Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers show a different story

[doggystyle99]

Is he still blowing his load over useless case-fatality rates?

Ontario has 1725 deaths out of 20907 known cases for a case-fatality rate of 8.25%.
This is a totally useless stat as it is not even remotely accurate.
It is also totally useless for making comparisons to other places because there is no standard for how many have been tested and who is being tested.
If Ontario had tested half as many people now, and presumably found half as many cases, the case fatality rate would be 1725/10453 = 16.5%.
Ontario`s extremely limited testing has been focusing on old-age and long-term facilities, sick people, and frontline workers, samplings where infection rates are higher.
If the testing was broad, diverse, and randomized, they would have found way fewer cases so again the denominator would be way smaller, so the case-fatality rate would be way higher.

Sweden has tested less than 2% of the population and Ontario is close to 3%.
If Sweden had tested 50% more people now, similar to Ontario`s percentage, their case-fatality rate would be around 8% instead of 12%.
Of course these case-fatality numbers are all totally useless as the real (infection) fatality rate is likely less than 1%.
Sweden`s per capita number of deaths is higher but their infection rate is also higher so there is probably little difference in the IFR.

Unfortunately people like you and GD keep sharing false, misleading videos and articles as your source of information in support of the "Sweden success" nonsense, you get called out for it by many including myself and then you take those personally and start insulting people and throw hissy fits.
You share videos from a looney tune such as the Steve Deace show as your evidence that the "Sweden success" is working and we should open businesses and post it in multiple threads and he actually used the death numbers as evidence, once those numbers were used to prove what he was claiming was not true then all of the sudden you changed your argument to these numbers do not matter, and GD shares videos and opinions of YT bloggers as evidence and articles from uncoverdc.com
If your sources don't work we can always count on your feelings and non factual opinions.

Sweden compared to it's immediate border neighbours Denmark, Norway and even Finland is doing far worse as the data and the numbers suggest. They all saw the exposure to the Coronavirus within the same timeline yet Sweden is fairing far worse than all those contries due to them keeping non essential businesses open.
As predicted by many health officials who used the data and the facts we know regarding the Coronavirus, there was no evidence to suggest that their numbers will magically improve while those other 3 countries numbers will magically get worse. All of these false assumptions were made by the right wing nutbars who are spreading the "Sweden success/open businesses now" propaganda.

As I've said over and over you who are spreading the "Sweden success/open businesses now" propaganda will make any non factual argument to fit the narrative your trying to spin.

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

Unfortunately people like you and GD keep sharing false, misleading videos and articles as your source of information in support of the "Sweden success" nonsense, you get called out for it by many including myself and then you take those personally and start insulting people and throw hissy fits.
You share videos from the a looney tune such as the Steve Deace show as your evidence that the "Sweden success" is working and we should open businesses and post it in multiple threads and he actually used the death numbers as evidence, once those numbers were used to prove what he was claiming was not true then all of the sudden you changed your argument to these numbers do not matter, and GD shares videos and opinions of YT bloggers as evidence and articles from uncoverdc.com
If your sources don't work we can always count on your feelings and non factual opinions.

Sweden compared to it's immediate border neighbours Denmark, Norway and even Finland is doing far worse as the data and the numbers suggest. They all saw the exposure to the Coronavirus within the same timeline yet Sweden is fairing far worse than all those contries due to them keeping non essential businesses open.
As predicted by many health officials who used the data and the facts we know regarding the Coronavirus, there was no evidence to suggest that their numbers will magically improve while those other 3 countries numbers will magically get worse. All of these false assumptions were made by the right wing nutbars who are spreading the "Sweden success/open businesses now" propaganda.

As I've said over and over you who are spreading the "Sweden success/open businesses now" propaganda will make any non factual argument to fit the narrative your trying to spin.

Doggy Doggy Doggy, come here boy.

-I shared a few video's about Sweden over a week ago, for perspective. I was actually thanked by a few members as you saw for sharing them.

-I'm NOT part of the open early crowd - stop confusing me with them.

-I AM part of the 'DS99 is attempting to call Sweden a failure many months to soon' crowd - other members in this very thread have shared the same sentiment if you take a look back.

-You continue to focus on Sweden's situation based on the 'similar' countries who took a different approach - after 2 short months we get it, we see the different short term outcome. Everyone but you seems to have recognize this and will circle back in 6 months to see how Sweden's approach worked out long term compared to many other countries, not just a few others.

-You post stats in your thread like they are of some value to anyone other than yourself. It's obvious you want to keep this thread on the main page and not let it simply fade away like it should.

-You call my responses hissy fit (oh my, you hurt my feeeeeelings, lol) - I'm just calling you on your need to hear your own voice or in this case see your own posts for self gratification. Why else would this thread go days without a single other member posting within it except you putting up the daily stats that no one cares about? Yes occasionally someone will post in here and you get all excited as you get to argue with them once more, it's so obvious what is happening and hence it's easy to articulate it out like this.

-Where's the Sweden healthcare overrun links I asked for? You were clearly predicting it to occur? Should be plenty of links about it now? Why is it not on the nightly news like Italy was? Come on DS99, you're slipping?


We will now let you go back to your daily ritual of posting useless additional incremental stats about Sweden so you can keep this thread alive a little longer.

 

[basketcase]

Norway is odd; their total cases have flattened out quite drastically, yet at same time their deaths are spiking...

Cases = proportion of population tested.
Deaths = deaths.

 

[doggystyle99]

April 10
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------9685-------------------------------870-------------------------------544------------------------77----------------------------9.0%--------------
Denmark----------5819------------------------------247-------------------------------184------------------------10----------------------------4.2%--------------
Norway------------6314------------------------------113-------------------------------95-------------------------5------------------------------1.8%--------------


May 10
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases--------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------26322-----------------------------3225-----------------------------401------------------------5-----------------------------12.2%--------------
Denmark----------10429-----------------------------527------------------------------110------------------------1------------------------------5.1%--------------
Norway------------8105------------------------------219-------------------------------6--------------------------0------------------------------2.7%--------------

April 11
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------10151-----------------------------887-------------------------------466------------------------17----------------------------8.7%--------------
Denmark----------5996------------------------------260-------------------------------177------------------------13----------------------------4.3%--------------
Norway------------6409------------------------------119-------------------------------95-------------------------6------------------------------1.9%--------------


May 11
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases--------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------26670-----------------------------3256-----------------------------348------------------------31----------------------------12.2%--------------
Denmark----------10513-----------------------------527------------------------------84--------------------------0------------------------------5.0%--------------
Norway------------8132------------------------------224------------------------------27--------------------------5------------------------------2.7%--------------

 

[doggystyle99]

April 11
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------10151-----------------------------887-------------------------------466------------------------17----------------------------8.7%--------------
Denmark----------5996------------------------------260-------------------------------177------------------------13----------------------------4.3%--------------
Norway------------6409------------------------------119-------------------------------95-------------------------6------------------------------1.9%--------------


May 11
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases--------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------26670-----------------------------3256-----------------------------348------------------------31----------------------------12.2%--------------
Denmark----------10513-----------------------------527------------------------------84--------------------------0------------------------------5.0%--------------
Norway------------8132------------------------------224------------------------------27--------------------------5------------------------------2.7%--------------

April 12
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------10483-----------------------------899-------------------------------332------------------------12----------------------------8.6%--------------
Denmark----------6174------------------------------273-------------------------------178------------------------13----------------------------4.4%--------------
Norway------------6525------------------------------128-------------------------------116------------------------9------------------------------2.0%--------------


May 12
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases--------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------27272-----------------------------3313-----------------------------602------------------------57----------------------------12.1%--------------
Denmark----------10591-----------------------------527------------------------------78--------------------------0------------------------------5.0%--------------
Norway------------8157------------------------------228------------------------------25--------------------------4------------------------------2.8%--------------

 

[J.A. Prufrock]

Sweden should let the health and science experts dictate policy and just stick to what it knows best.

 

[doggystyle99]

Doggy Doggy Doggy, come here boy.

-I shared a few video's about Sweden over a week ago, for perspective. I was actually thanked by a few members as you saw for sharing them.
-I'm NOT part of the open early crowd - stop confusing me with them.
-I AM part of the 'DS99 is attempting to call Sweden a failure many months to soon' crowd - other members in this very thread have shared the same sentiment if you take a look back.
-You continue to focus on Sweden's situation based on the 'similar' countries who took a different approach - after 2 short months we get it, we see the different short term outcome. Everyone but you seems to have recognize this and will circle back in 6 months to see how Sweden's approach worked out long term compared to many other countries, not just a few others.
-You post stats in your thread like they are of some value to anyone other than yourself. It's obvious you want to keep this thread on the main page and not let it simply fade away like it should.

-You call my responses hissy fit (oh my, you hurt my feeeeeelings, lol) - I'm just calling you on your need to hear your own voice or in this case see your own posts for self gratification. Why else would this thread go days without a single other member posting within it except you putting up the daily stats that no one cares about? Yes occasionally someone will post in here and you get all excited as you get to argue with them once more, it's so obvious what is happening and hence it's easy to articulate it out like this.

-Where's the Sweden healthcare overrun links I asked for? You were clearly predicting it to occur? Should be plenty of links about it now? Why is it not on the nightly news like Italy was? Come on DS99, you're slipping?

We will now let you go back to your daily ritual of posting useless additional incremental stats about Sweden so you can keep this thread alive a little longer.

GD GD GD you grasshopper......Unfortunately people like you lack the knowledge but yet you keep posting false numbers backed with false, misleading articles and videos and your opinions and try to use it as evidence to support the narrative you are spinning.
You used false, misleading videos and articles as a source, you've also used links that compared Sweden to Belgium, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Switzerland and Netherlands to fit your narrative meanwile ignoring the best comparisons to Sweden which is it's immediate border neighbours Denmark, Finland or Norway which all have better criteria for comparison to Sweden than all those countries as they all saw the same timeline in the fight against the Coronavirus. Doing the above is perpetuating the "Sweden success" propaganda.

Unfortunately for Sweden the process of keeping non essential businesses open has led to many unnecessary cases and many unnecessary deaths as for your assertion that in 6 months things will be different in Sweden for the better is just another assumption on your part and it's also an assumption to claim other countries will be far worse which the data and the facts do not agree with and again is the same "Sweden success" propaganda that you've been spinning.
There is not a single measure Sweden has taken that will lead to them being drastically better than others in 6 months. BTW in your previous posts you were claiming 3-6 months is the timeframe now all of a sudden two months in and you don't see this happening it's a full 6 months, again these numbers conveniently change for people like you to fit the narrative you're trying to spin.

As for the data I've told you numerous times the stats/data and facts that we know regarding the Coronavirus is extremely important in understanding what will happen and how to limit the number of deaths in this fight. I've said numerous times expect the numbers of deaths to drastically go down when the curve is descending bringing the death rate lower and if you had taken a minute to look closely at the data you would see exactly that happening in Denmark and Norway.
You clearly do not like this thread yet you are still here posting in it.

 

[TeeJay]

So in other words #FAKENEWS

Norway has over the last month and even over the last 14 dyas reduced the number of daily cases as well as daily deaths over the last 14 day cycle April 28th-May 11th, they have not seen spikes in deaths as you claim
Daily Cases:
61, 50, 28, 45, 26, 38, 57, 51, 41, 38, 36, 29, 6, 27

Daily Deaths:
1, 1, 3, 0, 1, 0, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 5
Your assertion that Norway is backlogged or inaccurate in testing and see the above as spike in deaths is non factual.

Def #FakeNews
Your numbers do NOT match what WHO has posted at all
https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/no

(Although even with your incorrect numbers the fact that on the 14th day they have more deaths than any of the prev 2 weeks speaks volumes)


Also notice you keep harping on Norway who is NOT an international country
No travel and very little immigration equals no Covid silly

A far better comp is to contrast Sweden vs Netherlands

 

[doggystyle99]

Def #FakeNews
Your numbers do NOT match what WHO has posted at all
https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/no

(Although even with your incorrect numbers the fact that on the 14th day they have more deaths than any of the prev 2 weeks speaks volumes)

Also notice you keep harping on Norway who is NOT an international country
No travel and very little immigration equals no Covid silly

A far better comp is to contrast Sweden vs Netherlands

Yes the numbers from WHO and Worldometers are different but not by much, I believe they start and end the data at different times during the day.
I don't know how many times it's been pointed out the importance of a 14 day cycle and not to use an increase or decrease of a day or even a few days as evidence but yet here you are again taking a 1 day high which is so miniscule (5) and using it as evidence there is significant increase in deaths which is the opposite of the data.
Had you also taken a minute to view the numbers and understand you would have also seen that the 14 day period of April 28-May 11 numbers had seen a drastic decline from the previous 14 day period with even their highest death toll being on April 20 of 16 and having that number drop steadily.

As for your comparison of Sweden to Netherlands they are not comparable not only do they have major geographical differences but they also have major differences in sociological and most importantly population density with Netherlands being 20X more densely populated than Sweden.
Again the proper comparison to Sweden has always been Norway, Finland and Denmark even with Denmark being 6X more densely populated than Sweden these countries not only share the same geographical and sociological but they also share the timeline and exposure to the Coronavirus in the same manner.
But again it doesn't fit the "Sweden success" crowd narrative to compare Sweden to it's immediate neighbours Denmark, Norway or Finland.

I would bet Oslo and Stockholm or any of the Nordic countries bordering one another share a lot of similarities including travel.
As for your new assertion that immigration of Sweden and Norway is different and that somehow has an affect on Coronavirus this is the funniest thing I've read.

 

[TeeJay]

@ds
Ah whatever
Multiple people have pointed out your emperor has no clothes but you seem unwilling to listen

It is beyond laughable you keep rejecting the comparison I make between Sweden and the Netherlands (esp as you use pop density being most important with a claim of 20X density)
(The irony of then trying to compare Norway and Finland both of which are far less dense than Sweden seems to be lost on you)


Even using your own links against you

Norway 15 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/norway-population/

Finland is 18 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/finland-population/

Sweden 25 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/sweden-population/

Canada by contrast is 4 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/canada-population/

This basically proves country wide density is useless but I (hope) you already realized that

As for your comparison of Sweden to Netherlands they are not comparable not only do they have major geographical differences but they also have major differences in sociological and most importantly population density with Netherlands being 20X more densely populated than Sweden.
Again the proper comparison to Sweden has always been Norway, Finland and Denmark even with Denmark being 6X more densely populated than Sweden these countries not only share the same geographical and sociological but they also share the timeline and exposure to the Coronavirus in the same manner.
But again it doesn't fit the "Sweden success" crowd narrative to compare Sweden to it's immediate neighbours Denmark, Norway or Finland.

To further disprove the notion the cities in either country are even remotely similar

Stockholm (Sweden)
Pop - 975,000
Area - 188 km^2
5,200 per km^2

Oslo (Norway)
Pop - 690,000
Area - 480 km^2
1,440 per km^2


Amsterdam (Netherlands)
Pop - 872,000 (lol its SMALLER than Stockholm so much for your claims of "high density" lol)
Area - 219 km^2 (so smaller population PLUS more land in the city!)

If you want; feel free to do the division yourself; I pointed out that Amsterdam has smaller population than Stockholm and more land to disperse its people)

Stockholm is the densest city here. Even more dense than Amsterdam. And ALOT denser than any city located in Norway or Finland (I have been to both Sweden and Finland; Sweden has cities that look like real cities. Finland is like so country rustic they make places like Ottawa look like major metropolitans)

 

[doggystyle99]

@ds
Ah whatever
Multiple people have pointed out your emperor has no clothes but you seem unwilling to listen

It is beyond laughable you keep rejecting the comparison I make between Sweden and the Netherlands (esp as you use pop density being most important with a claim of 20X density)
(The irony of then trying to compare Norway and Finland both of which are far less dense than Sweden seems to be lost on you)


Even using your own links against you

Norway 15 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/norway-population/

Finland is 18 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/finland-population/

Sweden 25 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/sweden-population/

Canada by contrast is 4 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/canada-population/

This basically proves country wide density is useless but I (hope) you already realized that



To further disprove the notion the cities in either country are even remotely similar

Stockholm (Sweden)
Pop - 975,000
Area - 188 km^2
5,200 per km^2

Oslo (Norway)
Pop - 690,000
Area - 480 km^2
1,440 per km^2


Amsterdam (Netherlands)
Pop - 872,000 (lol its SMALLER than Stockholm so much for your claims of "high density" lol)
Area - 219 km^2 (so smaller population PLUS more land in the city!)

If you want; feel free to do the division yourself; I pointed out that Amsterdam has smaller population than Stockholm and more land to disperse its people)

Stockholm is the densest city here. Even more dense than Amsterdam. And ALOT denser than any city located in Norway or Finland (I have been to both Sweden and Finland; Sweden has cities that look like real cities. Finland is like so country rustic they make places like Ottawa look like major metropolitans)

Unfortunately this is exactly what is wrong with people like you who lack the knowledge of what they are talking about like I said Netherland will never be a fair comparison to Sweden not only for it's geographical but also sociological as well as population density. Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark share so many similarities to one another in terms of geographical, sociological and very similar in population density except Denmark has higher population density with 1/10 of the size of Sweden. Again do not forget the similarities of sociological and geographical of these countries where comparing a nordic country to Netherlands is far more different.
Stockholm is not the highest popluation density here that would be Copenhagen where it has roughly 1.5X more popluation density than Stockholm.

This is the problem with people like you who make false or misleading posts.
1. You falsely claimed that Norway's testing was inaccurate and backlogged and when data and facts proved otherwise you went on to the next point.
2. Then you falsely claimed that Norway's deaths are increasing meanwhile Sweden's deaths are decreasing and when data and facts proved otherwise you went on to the next point.
3. Then you falsely claimed that Denmarks cases are still high cases but again data proves to us otherwise ad Denmark has a substantial number of daily cases to Sweden and once again to the next point
4. Then you falsely claimed Netherlands is a better comparison to Sweden where again data and facts proved otherwise you went on to the next point.
You spout any false fact in an attempt to try and label "Sweden success" which compared to it's immediate border neighbours Denmark, Norway and Finland it's not where they share geographical, population density and socialogical similarities.

 

[danmand]

@ds
Ah whatever
Multiple people have pointed out your emperor has no clothes but you seem unwilling to listen

It is beyond laughable you keep rejecting the comparison I make between Sweden and the Netherlands (esp as you use pop density being most important with a claim of 20X density)
(The irony of then trying to compare Norway and Finland both of which are far less dense than Sweden seems to be lost on you)


Even using your own links against you

Norway 15 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/norway-population/

Finland is 18 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/finland-population/

Sweden 25 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/sweden-population/

Canada by contrast is 4 per km^2
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/canada-population/

This basically proves country wide density is useless but I (hope) you already realized that



To further disprove the notion the cities in either country are even remotely similar

Stockholm (Sweden)
Pop - 975,000
Area - 188 km^2
5,200 per km^2

Oslo (Norway)
Pop - 690,000
Area - 480 km^2
1,440 per km^2


Amsterdam (Netherlands)
Pop - 872,000 (lol its SMALLER than Stockholm so much for your claims of "high density" lol)
Area - 219 km^2 (so smaller population PLUS more land in the city!)

If you want; feel free to do the division yourself; I pointed out that Amsterdam has smaller population than Stockholm and more land to disperse its people)

Stockholm is the densest city here. Even more dense than Amsterdam. And ALOT denser than any city located in Norway or Finland (I have been to both Sweden and Finland; Sweden has cities that look like real cities. Finland is like so country rustic they make places like Ottawa look like major metropolitans)

The whole discussion has been now decided.

Denmark has 537 deaths, has had its primary schools open for more than a month and is fast going back to normal.

Compare that to Sweden.3529 deaths

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

GD GD GD you grasshopper......Unfortunately people like you lack the knowledge but yet you keep posting false numbers backed with false, misleading articles and videos and your opinions and try to use it as evidence to support the narrative you are spinning.
You used false, misleading videos and articles as a source, you've also used links that compared Sweden to Belgium, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Switzerland and Netherlands to fit your narrative meanwile ignoring the best comparisons to Sweden which is it's immediate border neighbours Denmark, Finland or Norway which all have better criteria for comparison to Sweden than all those countries as they all saw the same timeline in the fight against the Coronavirus. Doing the above is perpetuating the "Sweden success" propaganda.

Unfortunately for Sweden the process of keeping non essential businesses open has led to many unnecessary cases and many unnecessary deaths as for your assertion that in 6 months things will be different in Sweden for the better is just another assumption on your part and it's also an assumption to claim other countries will be far worse which the data and the facts do not agree with and again is the same "Sweden success" propaganda that you've been spinning.
There is not a single measure Sweden has taken that will lead to them being drastically better than others in 6 months. BTW in your previous posts you were claiming 3-6 months is the timeframe now all of a sudden two months in and you don't see this happening it's a full 6 months, again these numbers conveniently change for people like you to fit the narrative you're trying to spin.

As for the data I've told you numerous times the stats/data and facts that we know regarding the Coronavirus is extremely important in understanding what will happen and how to limit the number of deaths in this fight. I've said numerous times expect the numbers of deaths to drastically go down when the curve is descending bringing the death rate lower and if you had taken a minute to look closely at the data you would see exactly that happening in Denmark and Norway.
You clearly do not like this thread yet you are still here posting in it.

I don't have to like the thread to post in it. This is not a playground and you can try to make rules up about a thread you started - we're on an Escort Review board, lol.

So no evidence of your prediction of Sweden's health care running over. Got it.

You keep spinning that I'm part of the Sweden is a success crowd as you like to group some members. I'm not. I'm part of the 'let's see how Sweden works out long term crowd'.

I do not 'claim' 2 months, 3 months, 6 months - I estimate and suggest future time frames for conversation. It is comical watching you pick apart posts when you don't have anything else to attack on a poster.


You are if nothing else DS99, entertaining. Readers watch you argue with multiple members across multiple threads and see that you never really notice that few-to-no-one agrees with you on your main stances and point of views - pass the popcorn, extra butter please.

Keep up the good work DS99.

 

[danmand]

I don't have to like the thread to post in it. This is not a playground and you can try to make rules up about a thread you started - we're on an Escort Review board, lol.

So no evidence of your prediction of Sweden's health care running over. Got it.

You keep spinning that I'm part of the Sweden is a success crowd as you like to group some members. I'm not. I'm part of the 'let's see how Sweden works out long term crowd'.

I do not 'claim' 2 months, 3 months, 6 months - I estimate and suggest future time frames for conversation. It is comical watching you pick apart posts when you don't have anything else to attack on a poster.


You are if nothing else DS99, entertaining. Readers watch you argue with multiple members across multiple threads and see that you never really notice that few-to-no-one agrees with you on your main stances and point of views - pass the popcorn, extra butter please.

Keep up the good work DS99.

Sure, you can wait a few years.

Right now Sweden and Denmark are both partially open, Denmark 537 deaths, Sweden 3529 deaths

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

Sure, you can wait a few years.

Right now Sweden and Denmark are both partially open, Denmark 537 deaths, Sweden 3529 deaths

UK went through a full lockdown, has 33,614 deaths to date and 428 new deaths just today. So what's your point?

Oh right...because Denmark and Sweden are identical twins of countries and one was 'good' and one was 'bad' in the short term measurement you are sharing now with Doggy. Got it.

 

[danmand]

UK went through a full lockdown, has 33,614 deaths to date and 428 new deaths just today. So what's your point?

Oh right...because Denmark and Sweden are identical twins of countries and one was 'good' and one was 'bad' in the short term measurement you are sharing now with Doggy. Got it.

My point is that Denmark and Sweden are imminently comparable on almost all counts. It is like somebody designed a double blind test: Let us see what happens when one country closes down for a short period, while another does not.

The result speaks for itself: 537 deaths vs 3,529 deaths.

It is worth mentioning that both Denmark and Sweden have a very well educated citizenship, who are able to take actions that are in their best interest. For example, during the no-lockdown, restaurants in Sweden had only 10% of their regular business. The impact on the economy was not much different in Denmark and Sweden.

How many years are you determined to wait before you agree that Swedens approach was a failure?

 

[fall]

How many years are you determined to wait before you agree that Swedens approach was a failure?

I would say a minimum between 2 years or once mass immunisation is done. Any death/infection numbers computed during only the first year of pandemic are meaningless. So, if we are lucky with vaccine development, maybe a year from now we may see if Sweden approach was good or bad.

 

[TeeJay]

This is the problem with people like you who make false or misleading posts.
1. You falsely claimed that Norway's testing was inaccurate and backlogged and when data and facts proved otherwise you went on to the next point.
2. Then you falsely claimed that Norway's deaths are increasing meanwhile Sweden's deaths are decreasing and when data and facts proved otherwise you went on to the next point.
3. Then you falsely claimed that Denmarks cases are still high cases but again data proves to us otherwise ad Denmark has a substantial number of daily cases to Sweden and once again to the next point
4. Then you falsely claimed Netherlands is a better comparison to Sweden where again data and facts proved otherwise you went on to the next point.
You spout any false fact in an attempt to try and label "Sweden success" which compared to it's immediate border neighbours Denmark, Norway and Finland it's not where they share geographical, population density and socialogical similarities.

Again the irony in the BS you post claiming my post was false / misleading lol

1- No I gave my own personal THEORY (and I even posted it as such). You still have not given your take on why case and death curves in Norway are in opposition to each other.
2- This is totally true, both on my posts and on your own sources. Norway has far more deaths in past 7 days than they had in past 21 days. The last spike they had was long past.
3- ditto #2, methinks you do not like clicking on links or something
4- Um data for density was YOUR idea; I just put the figures up (which you quoted in your response even lol) to show you had no clue. Somehow you think a city in Sweden has comparable population density to a city in Norway / Finland and that (somehow) the density of other neighbours (Netherlands) should be overlooked. I could repost but its right above this post so whats the point

Sure, you can wait a few years.

Right now Sweden and Denmark are both partially open, Denmark 537 deaths, Sweden 3529 deaths

Wrong again bucko
Denmark has not opened up (yet; it will soon - June 8th is posted date online assuming no changes) Current restriction is max 10 people distanced apart and nothing social (eg movies, parks etc) are allowed (yet)
Sweden is more open than Denmark is at this point
Also Denmark is the country with second longest lockdown in place; only Italy has been closed longer. Denmark locked down BEFORE a single death was recorded in their country. That 500+ deaths all happened after the lockdown


You guys are trolling hard man
Have fun

So no evidence of your prediction of Sweden's health care running over. Got it.

Lets be honest there was NO running over of health care in any of the major cities
China did handle their outbreak in temporary facilities & NYC turned out to be #FakeNews (the tv networks were caught showing Italian hospitals as NYC hospitals)

The only places that got "overrun" were the small provincial places (eg northern Italy) where local hospitals had no chance

Look around; its months after and there are no news stories or sources to back up any valid overruns other than fear

Not even DS would try to make that kind of claim (I kind of wish he would though as it'd be funny...)

 

[danmand]

Again the irony in the BS you post claiming my post was false / misleading lol

1- No I gave my own personal THEORY (and I even posted it as such). You still have not given your take on why case and death curves in Norway are in opposition to each other.
2- This is totally true, both on my posts and on your own sources. Norway has far more deaths in past 7 days than they had in past 21 days. The last spike they had was long past.
3- ditto #2, methinks you do not like clicking on links or something
4- Um data for density was YOUR idea; I just put the figures up (which you quoted in your response even lol) to show you had no clue. Somehow you think a city in Sweden has comparable population density to a city in Norway / Finland and that (somehow) the density of other neighbours (Netherlands) should be overlooked. I could repost but its right above this post so whats the point



Wrong again bucko
Denmark has not opened up (yet; it will soon - June 8th is posted date online assuming no changes) Current restriction is max 10 people distanced apart and nothing social (eg movies, parks etc) are allowed (yet)
Sweden is more open than Denmark is at this point
Also Denmark is the country with second longest lockdown in place; only Italy has been closed longer. Denmark locked down BEFORE a single death was recorded in their country. That 500+ deaths all happened after the lockdown


You guys are trolling hard man
Have fun



Lets be honest there was NO running over of health care in any of the major cities
China did handle their outbreak in temporary facilities & NYC turned out to be #FakeNews (the tv networks were caught showing Italian hospitals as NYC hospitals)

The only places that got "overrun" were the small provincial places (eg northern Italy) where local hospitals had no chance

Look around; its months after and there are no news stories or sources to back up any valid overruns other than fear

Not even DS would try to make that kind of claim (I kind of wish he would though as it'd be funny...)

Sorry, TJ, the debate is over. You just have to realize you were wrong.

 

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Sorry, TJ, the debate is over. You just have to realize you were wrong.

Teejay is another one of these guys who is out of touch with the data and the facts we know regarding the Coronavirus.
He is still claiming and comparing the Coronavirus to the flu
He still claims the Coronavirus pandemic is fake
He is one of these "open businesses now/Sweden success" crowd that is using false and misleading information to support the narrative he is spinning

He is so out of touch with the facts and data that he is Claiming Sweden has stable #'s of cases and deaths have started decreasing while claiming Norway's cases have flattened, deaths are spiking, Denmark's numbers are stable but still high cases + deaths where all the data prove the the exact opposite.
He still hasn't figured out the importance of a 14 day cycle in regards to the data that he views a one day increase or decrease as his evidence

Norway's daily cases have been on a steady decline since March 27th when they had their peak of 399, since April 17th Norway has had less than 100 new daily cases with 18 days being below 50/day. Deaths in Norway have been in single digits since April 20th with 14 days of only 0 or 1/day

Denmark's daily cases have been on a steady decline since April 7th when they had their peak of 390, since April 26th Denmark has been below 200 new daily cases with 5 days being below 100/day. Deaths in Denmark have been on a steady decline since April 4th where they had their daily high of 22 with the majority of days 27 specifically being 10 or lower per day with multiple days of no deaths.

Sweden on the other hand has 26 days of at least 500+/day cases since April 1st with only 1 day during that time period going below 250, Daily deaths in Sweden during that same time period has been over 50/day for 30 days and 13 days of those 30 being over 100/day deaths.
The importance of knowing the facts and data is these "Sweden success/open businesses now" crowd cannot get away with these false nonsense.