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I don’t even know what day it is anymore. It takes me a week to leave my house and go to the post office, inside a drug store. I’m so sick of this shit.
Philip
Philip
The challenges of re-opening in this environment
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I've been hobbying since 2006; and I have a ton of experiences and memories; and I am so thankful that I was able to get so much activity in over the years before this pandemic hit.
I had nothing better to do last night, like most of you - so I surfed Pornhub for three hours and jerked off twice; doesn't replace sexual intercourse with a woman, but it is 100% safe and costs me nothing.
The harsh reality is this: The nature of this business makes it absolutely impossible to eliminate the risks.
It's similar to what is going on in the meat processing plants across Canada and the United States, where people are working "shoulder-to-shoulder"; those plants weren't designed with social distancing in mind, and are simply not viable if the workers were to be spread out.
So, the choice is this: stay closed (and lose $); or reopen and everyone just has to take a chance.
Even if the organized sex industry in Toronto were to do a "soft restart" later in May or in early June....things are not going to be the same. We all know this. The industry is not going to return to what it once was until either the pandemic ends; or we have a viable vaccine.
At least TDL generally uses hotels for the incalls, so I would imagine TDL has few fixed costs.
What about the agencies like Sassy Angels, who rent two apartments in a purpose built rental downtown? Those are the agencies that would feel pressured to re-open; and which probably could not survive a prolonged shutdown.
I had nothing better to do last night, like most of you - so I surfed Pornhub for three hours and jerked off twice; doesn't replace sexual intercourse with a woman, but it is 100% safe and costs me nothing.
The harsh reality is this: The nature of this business makes it absolutely impossible to eliminate the risks.
It's similar to what is going on in the meat processing plants across Canada and the United States, where people are working "shoulder-to-shoulder"; those plants weren't designed with social distancing in mind, and are simply not viable if the workers were to be spread out.
So, the choice is this: stay closed (and lose $); or reopen and everyone just has to take a chance.
Even if the organized sex industry in Toronto were to do a "soft restart" later in May or in early June....things are not going to be the same. We all know this. The industry is not going to return to what it once was until either the pandemic ends; or we have a viable vaccine.
At least TDL generally uses hotels for the incalls, so I would imagine TDL has few fixed costs.
What about the agencies like Sassy Angels, who rent two apartments in a purpose built rental downtown? Those are the agencies that would feel pressured to re-open; and which probably could not survive a prolonged shutdown.
If I was an agency owner, I would reopen after the May long weekend. Let the Government reopen some other businesses in the meantime. Next week the agencies could start to take pre-bookings to see which girls want to work and what the demand will be like for the following week.
I would ask each girl if she wants to enforce her own rules such as not seeing clients above a certain age, race, if she has stopped providing all oral services, ask if she wants to limit the number of clients she wants to see during her shift etc. I think the SP needs to be the one who decides is she wants to see the client when he arrives at the door. She should have the freedom to decline without blowback and the agency is not on the hook to compensate the guy for "wasted" time, gas, parking, 407. Odds are you lied about your age, race, general health to get a booking so the client should have thought twice about trying to bypass the new screening process.
Obviously showering before and after, not just for the men but the girls needs to be strictly enforced. Agencies need to give the girls at least 30 mins between clients. No more of this 15 minute bull shit between clients (this comment is not focused at TP, its just a general comment).
Agencies need to step it up in terms of fresh/clean/new bed linen, pillows and pillow cases. Not sure what can be done at the hotels.
The SP needs to have the flexibility to cancel her shift last minute if she feels unwell without the agency blasting her or feeling pressured to work.
I would ask each girl if she wants to enforce her own rules such as not seeing clients above a certain age, race, if she has stopped providing all oral services, ask if she wants to limit the number of clients she wants to see during her shift etc. I think the SP needs to be the one who decides is she wants to see the client when he arrives at the door. She should have the freedom to decline without blowback and the agency is not on the hook to compensate the guy for "wasted" time, gas, parking, 407. Odds are you lied about your age, race, general health to get a booking so the client should have thought twice about trying to bypass the new screening process.
Obviously showering before and after, not just for the men but the girls needs to be strictly enforced. Agencies need to give the girls at least 30 mins between clients. No more of this 15 minute bull shit between clients (this comment is not focused at TP, its just a general comment).
Agencies need to step it up in terms of fresh/clean/new bed linen, pillows and pillow cases. Not sure what can be done at the hotels.
The SP needs to have the flexibility to cancel her shift last minute if she feels unwell without the agency blasting her or feeling pressured to work.
Using hotels in times of normal occupancy is one thing but during the pandemic when the hotels are almost empty would the agency not stand out ?
I wish it was that simple. Maybe I stay away from escorts but you don’t. Then you get CV19 and transmit it to a friend...then I go to the grocery store and get it from your friend.
Probably not the best example as I doubt you actually have any friends but I’m sure you get the idea. This isn’t like an STD scenario where I can protect myself by not having sex...it doesn’t work that way. What you do directly affects me. *shudders*
I'd love to sympathize with you, but we do this by choice. This is also an high risk activity even when one is healthy. The escorts see a lot of guys(a lot!), so regardless of the precautions, we're playing lottery with our health. I'm not even going to bother with the legal, financial and violence issues. It's not that I don't care. I simply weigh the risks as all others, I hope, and go about my business.If I’m old, sick, or frail I will also need to figure out a way to stay away from people like you who don’t care if they have the virus and have no regard for whether they kill me with it.
Most hotels are run on a franchise basis; many have simply closed as they can't cover fixed costs; those that remain open are less than 10% occupancy; that hotel investor has bills to pay as well, and I would think they would welcome the business...provided the agency and the clients don't cause any problems.
Your lack of regard for the safety and well-being of others is far more disturbing.
As I explained to smallcock, your choice to engage in higher risk behaviours directly jeopardizes the wellbeing of others.
This is not the kinda situation where you can just do your thing and I’ll do mine and we’ll just live and let live. If you pick up cv19 from an escort you could then transmit the virus to me even if we don’t fuck. My safety depends on your choices and vice-versa.
Bingo.
All of the suggestions to reduce risk above are absolutely ridiculous. You either take the plunge, fuck strangers, and risk getting covid (assuming you haven't had it already and recovered without knowing you ever had it), or you don't.
I'm not going to stop living because there's a virus going around with a fraction of a percent in the mortality department. The quality of life is everything to me. Everyone knows who is at risk, so protect yourselves and take some fucking responsibility for your lives. If you're afraid or have a legitimate conditions that make you a target for the virus, stay the fuck home- that way you'll not run into me.
Of course we don't want to be reckless with our health, nor with the health of others. But let's also be realistic about the magnitude of the risks we are talking about.
When covid-19 first hit the Western world in March, we knew fairly little about it, and projections of the damage it would do varied widely, with the pessimistic ones skewing towards the apocalyptic (think "millions or tens of millions of deaths in the U.S. alone"). The public health measures that were deployed at the time were designed to protect even against such worst-case scenarios.
As time passes, we are building a more and more accurate picture of how fatal this disease is, and it's increasingly evident that the reality falls far short of the apocalyptic predictions.
According to this Stanford study published today, to date covid-19 has killed 6 out of every million Canadians under the age of 65.
To put that number into perspective, motor vehicle accidents kill 71 out of every million Canadians per year (source). To be sure, covid-19 has not yet been with us for a year, but even if we assume that by the time it has (~March 2021), it will have killed 10x the number it has so far (which is unlikely given that it appears to have peaked already or be in the process of peaking), that's still 60 deaths per million Canadians under 65 per year, comparable to motor vehicle accidents.
Granted, the risk to Canadians over 65 is considerably higher (though still far short of the worst-case estimates). However, this is a general concern affecting the reopening of all sectors of the economy (such as restaurants), and it can be addressed by keeping in place public health measures such as physical distancing and wearing PPE for interactions involving those over 65.
When covid-19 first hit the Western world in March, we knew fairly little about it, and projections of the damage it would do varied widely, with the pessimistic ones skewing towards the apocalyptic (think "millions or tens of millions of deaths in the U.S. alone"). The public health measures that were deployed at the time were designed to protect even against such worst-case scenarios.
As time passes, we are building a more and more accurate picture of how fatal this disease is, and it's increasingly evident that the reality falls far short of the apocalyptic predictions.
According to this Stanford study published today, to date covid-19 has killed 6 out of every million Canadians under the age of 65.
To put that number into perspective, motor vehicle accidents kill 71 out of every million Canadians per year (source). To be sure, covid-19 has not yet been with us for a year, but even if we assume that by the time it has (~March 2021), it will have killed 10x the number it has so far (which is unlikely given that it appears to have peaked already or be in the process of peaking), that's still 60 deaths per million Canadians under 65 per year, comparable to motor vehicle accidents.
Granted, the risk to Canadians over 65 is considerably higher (though still far short of the worst-case estimates). However, this is a general concern affecting the reopening of all sectors of the economy (such as restaurants), and it can be addressed by keeping in place public health measures such as physical distancing and wearing PPE for interactions involving those over 65.
This germophobia mentality weakens your immune systems. why do you think kids play in dirty conditions and like being dirty and put stuff in their mouths? this helps them build immune systems
t's commonplace today for people to clean their hands with antibacterial or antimicrobial soap, spray their bathrooms and kitchens with bleach and other sanitizers and wash their dishes and clothes at "germ-killing" settings. No doubt, it's an effective weapon for keeping germs at bay.
But that doesn't mean we should aim to have our families, including kids whose immune systems are still developing, avoid all germs – if there were even a way to do that. That's because a growing body of research is showing that microbes – microscopic organisms such as bacteria, fungi and viruses – and dirt are crucial for our well-being. Research indicates that early exposures to a variety of microbes may help lower the risk of developing conditions like asthma and allergies.
With the advent of the modern toilets and sewage systems in the early 1900s and subsequent widespread use of antibacterial soaps and other strong cleaning products, living conditions today are much more hygienic than they've ever been before. And that’s a problem, some germ experts say.
According to the hygiene hypothesis, people who grow up in areas with high levels of sanitation lack normal evolutionary exposure to microbes, pollen and other microscopic things in the environment. The lack of that exposure negatively affects the development of their immune system, according to the hypothesis.
https://health.usnews.com/wellness/...s-could-more-dirt-and-germs-boost-your-health
t's commonplace today for people to clean their hands with antibacterial or antimicrobial soap, spray their bathrooms and kitchens with bleach and other sanitizers and wash their dishes and clothes at "germ-killing" settings. No doubt, it's an effective weapon for keeping germs at bay.
But that doesn't mean we should aim to have our families, including kids whose immune systems are still developing, avoid all germs – if there were even a way to do that. That's because a growing body of research is showing that microbes – microscopic organisms such as bacteria, fungi and viruses – and dirt are crucial for our well-being. Research indicates that early exposures to a variety of microbes may help lower the risk of developing conditions like asthma and allergies.
With the advent of the modern toilets and sewage systems in the early 1900s and subsequent widespread use of antibacterial soaps and other strong cleaning products, living conditions today are much more hygienic than they've ever been before. And that’s a problem, some germ experts say.
According to the hygiene hypothesis, people who grow up in areas with high levels of sanitation lack normal evolutionary exposure to microbes, pollen and other microscopic things in the environment. The lack of that exposure negatively affects the development of their immune system, according to the hypothesis.
https://health.usnews.com/wellness/...s-could-more-dirt-and-germs-boost-your-health
My opinion may not count because I'm not a client nor have anything to with agencies but for me, I figure I will wait until at least my dentist can open. I figure when they are allowed, it is probably safe. They work the closest with mouth and where this virus can be transmitted from so if they are good, I should be ok as well.
With screening and safety measures as Don suggested.
With screening and safety measures as Don suggested.
Hmmmmm...let’s see:
1. If refraining from visiting escorts means that you have somehow “stopped living” then you have a serious sex addiction and should seek professional help;
2. Earlier in this thread I suggested a multitude of ideas to mitigate the risk of visiting an escort but you don’t want to do that either;
3. I can take responsibility for my own social distancing but there is a limit to what I can do in that regard and if you insist on spreading the virus around the community it increases the risk to everybody, including me;
4. Perhaps you don’t think the virus is a big deal but most of us do. For you to take the stance that it’s just tough shit if you give cv19 to someone else and kill them because you want to fuck an escort is narcissistic and criminal.
Keep in mind that your dentist will be wearing gloves, mask, and full PPE while working on you. Will you be able in take similar steps when clients visit you?
You are right. Who, in their right mind, is going to sue and have to disclose all of the lurid details in open court? Are a group of clients, none of which know each other or of each other, going to get together for a class action lawsuit? This is highly, highly unlikely. b2oreal's original post is absolutely preposterous. Even "Oracle" would attest to that.
I doubt they will be wearing anything more then masks and gloves. Both of which I can use. Except for the blow job. Unless I cut a hole in the mask.
Would that be like a glory hole? LOL
