People who come up with sophisticated system of roulette betting based on past outcome say the same: invest effort and time into developing the system. Technical analysis is the same way, but just for stocks instead of roulette. It adds absolutely no value and can even hurt if it diverts the investment strategy from full diversification.
 

G.D. Gentleman

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Sooo...

(since it's so damn timely this thread was started just yesterday)

....are we going to talk about the 1,861 point drop of the Dow today in this thread? Or no?

What a crazy day for the markets....I thought of this thread and the OP when I watched so much go red today...wondering which stocks the OP had and how he made out today?
 

fall

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Sooo...

(since it's so damn timely this thread was started just yesterday)

....are we going to talk about the 1,861 point drop of the Dow today in this thread? Or no?

What a crazy day for the markets....I thought of this thread and the OP when I watched so much go red today...wondering which stocks the OP had and how he made out today?
So what. The volatility is high now. And the return distribution is skewed to the right (i.e., high probability of small gains with low probability of large losses). Nothing stranged happened.
 

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To the original question of do u sell your stocks or not. It depends on what u own. If u own quality companies like TD Royal Emera Fortis CNRail Nasdaq top 100 then just hold on and ride it out. In 3 years you'll be laughing. If u own cripto currency and fossil fuel stocks and various other dubious companies you're better off in cash or convert to the companies I listed first in this post.
 

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Relying on technical analysis alone has made me about 400% return in the past 2 months. Got in XLE then went to AMD. Bought the dip and sold high. I'm in XOM now, bought the dip a few days ago!
 

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Relying on technical analysis alone has made me about 400% return in the past 2 months. Got in XLE then went to AMD. Bought the dip and sold high. I'm in XOM now, bought the dip a few days ago!
Once I went to a casino and placed a bet on the red and let it ride 5 times. I turned my $100 into $32,000. This works! You may lose a bit sometime, but if you bet on red, you a very likely to win. Look at me: I got a new car in under 30 minutes, not like that alien guy who had tp wait 2 month just to quadruple his money.
 
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Simply based on technical analysis I see the SP500 rising this week to 3150 by Friday. Then plummeting to 2940 the following week or so and declining steadily the following weeks to months. Most likely to new lows by November. I’m quite bearish on the economy and market for the next 1-2 years unfortunately. Just my opinion.
 

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Once I went to a casino and placed a bet on the red and let it ride 5 times. I turned my $100 into $32,000. This works! You may lose a bit sometime, but if you bet on red, you a very likely to win. Look at me: I got a new car in under 30 minutes, not like that alien guy who had tp wait 2 month just to quadruple his money.
I do regret buying contracts 3 months out rather than 2 weeks out. Would have gotten around 1500% return
 

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Some people like to use technical analysis, some are sure that you cannot get pregnant from the first sex, some belie in God, some like to have sex with the dog. Your life, your money, your choice. Please, just do not confuse people who really care about their money and, because they did not take any investment or asset pricing course at school, may believe in this bullshit.
 

JuanGoodman

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Some people like to use technical analysis, some are sure that you cannot get pregnant from the first sex, some belie in God, some like to have sex with the dog. Your life, your money, your choice. Please, just do not confuse people who really care about their money and, because they did not take any investment or asset pricing course at school, may believe in this bullshit.
The only person that's confused is you. Your comparison is not only childish but downright stupid. How can you have such a strong opinion about something that you obviously have no idea about ?
 

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Indexes are currently overvalued imo. Now is the time to buy, but certain sectors only. Travel, financial, cruise, airlines and hotels are all steals and won't likely get much cheaper. Stocks like Marriott are on sale right now, they own the Ritz, W, St Regis, all these other hotel chains they aint going anywhere. Boeing on sale. DAL/UAL on sale. JPM/BAC/WFC/GS on sale, BMO/TD/RY/BNO on sale. CCL/NCL on sale. Sell your overvalued stocks and reinvest in travel sector IMO. Travel won't stop growing, this is a hiccup over a long investing timeframe of decades.
 
Having an old Big 8 CPA firm background (long ago Touche Ross before merged with Deloitte) and in the investment business for 40 years in my view:

I would never invest in a "dumb" index fund with no stock selection other than just because a company is in an index. What a dumb way to invest.

I look for managers of money with long-term track records of outperformance for the risk taken, i.e., Alpha vs. Beta in Modern Portfolio terms.

Over the long-term steady investing has always been beneficial without trying to time the market. Trying to do market timing is why most amateurs have worse results. Over the long-term, markets have average 9-10% annual returns just in dumb indexes. Much better returns with successful managers.

The key is to "participate yet protect" so you have less volatile assets if you need cash in a significant market downturn to avoid locking in market losses, as you wait for the rebound that always comes. The risk is the timing of a rebound.

I have studied technical analysis being the nerd I am and have concluded it is worthless. There is always an excuse when results differ from what was projected. Past performance does not assure future results, and that blows the argument for technical analysis or the crazy idea of Monte Carlo simulations.

Worst of all is the scam of ETFs. As Vanguard founder Boogle once said, ETFs are like giving an arsonist a match. In every flash crash, what loses the most are ETFs. Most are based on dumb index investing, and if the market maker (authorized participant) doesn't like the indicated value of the creation units, there will be no bid, or as in some cases, the bid will be $0.01 as in a few flash crashes.

The creation units based on the hidden costs create $millions of dollars in wealth transferred to Wall Street from Main Street.

Good article about the wealth transfer of ETFs from investors at https://seekingalpha.com/article/42...saction-costs-make-billions-for-market-makers
 

JuanGoodman

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I have studied technical analysis being the nerd I am and have concluded it is worthless. There is always an excuse when results differ from what was projected. Past performance does not assure future results, and that blows the argument for technical analysis or the crazy idea of Monte Carlo simulations.

You must not have been very diligent in your study :biggrin:

In your Casino example, past results very much guarantee future results. Casinos bank on that assumption.
 

G.D. Gentleman

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So what. The volatility is high now. And the return distribution is skewed to the right (i.e., high probability of small gains with low probability of large losses). Nothing stranged happened.
Right. 5.7% contraction of the S&P 500 is nothing strange at all. Got it. :ranger:
 
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