The challenges of re-opening in this environment

[Top Drawer]

It’s now almost 2 months that this virus has been the centre of our attention. We’ve been closed since March 18 and we’re now at a point that businesses are starting to receive the go ahead to re-open, but with new rules to minimize the risk of transmission.

Obviously we would like to re-open in a way that would minimize or eliminate the chance of transmission, but I am not finding a solution.

The nature of the personal contact negates the possible measures to reduce the risk. Correct me if I’m wrong but:

1) The virus can be transmitted by the moisture in your breath
2) The incubation period is on average 5-6 days and in some cases up to 14 days that you can have the virus and not show symptoms

The following are some of the ideas I have considered to implement upon re-opening to mitigate transmission risks.

Process: Additional cleaning processes such as using Lysol wipes and purchasing Travel UV Light Wands to disinfect surfaces
Result: This will reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission via surfaces in the room/washroom as well as require us to add time between appointments and an investment into UV light wands
Issue: This does not reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission via the companion to/from the client.

Process: Reduced exposure of 3 clients per day, 4 shifts per week for companions
Result: This will reduce the number of clients the companion is exposed to
Issue: This does not eliminate the risk of transmission. Also, most companions who travel from a great distance or out-of-town don’t want to be limited to 3 appointments. The only way to eliminate risk is 1 appointment every 14 days which is not possible.

Process: Temperature gun test clients upon arrival
Result: This will identify clients with 1 of the symptoms of COVID-19 or maybe just a regular flu
Issue: This will identify some of the infected but not the asymptomatic

Process: Upon initial contact from the client either via text or phone, we ask them to confirm that they don't have symptoms, have not been in contact with someone who has COVID-19, have not travelled in the last 14 days
Result: This will provide a simple attestation from the client and will educate those who are still unaware of the common requirements to quarantine.
Issue: There is no way to validate this attestation.

Not possible: 15 minute tests (we don’t have the expertise or environment to perform this)

As you can see, I’ve been trying to cover all feasible angles with little or no success which leaves us in a position only to ask those who have a high risk, or those who regularly come into contact with those who have a high risk, of becoming seriously ill from this disease not to book with us.

If any of you have any other suggestions I haven’t considered, I would be happy to review them.

Keep safe,

Don
TDL

 

[Smallcock]

Don't overthink it. Open up and those that want to take the minimal risk will do so (SP & client). It's time to start banging strange women again.

 

[Ssuper]

The only safe way is use ladies that have had covid-19 already or if the client can 100% prove they have had it. If you can get a reliable IgG IgM antibody test you could probably hire a nurse to administer the test and read the results.

 

[riskybusiness]

Thanks for sharing Don and it looks like a good effort and thought has been put into this. As you point out, there is an issue/risk with each proposed process/solution. If people want to see a SP/Client and if they're adamant they want to take the risks then there's nothing can be done to stop them.

 

[Gooseifur]

It’s now almost 2 months that this virus has been the centre of our attention. We’ve been closed since March 18 and we’re now at a point that businesses are starting to receive the go ahead to re-open, but with new rules to minimize the risk of transmission.

Obviously we would like to re-open in a way that would minimize or eliminate the chance of transmission, but I am not finding a solution.

The nature of the personal contact negates the possible measures to reduce the risk. Correct me if I’m wrong but:

1) The virus can be transmitted by the moisture in your breath
2) The incubation period is on average 5-6 days and in some cases up to 14 days that you can have the virus and not show symptoms

The following are some of the ideas I have considered to implement upon re-opening to mitigate transmission risks.

Process: Additional cleaning processes such as using Lysol wipes and purchasing Travel UV Light Wands to disinfect surfaces
Result: This will reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission via surfaces in the room/washroom as well as require us to add time between appointments and an investment into UV light wands
Issue: This does not reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission via the companion to/from the client.

Process: Reduced exposure of 3 clients per day, 4 shifts per week for companions
Result: This will reduce the number of clients the companion is exposed to
Issue: This does not eliminate the risk of transmission. Also, most companions who travel from a great distance or out-of-town don’t want to be limited to 3 appointments. The only way to eliminate risk is 1 appointment every 14 days which is not possible.

Process: Temperature gun test clients upon arrival
Result: This will identify clients with 1 of the symptoms of COVID-19 or maybe just a regular flu
Issue: This will identify some of the infected but not the asymptomatic

Process: Upon initial contact from the client either via text or phone, we ask them to confirm that they don't have symptoms, have not been in contact with someone who has COVID-19, have not travelled in the last 14 days
Result: This will provide a simple attestation from the client and will educate those who are still unaware of the common requirements to quarantine.
Issue: There is no way to validate this attestation.

Not possible: 15 minute tests (we don’t have the expertise or environment to perform this)

As you can see, I’ve been trying to cover all feasible angles with little or no success which leaves us in a position only to ask those who have a high risk, or those who regularly come into contact with those who have a high risk, of becoming seriously ill from this disease not to book with us.

If any of you have any other suggestions I haven’t considered, I would be happy to review them.

Keep safe,

Don
TDL

You have some great ideas but ultimately it comes down to the incubation period and the contact between the provider and client. You can cover all your bases except these. It's a very difficult situation. It's up to the client and provider if they want to take the risk.

 

[oil&gas]

One difficult challenge business is going to face is to
keep the temperature in ventilated indoor space
as moderately high as we can in summer. But then
people don't seem to believe warmer weather
not being a factor in the lower death rate in Asia.
Persuading people to turn down air-conditioning
is going to be a hard-sell.

 

[drewstar]

Its going to come down to risk tolerance for each SP and client. Theres no 100% fool proof method of screening. If any individual is unable to accept this risk, then this hobby or line of work will no longer be for them unless things change of course.

 

[TFZL1]

It’s now almost 2 months that this virus has been the centre of our attention. We’ve been closed since March 18 and we’re now at a point that businesses are starting to receive the go ahead to re-open, but with new rules to minimize the risk of transmission.

Obviously we would like to re-open in a way that would minimize or eliminate the chance of transmission, but I am not finding a solution.

The nature of the personal contact negates the possible measures to reduce the risk. Correct me if I’m wrong but:

1) The virus can be transmitted by the moisture in your breath
2) The incubation period is on average 5-6 days and in some cases up to 14 days that you can have the virus and not show symptoms

The following are some of the ideas I have considered to implement upon re-opening to mitigate transmission risks.

Process: Additional cleaning processes such as using Lysol wipes and purchasing Travel UV Light Wands to disinfect surfaces
Result: This will reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission via surfaces in the room/washroom as well as require us to add time between appointments and an investment into UV light wands
Issue: This does not reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission via the companion to/from the client.

Process: Reduced exposure of 3 clients per day, 4 shifts per week for companions
Result: This will reduce the number of clients the companion is exposed to
Issue: This does not eliminate the risk of transmission. Also, most companions who travel from a great distance or out-of-town don’t want to be limited to 3 appointments. The only way to eliminate risk is 1 appointment every 14 days which is not possible.

Process: Temperature gun test clients upon arrival
Result: This will identify clients with 1 of the symptoms of COVID-19 or maybe just a regular flu
Issue: This will identify some of the infected but not the asymptomatic

Process: Upon initial contact from the client either via text or phone, we ask them to confirm that they don't have symptoms, have not been in contact with someone who has COVID-19, have not travelled in the last 14 days
Result: This will provide a simple attestation from the client and will educate those who are still unaware of the common requirements to quarantine.
Issue: There is no way to validate this attestation.

Not possible: 15 minute tests (we don’t have the expertise or environment to perform this)

As you can see, I’ve been trying to cover all feasible angles with little or no success which leaves us in a position only to ask those who have a high risk, or those who regularly come into contact with those who have a high risk, of becoming seriously ill from this disease not to book with us.

If any of you have any other suggestions I haven’t considered, I would be happy to review them.

Keep safe,

Don
TDL

Good Thinking Don, yes you can reduce dish with the extreme measures you’re talking about but no way to eliminate risk for clients or the lovely ladies.
Just like the rest of the world and the general public, there will always be a risk.
Obviously the PPE hospital style won’t work.

Don’t know what/when your plans are, but I bet if you watch, the world will look a lot more normal in 4 weeks. My only recommendation would be, don’t jump the gun. When The girls go back to work, Clients will be there.

I’m going back to work this week, my particular job is safe in isolation, but our industry and company was shut down.

 

[Gooseifur]

I would get the clients to sign a waiver that it is their responsibility if they get sick. One thing to think about is the length of the incubation period. If the max is 14 days and with the schedule you have set up. If a girl gets sick she could infect 12-24 men during that time.

 

[Top Drawer]

The statistics so far show that for the young and the healthy, the coronavirus is no worse than the flu. So your girls should be more than likely okay when they start working. Further proof of this is the fact several girls on leolist and spdir are working and nothing untoward has been reported to date. If a working girl has succumbed, the news would have been shouted from the roof top. Keep in mind, however, that the risk is not totally zero.

The people most at risk would be your clients, several of whom are in the more vulnerable +60 year old age group and/or have underlying medical issues.

Then if a client gets sick or, worse, dies after seeing one of your girls or if a girl gets sick and, in the unlikely event, dies, despite taking every precaution possible, you will be putting yourself in legal jeopardy. Is it really worth it? Only you can decide. Good luck.

Uhhh... legal responsibility? I don't think so. Firstly, we don't have the ability to purchase business insurance that covers this activity. Secondly, we don't encourage this activity, we only facilitate it. We will provide adequate warning, but we don't have the ability to take legal responsibility. At some point, we have to take responsibility for our own actions.

Don
TDL

 

[Top Drawer]

I would get the clients to sign a waiver that it is their responsibility if they get sick. One thing to think about is the length of the incubation period. If the max is 14 days and with the schedule you have set up. If a girl gets sick she could infect 12-24 men during that time.

Waivers require ID validation and a witness which eliminates the anonymity clients currently enjoy using this business which is something I don't see happening.

Don
TDL

 

[Smallcock]

Secondly, we don't encourage this activity, we only facilitate it.

Hahaha

 

[b2oreal]

If you reopen and one of your girls infects a group of people before she shows symptoms, and your agency gets identified through contact tracing it will make the news - guaranteed. You will lose your business.

 

[Darts]

Longos now require all customers to wear a mask inside their stores. Hopefully, this will stop those who eat the grapes before paying for them.

 

[Smallcock]

Longos now require all customers to wear a mask inside their stores. Hopefully, this will stop those who eat the grapes before paying for them.

But how do you know if you're getting a sweet or sour batch without the taste test?

 

[Darts]

But how do you know if you're getting a sweet or sour batch without the taste test?

LOL! We should also apply this "test" to dancers, MPA's and escorts.

 

[drewstar]

b2oreal - I disagree. Firstly, I doubt ANYONE that gets Covid is going to be keen enough to share their extracurricular activities with medical officials, I know I wouldn't. Second of all, they have been hesitant to "out" businesses by name, mainly out of fear of legal repercussions. Are they able to prove that that is where they contracted it from? Is someone simply wishing harm upon a business? How many people have contracted the virus from Home Depot or Wal Mart or Canadian Tire? Nothing makes the news.

Open up, take the extra precautions and let those that want to work, work. And those that want to hobby, hobby. For crying out loud it is STILL happening regardless. Those that don't feel comfortable, wait it out on the sidelines.

Preach.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

The only safe way is use ladies that have had covid-19 already or if the client can 100% prove they have had it. If you can get a reliable IgG IgM antibody test you could probably hire a nurse to administer the test and read the results.

There is no reliable data that says once you have had it, you can’t get it again. The CDC and WHO have said they simply don’t know.

 

[surferboy]

Uhhh... legal responsibility? I don't think so. Firstly, we don't have the ability to purchase business insurance that covers this activity. Secondly, we don't encourage this activity, we only facilitate it. We will provide adequate warning, but we don't have the ability to take legal responsibility. At some point, we have to take responsibility for our own actions.

Don
TDL

You have a conundrum on your hands Don to say the least! Let's say for example some healthy single 50yo who is not working, only goes out to do his groceries & essentials & wears a mask. For the most part is practising his social distancing & really has little exposure to the virus...but porn isn't enough & he needs to get laid! Makes an appointment with your agency or another reputable one, does the nasty & days later becomes ill, goes to his doc or hospital & they ask who he's had direct contact with. He's not married, & realizes more than likely he got this from an escort & wants to do the right thing & tell the truth so others don't get infected...

Won't sugar coat it, I can see this as a big fukking problem for that agency & the rest of the biz! You know as well as I do if someone dies & in your own words you help facilitate it, or are any part of it there are legal consequences. I'm sure you all have legal counsel to advise you on these types of issues, but yeah what a conundrum...

I've done stupid things & taken risks all my life, but the older I get the more I value my health & the less risk I like to take! Unless you have an absolute 10, blonde, blue eyed, 5'7 +, <130lbs, <30 (please dm if you ever get one!) I'm probably going to sit it out for a while. The ladies that are in their teens & 20's, very little risk to them, but the uni students & girls that offered safer services I'm sure some of those are going to sit it out as well. As much as I was tempted to be part owner in an agency years ago, I'm thankful my big head prevailed. Too much drama dealing with girls that figure out they can make a grand a day anyday of the week & if they don't show up to work tomorrow there's always another day... & now this crap!

Good luck to all you guys

 

[Rugbywolf]

I can only see a way of protecting the client, but not realistically protecting the SP.
When you open make any girl wishing to work self isolate for 14 days at one of your incalls (probably tough for TDL since hotels usually used) and then book appts but really would only work for 1st client. I can't see any way of guaranteeing any prospective client is virus free.
You can only do so much so the cleaning between appts is realistically all you can do and you would have to maybe put a disclaimer regarding virus on your website and ads plus have girls sign waiver with agency stating they understand the risks.
I would imagine the escort agency type of business would be among the last to open along with spa's, nail salons and grooming places in the multi phase openings that Government is talking about.