The challenges of re-opening in this environment

[bebe]

The OP has gotta answer few questions honestly to himself:

What if a girl or a client dies because the agency was open? (teenagers and people in their 20's, 30's have also died, anyone can die or get severely ill).

Reminds me of this movie I watched, older man goes to see an escort, he dies of a heart attack. Bet in real life that has happened. Who is responsible for his death?

If any client sees a girl he knows full well C19 is still out there and he accepts that risk so does the girl. Very few young healthy people have died of C19 in Ontario. A vast majority of the deaths occurred in the elderly or those with pre existing medical conditions

 

[SowelHung]

Reminds me of this movie I watched, older man goes to see an escort, he dies of a heart attack. Bet in real life that has happened. Who is responsible for his death?

If any client sees a girl he knows full well C19 is still out there and he accepts that risk so does the girl. Very few young healthy people have died of C19 in Ontario. A vast majority of the deaths occurred in the elderly or those with pre existing medical conditions

I know the movie you are talking about but you have the story wrong. The story is young man sees escort, gets C19 and passes it to his grandfather who then dies of C19. The moral of the story is that the young man got laid and C19 did not affect his health, a very wholesome family type movie.

 

[bebe]

I know the movie you are talking about but you have the story wrong. The story is young man sees escort, gets C19 and passes it to his grandfather who then dies of C19. The moral of the story is that the young man got laid and C19 did not affect his health, a very wholesome family type movie.

The responsibility lies with the young man in your story. Not the world’s problem. If the young man seeing the girl is not willing to accept the risks don’t hobby, don’t leave your house, he should get himself a plastic bubble and live inside until a vaccine is found, provided they can find one that is safe and effective

The virus can be picked up anytime anywhere.

 

[kxbox]

One difficult challenge business is going to face is to
keep the temperature in ventilated indoor space
as moderately high as we can in summer. But then
people don't seem to believe warmer weather
not being a factor in the lower death rate in Asia.
Persuading people to turn down air-conditioning
is going to be a hard-sell.

Except there's 0 peer reviewed evidence or clinical studies that conclusively prove this. All the announcements were made prematurely by media outlets when it comes to the correlation of transmission / infection rate and the temperature.

 

[Valcazar]

People often bring up the fact that there are many asymptomatic cases as evidence of increased danger due to silent spreading.

However, it is at the same time evidence of decreased danger due to a lower lethality. 96% of cases being asymptomatic means that even if you contract the disease, 96% of the time you will not even get sick (in the sense of experiencing any symptoms).

Something to keep in mind when talking about articles like this. The media is terrible about distinguishing asymptomatic from presymptomatic. Remember there is a long incubation period here. Many of those people will eventually show symptoms. (Different studies have shown different rates.)

That result isn't actually saying that 96% of people who get infected never develop symptoms.

 

[Leslielake]

You are out of touch with the times, some agencies are still open, many many girls are still working. The adult industry will not be the last to open, it never closed.

Stop spreading lies.

I know indies are advertising (many for online meetings, some in person) but all reputable agencies are closed. Perhaps an odd Asian agency is open at this time. They are playing with fire for sure. The adult industry is shut at the moment - close to 90-95%. No industry never fully shuts down no matter what sector. There’s literally no demand for international travel right now and yet you see an odd passenger airline flying to Europe/Asia.

If a reputable agency opens up in the midst of the guidelines of ‘physical distancing’ and an unfortunate event takes place (death of a girl), they will get into a LOT of shit. As Warren Buffet said ‘the world has changed for the airlines’ when he sold all his stakes the other day. Same can be said about the agencies, whether the world has changed for them for a long term or short term, we will find out in months ahead.

Indies are not answerable to anyone but agencies are, that’s the difference.

 

[yomero5]

Don, If a client or a girl gets infected - trust me they will do a rigorous contact tracing. And when government and health officials are strictly advising to maintain physical distancing - and if they trace it back to your agency, you can get into a lot of shit.

Your are a silly scaremonger! No client or SW is going to admit to taking part in this hobby. We would simply say that we go grocery shopping once a week and probably got infected there :doh::.

 

[Leslielake]

Your are a silly scaremonger! No client or SW is going to admit to taking part in this hobby. We would simply say that we go grocery shopping once a week and probably got infected there :doh::.

They will do a rigorous contact tracing because it is an effective way to control the virus.

A single guy like me who rarely interacts with anyone and he shows up to see an escort - I will be pretty sure where I got it from. You can’t simply walk in a grocery store and get infected - you have to be very close to someone for a little while to get infected. Please learn some basics about the virus.

 

[drewstar]

You can get the virus from anywhere. Only a fool would say he got it from seeing an escort. If you touch your eyes mouth etc after touching a contaminated surface you can get it that way as an example. Natural selection will run its course eventually.

 

[yomero5]

They will do a rigorous contact tracing because it is an effective way to control the virus.

A single guy like me who rarely interacts with anyone and he shows up to see an escort - I will be pretty sure where I got it from. You can’t simply walk in a grocery store and get infected - you have to be very close to someone for a little while to get infected. Please learn some basics about the virus.

You are so silly. Better choose another hobby, like stamp collecting.

 

[yomero5]

They will track down all those you have been in close contact. It's called contact tracing. And much easier if you have actually communicated with the provider. You can have sex but you cant hide it.

How? is the agency going to give your phone number to the contact tracers?!

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

You can get the virus from anywhere. Only a fool would say he got it from seeing an escort. If you touch your eyes mouth etc after touching a contaminated surface you can get it that way as an example. Natural selection will run its course eventually.

I agree with your thinking, to better explain perhaps what you're saying is - the virus has a known 7-14 day incubation period. While the likelyhood of catching a virus is the highest percentage from someone you have been intimate with (i.e. a SP) it is not conclusive as many will imply or flat out suggest.

A difficult to argue comparable would be if you saw an escort in the last 14 days but also have a roommate/live together family member and you both test positive. Did the roommate/family member give it to you, sharing a home? Did you catch it somewhere, perhaps the SP and give it to your roommate/family member? We can all quickly jump to the 'likely scenario', myself included - I write this post to simply identify there is no conclusive proof of who/where you caught this virus from unless you are extremely self quarantined other than a select encounter with someone else, SP or otherwise.

Food for thought.

 

[drewstar]

I agree with your thinking, to better explain perhaps what you're saying is - the virus has a known 7-14 day incubation period. While the likelyhood of catching a virus is the highest percentage from someone you have been intimate with (i.e. a SP) it is not conclusive as many will imply or flat out suggest.

A difficult to argue comparable would be if you saw an escort in the last 14 days but also have a roommate/live together family member and you both test positive. Did the roommate/family member give it to you, sharing a home? Did you catch it somewhere, perhaps the SP and give it to your roommate/family member? We can all quickly jump to the 'likely scenario', myself included - I write this post to simply identify there is no conclusive proof of who/where you caught this virus from unless you are extremely self quarantined other than a select encounter with someone else, SP or otherwise.

Food for thought.

Agreed.

Too many variables to know for sure where you catch it if you do.

 

[Leimonis]

safety first

 

[doggystyle99]

The rate of death due to motor vehicle accidents is not something you'd expect to vary significantly between age groups. If it's 71 deaths/million for the entire population, it's likely to be in the same ballpark for the segment of the population under 65 as well.

So, if we are trying to compare the level of risk to those under 65 from coronavirus vs. motor vehicle accidents, I believe the comparison I made is valid.



We don't know what would have happened if different public policy choices had been taken, and we'll never know. We can only make models / predictions (retroactive ones in this case), and a wide range of predictions have been made by members of the scientific community.

To give one example of a dissenting opinion on this topic in the scientific community, Nobel prize-winning scientist and professor Michael Levitt has argued recently that unrestrained exponential growth was never a realistic model, and lockdowns likely played only a minor role in a flattening of the curve which likely would have happened anyways.

Comparing the total number of motor vehicle accident deaths VS the number of people under 65 years of age deaths due to Covid-19 is attempting to minimize the effects of the virus.
Even if you are attempting to compare the total number of motor vehicle accident deaths VS the total number of deaths from Covid-19 it's still not a good comparison but you took it one step further as you want to downplay the effects of the Coronavirus. I didn't even verify the number of motor vehicle accidents you posted to be correct or not but compared to the Coronavirus as of today 121 deaths/Million VS 71 deaths/Million it is still far below the threat of the virus and we're only 2 months in where the number of accidents is for a full year.

As for the link you provide, the author Levitt claims "regardless of government interventions there is only a 2 week exponential growth of cases" and that simply is not true, neither in the countries that placed shutdown on businesses late or in countries that have kept businesses open. We know full well the we would be in a far worse situation if countries had kept their borders, travel and businesses open as usual.

Here is a list of the exponential growth start and finish date for some countries.
Spain---March 1 - March 26
Italy----February 21 - March 21
USA----March 1 - April 4
UK------March 2 - April 10
Russia--March 15 - ???
Brazil---March 10 - ???
The exponential growth in these countries is at least 3.5 weeks and in Russia and Brazil it's still ongoing for 8 weeks.

 

[yomero5]

The agency doesnt have to give your number to anyone. There is currently technology that can inform the telephone numbers and identities of those you have been in contact with over a certain period of time. Its called contact tracing.

In Asia, this technology has been further refined to detect those you have come in close contact with that are infected with the coronavirus. Privacy issues in North America and Europe have curtailed the use of this technology.

Lol, don't fret. This will never happen in Canada.

 

[SchlongConery]

The agency doesnt have to give your number to anyone. There is currently technology that can inform the telephone numbers and identities of those you have been in contact with over a certain period of time. Its called contact tracing. .

Technically perhaps, in practical terms no.

Obtaining such information (even IF the Province or Federal govt comes up with a tracing plan) would require a Warrant. I doubt that there is any agency (police/health etc) that would put the effort into preparing an information (with evidence) to get such a warrant to contact trace you seeing an escort.

And that is if they can figure a timely way through the (essentially closed) Court system.

Never mind if you add the use of a texting app to the agency, don't use your real name etc.

 

[Valcazar]

The tech being pitched in some places is a bit more elegant than that. Phones close to each other exchange a random number. That number is kept for 14 days (or 21). If someone is diagnosed as sick, they tell the app they are sick. Everyone who has the matching random numbers on the phone of the sick person gets an alert that they were next to a sick person in the last 14 days.

They can then go into get tested.

 

[SchlongConery]

Lol, don't fret. This will never happen in Canada.

While I am no conspiracy theorist, it already does happen. This is part of Canadian society's "deal" with "free" services like Facebook and Google products/search/gmail/maps etc. These entities KNOOW where you aare, where you went, who you are in contact with, what your interests are (including escorts- yes Google knows and ties your visits to TERB with all the rest of your internet usage) and so much more.

Now, whether the government can get away with it... that is another issue. Personally I don't think the currently elected Liberal govt is inclined that way, but I also know that the swivel servants/Deputy Ministers and policing authorities would LOVE to have this information and might use this pandemic as a reason to lobby/advise elected MP's to consider enacting such a surveillance law. Just like the post 9/11 "Homeland" Security laws.

 

[SchlongConery]

The tech being pitched in some places is a bit more elegant than that. Phones close to each other exchange a random number. That number is kept for 14 days (or 21). If someone is diagnosed as sick, they tell the app they are sick. Everyone who has the matching random numbers on the phone of the sick person gets an alert that they were next to a sick person in the last 14 days.

They can then go into get tested.

I understand that Apple and Google are working on a Bluetooth proximity app that is firewalled off from identifying individuals or serving the data to govt.

Details here. https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/10/...irus-covid-19-contact-tracing-app-details-use