If an employer wants to fire an employee its their right. If an employee thinks that an employer is ignoring obvious racism, it's their right as Canadians to point it out. Doesn't mean they are guaranteed employment. Doesn't mean the employer isn't willfully ignoring obvious racism within their own establishment.
Racism in the spas.
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I saw a lot of this on Twitter since I am from Toronto I have not been to Brass. When we were "allowed" to travel and I was in Ottawa I always considered going there but generally the timing never worked out.
They certainly have a great website plus a lot of the MPA's are on Twitter so you could see some individual personality from many of the MPA's.
As Slurp said lots of unknown here but for me, personally, there is enough for me to choose not to visit Brass when I do get to Ottawa again. Seems like a number of the MPA's are going Indy or I will try another spa
Accusations include racism, allowing abusive clients back into the spa, and MPA's being impaired.
I do not know if they are true, partly true or whatever I just can't imagine, personally, as an occasional visitor going there rather than another spa or Indy.
They certainly have a great website plus a lot of the MPA's are on Twitter so you could see some individual personality from many of the MPA's.
As Slurp said lots of unknown here but for me, personally, there is enough for me to choose not to visit Brass when I do get to Ottawa again. Seems like a number of the MPA's are going Indy or I will try another spa
Accusations include racism, allowing abusive clients back into the spa, and MPA's being impaired.
I do not know if they are true, partly true or whatever I just can't imagine, personally, as an occasional visitor going there rather than another spa or Indy.
I disagree. If anything we're learning that people south of the border aren't being called out enough for racism. If you're not white its pretty easy to not see it because it doesn't affect you. Then when you call it out, you are labelled a "SJW" as if that's supposed to be a bad thing.
Only in this timeline can standing up for justice be considered a negative.
This is a societal issue, hopefully thru recent events certain people and institutions will smarten up and better themselves.
As we can see (those that paid attention to sports) even the NY Knicks got some backlash and their billion dollar organization has many poc employees.
Hiring more or allowing more does not mean there is no issue.
There's no easy fix.
As we can see (those that paid attention to sports) even the NY Knicks got some backlash and their billion dollar organization has many poc employees.
Hiring more or allowing more does not mean there is no issue.
There's no easy fix.
Ah that make sense.
Well that’s unacceptable that in 2020 Racism still exist.
I mean , we have access to so many platforms in order to educate ourself.
It’s so many ways to get informations so it’s absolutely no reason why some people would remain in their ignorance and keep thinking it’s acceptable to treat people differently due to the colour of their skin.
The more we talk about it , the more some people get informed. The more the world stand up against racism, the more things might change.
Right decision. There should be no place for politics in business. You SP/MA online present under their SP/MA name is a part of the business. You want top discuss politics - do it in your personal time and do not associate it with your place of employment.
The Brass Club was within its rights to fire the three employees. Besides a concept we’ve had in the West since, oh the year 1215 and Magna Carta, known as freedom of association, which holds that business and employment is a voluntary, mutually agreed upon contract. The employer/customer agrees to hire/pay the employee/seller an agreed upon rate for an agreed upon service/good. Either can walk away when they are no longer satisfied; neither can be forced to contract with the other if unwilling to. At least, back when we had a thing called “freedom.”
Now to the issue at hand.
The aggrieved employees are the latest members of the mob to engage in the weaponized use of the term racist. Anyone that they decide, on their own whim and caprice, is “racist”, must be punished for their sins.
The first punishment is public apology and ritual self-abasement.
Next it is financial punishment: forced donations to causes of their choice, boycotts, or termination of employment.
The final punishment is what we’re seeing play out nightly now: the looting and burning and execution of numerous law enforcement personnel.
The Brass management did not play this game and be cowed into the first wave of punishment above. They should be commended for standing up to the mob.
Now to the issue at hand.
The aggrieved employees are the latest members of the mob to engage in the weaponized use of the term racist. Anyone that they decide, on their own whim and caprice, is “racist”, must be punished for their sins.
The first punishment is public apology and ritual self-abasement.
Next it is financial punishment: forced donations to causes of their choice, boycotts, or termination of employment.
The final punishment is what we’re seeing play out nightly now: the looting and burning and execution of numerous law enforcement personnel.
The Brass management did not play this game and be cowed into the first wave of punishment above. They should be commended for standing up to the mob.
Rubbish Fox News opinion. The word "numerous" applies to the law-enforcement over-reaction, and VIDEO EXAMPLES of brutality.
A bit of a fine distinction.
An employer/employee relationship is contractual in nature.
I'll ignore the alt-right silliness and just note that Jessica has since apologized for firing those three MAs and offered them their jobs back. I doubt they'll go back, and some others have left since. I've also seen some much more serious allegations regarding the club, hopefully those aren't true. Brass has a lot of enemies, it's hard to sort through everything.
You really have to give your head a shake if you think that during a pandemic your rub&tug spa reopening and your kid going to school everyday is as equally important as being understanding of a one day protest to stand up to racism and social injustice.
https://twitter.com/ClubMadellynJae/status/1269225666739867648?s=19
RIP compassion
https://twitter.com/ClubMadellynJae/status/1269225666739867648?s=19
RIP compassion
indeed. from cmj post
'So as I watched our mayor, and our PM participate in the BLM protest with thousands of people in Ottawa yesterday, I’m still left scratching my head wondering why we can’t open our business? Why social distancing is still a thing and why my kids haven’t been able to go to school?'
if this is true then all spa mas also known as independent contractors, can work anywhere. lot of spas in ottawa
No idea, but CMJ's post isn't wrong. Did everyone all of a sudden forget about COVID? Racism as been around forever and isn't gonna disappear anytime soon. How about we deal with this deadly virus first before we tackle racism.
The funny thing is, I have to give my head a shake at the fact that suddenly it's okay to gather 7000 people in one place when only a month ago people were having bylaw called on them for standing in a park by themselves and getting fined $800. But now because of social justice it's okay. And the PM and mayor get a nice photo OP.
Business owners who are losing money monthly and suffering are being told that they still need to shutter their doors because how they feed their families isn't as important to the world as something else. Which I think is complete garbage and absolutely hypocritical. If this could happen then they should allow people to have the choice to reopen, and I'm not even talking about spas. Thousands of business owners in the city are now destroyed financially.
Funny thing is I actually called that out on social media and immediately got labelled a racist (among other choice terms). Words have been weaponized and logic doesn't matter anymore.
I feel for anyone who is struggling. Please don't think I'm unsympathetic to people who had to close doors and have lost a business. In March I had to do the same thing. See post 4 on this thread https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?708420-When-was-your-last-session
Some of it is at least is totally true (letting in known abusive clients), i have my experience at that place and i spoke with some MA's about working there back during their 1st year. Management doesn't care about the clients (my own experience) or the MA'S, all that matters is the bottom line. I am not surprised one bit about the latest shit storm and while the MA's could expect to be fired, they probably knew what was coming. So if their convictions were strong enough to go ahead anyway, it says a lot about the story. I've never put my feet in that place since nor will i in the future, just can't bring myself to support that kind of ownership.
The march was going to happen with or without official approval. Trying to shut it down would just have led to the kinds of chaos we see in the US. Instead it happened, it was peaceful and life goes on.
Besides, anyone who's been out and about lately knows that the distancing has been breaking down for a while. The stores are full of people and hardly anyone is wearing masks. There'll be bigger crowds at the beach today then there was at the march.
