FBI investigating death of suspect after Minneapolis police officer put knee on neck

Frankfooter

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Well that's his job, Danny. And the technicality here is whether the DA can prove causation - which is a lot more than a technicality.

Plus, Chauvin actually gets a day in court to say his piece and - contrary to expectations - he may be persuasive. I know that upsets those who have already decided he's guilty, but there you go!..... The damn justice system, huh?!

I want to see a coroner's report and I want to hear from Chauvin why he knelt on the vic's neck for 8 minutes. And I want to hear expert evidence about whether "excited delirium" is a valid diagnosis or not, if that's what the defence is gonna say killed the vic.

And then I want to think about whether Chauvin's obligation to get medical aid for the vic is subsumed in a murder three charge. Or whether the DA should have laid a different charge. Plus some other stuff as well.

Murder's a pretty big decision, Danny. Most judges want to take a little time and trouble over it.
The video apparently shows Chauvin kneeling on his neck fully 3 minutes after he lost consciousness.
That will be tough to explain in court.
 

wigglee

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There was 3 cops holding him after he was cuffed. They could have bound his legs and there would be no need to kneel on his neck. Who can prove any reasonable theory that had he not been kneeled on , he would have died anyway?
 
Minneapolis basically let the city burn last night because even with 2500 law enforcement they were outnumbered by the anarchists and criminals in many locations that took control. 1000 more National Guard has been called up and Trump ordered some military bases to be on standby. I do not know if this is just a threat or how they can use the Army under Posse Comitatus Act.

I posted a more extensive update on the Riots with information from the 1 AM Sat news conference from the Emergency Ops Center at
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ot-handle-the-criminals&p=6709213#post6709213
 

decoy2673

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He was misquoted.

No, wait, it was sarcasm.

Hold on, it's Obama's fault.
I mean. Obama blasted thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians with drone strikes from the sky. He's set a great role model inciting violence while being president. Cute sarcasm though.
 

mandrill

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I mean. Obama blasted thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians with drone strikes from the sky. He's set a great role model inciting violence while being president. Cute sarcasm though.

Thousands?.....

Innocent?.....

I'm sure there was some "collateral damage", but would you prefer that the bad guys were still around to plan terror attacks against the West.

How many people did GWB kill? Reagan with the proxy wars in Central America? Nixon and "Peace w Honour in Vietnam"? JFK? LBJ? Ike? Truman? Bush the Elder in Iraq?

You're president of the USA, you kill people. That's one of the things you do. It's a necessary part of the job.
 

mandrill

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Minneapolis basically let the city burn last night because even with 2500 law enforcement they were outnumbered by the anarchists and criminals in many locations that took control. 1000 more National Guard has been called up and Trump ordered some military bases to be on standby. I do not know if this is just a threat or how they can use the Army under Posse Comitatus Act.

I posted a more extensive update on the Riots with information from the 1 AM Sat news conference from the Emergency Ops Center at
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ot-handle-the-criminals&p=6709213#post6709213

The National Guard has been called out many times in similar circumstances, so I assume Posse Comitatus or "aid to the civil authorities". In any event, the rioting and looting has got to stop.
 

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I mean. Obama blasted thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians with drone strikes from the sky. He's set a great role model inciting violence while being president. Cute sarcasm though.
Obama did what all American presidents do. That point of that office is to impose America's will on others and have the USA profit from it in the process. They even do it to their own citizens too. That's why prison is such a big business. You people are clueless. I could tell you how Reagan pushed guns into the Caribbean (mainly Jamaica) to incite political violence and murder between the two parties there.

America's entire history is littered with their leaders and good citizens brutalising and killing innocent people. Study Amerikkkan history from top to bottom.
 

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Minneapolis basically let the city burn last night because even with 2500 law enforcement they were outnumbered by the anarchists and criminals in many locations that took control.
Cities can be rebuilt, Floyd cannot.

These people are distressed victims.
That`s why they need new TV, jewellery, shoes, clothes, appliances, phones, computers, etc...., to ease their suffering.
 

WyattEarp

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At least three of them will be charged, this is a certainty.
Perhaps. I'm not sure what the charge would be. Unless they have the other officers on video encouraging Chauvin, I don't know what charge sticks. The other officers can simply say that they didn't know Chauvin was applying excessive pressure. Arrested persons routinely complain about discomfort.

This has not been validated, but I heard someone say that you can faintly hear one of the other cops telling Chauvin that he had been on top of Floyd long enough.
 

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The Posse Comitatus Act night severely restrict or prevent Trump from sending in federal troops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
I think the National Guard is technically a state militia and not a federal military force so the governor can call them to assist in maintaining law and order.

Using federal force is a different matter as i think they are governed by the Posse Comitatus Act. My understanding of Posse Comitatus is that in the aftermath of the American Civil War, there were federal troops occupying the Southern American states and this was considered inappropriate.
 

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Perhaps, I'm not sure what the charge would be. Unless they have the other officers on video encouraging Chauvin, I don't know what charge sticks. The other officers can simply say that they didn't know Chauvin was applying excessive pressure. Arrested persons routinely complain about discomfort.

This has not been validated, but I heard someone say that you can faintly hear one of the other cops telling Chauvin that he had been on top of Floyd long enough.
There is a gap between the time GF was escorted to the cop's car and the time everyone saw those cops kneeling on him. It will be the cops' words to the jury and their argument to them that GF was resisting and force was necessary. Whether it was excessive force (took 3 cops) because GF was fighting back, and whether the force killed GF (which doesn't seem to be according to the ME's initial report), it's not a slam dunk case for the prosecutors especially charges against the other 3 cops. Chauvin's past records don't help him here but it will be hard to convince the jury that his intent was to kill GF.
 

danmand

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There is a gap between the time GF was escorted to the cop's car and the time everyone saw those cops kneeling on him. It will be the cops' words to the jury and their argument to them that GF was resisting and force was necessary. Whether it was excessive force (took 3 cops) because GF was fighting back, and whether the force killed GF (which doesn't seem to be according to the ME's initial report), it's not a slam dunk case for the prosecutors especially charges against the other 3 cops. Chauvin's past records don't help him here but it will be hard to convince the jury that his intent was to kill GF.
Floyd was handcuffed before he was pinned to the ground by the knee to his neck.

The charge of 3rd degree murder does not require intent to kill. That is 1st and 2nd degree murder.
 

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There is a gap between the time GF was escorted to the cop's car and the time everyone saw those cops kneeling on him. It will be the cops' words to the jury and their argument to them that GF was resisting and force was necessary. Whether it was excessive force (took 3 cops) because GF was fighting back, and whether the force killed GF (which doesn't seem to be according to the ME's initial report), it's not a slam dunk case for the prosecutors especially charges against the other 3 cops. Chauvin's past records don't help him here but it will be hard to convince the jury that his intent was to kill GF.
That knee on neck video was 9 minutes long; 3 of which he was unresponsive. In none of those 9 minutes was he ever resisting. What amount of resisting do YOU think justifies those whole 9 minutes? In which of those 9 minutes did YOU see George being a threat? And what's the cut off? 10 minutes? 20 minutes? 30 minutes? a full day?

He resisted earlier that day so he needed a knee in neck for 9 minutes? Did he resist when he was 9 years old? What do you think the cops can say about the preceding 9 minutes that will justify those awful 9 minutes that followed? What? Did he talk smack? What did he say? "Imma tap your wife's ass tonight when I get out?"

What? Tell you what. Get your stop watch and go kneel on your pillow for 9 minutes. Let us know how exciting it is.

Are we all watching the same video?
 

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I understand why African Americans are so incredibly angry about this. The killing of George Floyd was worse then a lynching. It was done in daylight and it was done by police. 3 other cops stood by and let another cop squeeze the life out of a black man who was restrained and not resisting. And when he lost consiousness, the still choked him, and let him die. I think 2nd degree required intent to do harm, not kill. It is CLEAR that after he passed out there was no need to keep this on, so the ONLY explaination is intent to do harm. The rest all need to be tried for criminal negligence. This is a really horrific incident.
 
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