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Frankfooter

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The middle has essentially disappeared or is disappearing along with the middle class. Depending on which class you associate with, that would sway your vote. ie if you want "free stuff", vote left; if you don't want your grandchildren to pay off your debt, vote right.
Except that right wingers now increase the debt even more than the left.
Trump was going to hit $1 trillion in debt before the virus hit during what he called the best economy ever.
Ford raised Ontario's deficit, didn't lower it.
Harper also increased it and the only PM in Canada that lowered the debt was the liberal Paul Martin.

Your theory is false.
 

danmand

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Except that right wingers now increase the debt even more than the left.
Trump was going to hit $1 trillion in debt before the virus hit during what he called the best economy ever.
Ford raised Ontario's deficit, didn't lower it.
Harper also increased it and the only PM in Canada that lowered the debt was the liberal Paul Martin.

Your theory is false.
The playbook of the conservatives is the same all over the world:

1. Lower taxes and increase budget for the military.

2. Huge deficit results

3. Cut social programs in order to decrease the deficit

4 Go back to 1.
 

Boober69

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The playbook of the conservatives is the same all over the world:

1. Lower taxes and increase budget for the military.

2. Huge deficit results

3. Cut social programs in order to decrease the deficit

4 Go back to 1.
Same all over the world? I don't see major investments in Canada's military do you?
 

Boober69

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Except that right wingers now increase the debt even more than the left.
Trump was going to hit $1 trillion in debt before the virus hit during what he called the best economy ever.
Ford raised Ontario's deficit, didn't lower it.
Harper also increased it and the only PM in Canada that lowered the debt was the liberal Paul Martin.

Your theory is false.
Says the guy who complains about cuts, then complains when they walk those cuts back. You just hop from one to the other. Your whole life is false.
 

danmand

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Same all over the world? I don't see major investments in Canada's military do you?
Stephen Harper used that exact playbook.
 

Frankfooter

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The playbook of the conservatives is the same all over the world:

1. Lower taxes and increase budget for the military.

2. Huge deficit results

3. Cut social programs in order to decrease the deficit

4 Go back to 1.
Fair assessment.

Says the guy who complains about cuts, then complains when they walk those cuts back. You just hop from one to the other. Your whole life is false.
Failed response with nothing for rebuttal.
 

Gooseifur

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A few days ago, I posted somewhere on TERB that whatever happened to the “middle”? Trump’s election has so solidified the extremes that it is almost as though there is no middle any more. What happened to terms such as “fiscally conservative, socially liberal”? These days, it appears, you are either on the left. Or, on the right. There is almost no ground left in the middle.
Actually the majority are in the middle. They are the ones that determine the elections, they just don't really have a candidate to call their own. They are forced to choose a side every 4 years.
 

danmand

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Actually the majority are in the middle. They are the ones that determine the elections, they just don't really have a candidate to call their own. They are forced to choose a side every 4 years.
This is where you are mistaken and going with the propaganda. The choice the Americans have is (to be generous) between a far right and a right fraction of the same party. The ruling class is perpetuating the mirage that there is a choice between two different parties, when in reality they both are beholden to the same interest. Look at Biden's voting record.
 

Boober69

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Stephen Harper used that exact playbook.
Do you see majot investments in Canada's military? Canada doesn't even contribute its obligations to the UN.

So the statement that "increases budget for the military" is part of the conservative playbook is wrong.
 

Boober69

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Fair assessment.



Failed response with nothing for rebuttal.

I guess you've bought into the "the budget will balance itself" lie?

Skipping over 15 years of Liberal rule and the horrific Ontario debt again? All you say is that Ford is increasing it but then cry like a bitch when cuts are suggested?

You also refuse to think about what $1 billion per month could be paying for right now. But instead, it's going to pay off interest on the provincial Liberal debt. You just can't come to terms with that and gloss over it.

You're a fraud.
 

Frankfooter

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I guess you've bought into the "the budget will balance itself" lie?

Skipping over 15 years of Liberal rule and the horrific Ontario debt again? All you say is that Ford is increasing it but then cry like a bitch when cuts are suggested?

You also refuse to think about what $1 billion per month could be paying for right now. But instead, it's going to pay off interest on the provincial Liberal debt. You just can't come to terms with that and gloss over it.

You're a fraud.
Stop monologuing.

Fixing the deficit isn't that hard, more corporate taxes more taxes on the rich.
Austerity has been tried multiple times and failed every single time, it never balances the budget or leads to economic growth.

And in Canada only the liberals have lowered the debt nationally.
Provincially Ontario has suffered through paying more than our share federally. The liberals did add to the debt but they kept Ontario growing.
Take a look at Alberta where under decades of conservative rule and big oil income all they did was lower taxes and set them up for a massive debt now that oil prices are low. With nothing in the coffers.

Here's a challenge for you.
Show me one country that has instituted the financial policies you back and successfully grown their economy and paid down their debt.
You'll fail and still think you're backing a winning plan.
 

Boober69

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Stop monologuing.

Fixing the deficit isn't that hard, more corporate taxes more taxes on the rich.
Austerity has been tried multiple times and failed every single time, it never balances the budget or leads to economic growth.

And in Canada only the liberals have lowered the debt nationally.
Provincially Ontario has suffered through paying more than our share federally. The liberals did add to the debt but they kept Ontario growing.
Take a look at Alberta where under decades of conservative rule and big oil income all they did was lower taxes and set them up for a massive debt now that oil prices are low. With nothing in the coffers.

Here's a challenge for you.
Show me one country that has instituted the financial policies you back and successfully grown their economy and paid down their debt.
You'll fail and still think you're backing a winning plan.
In Canada, who do you consider "the rich"? Last I checked they pay higher taxes than anyone else. Why should they pay more? i.e. why should people who make more money be punished by having to pay disproportionately more than anyone else? That is a road to Communism which you refuse to acknowledge because that's really what you would want.
 

Frankfooter

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In Canada, who do you consider "the rich"? Last I checked they pay higher taxes than anyone else. Why should they pay more? i.e. why should people who make more money be punished by having to pay disproportionately more than anyone else? That is a road to Communism which you refuse to acknowledge because that's really what you would want.
You are such a hypocrite, boob.
Why is it that everything has to be about absolutes with you people?
You really don't understand Canada's history of progressive taxation.
 

Boober69

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You are such a hypocrite, boob.


You really don't understand Canada's history of progressive taxation.
I understand it, doesn't mean that I agree with it.

Someone I used to work with and have kept in contact with over the years told me they received a bonus at work earlier this year which was based on performance (his & the company's). He calculated that 56% was taken off the amount for taxes.

How is that fair? Or even legal?

Mobsters extort less than that!
 
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Back to OP ...... this is what you get when the opposition can't field a decent candidate. Did they learn anything from 2016? Nope, they are about to nominate an even worse candidate who can't even remember what he's running for. 4 more years of the less objectionable candidate .............
 

Frankfooter

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I understand it, doesn't mean that I agree with it.

Someone I used to work with and have kept in contact with over the years told me they received a bonus at work earlier this year which was based on performance (his & the company's). He calculated that 56% was taken off the amount for taxes.

How is that fair? Or even legal?

Mobsters extort less than that!
How are you going to get rid of the debt if you don't have taxes, boob?
I thought you were all for paying down the debt and deficit.
Who do you think is going to do it?

Its a bonus, you mean he can't afford tax on a bonus?

And sorry to hear about your mobster problem, though I'm sure its less of an issue in the nursing home.
Losing half your pudding will be good for you in the long term.
 

Boober69

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How are you going to get rid of the debt if you don't have taxes, boob?
I thought you were all for paying down the debt and deficit.
Who do you think is going to do it?

Its a bonus, you mean he can't afford tax on a bonus?

And sorry to hear about your mobster problem, though I'm sure its less of an issue in the nursing home.
Losing half your pudding will be good for you in the long term.
How have taxes contributed to lowering the deficit so far?

Just like running up your credit card due to reckless spending...you cut things. That's how the real world works.

Who cares if it's a bonus, he earned it based on doing good work and that's a perk his company offers for good performers. It's income. Why should he lose more than half of it to taxes?
 

Frankfooter

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How have taxes contributed to lowering the deficit so far?
That's got to be one of the most idiotic questions posted here.
If you have credit card debt not buying things won't get rid of it, you need to pay it off.
 

shack

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How have taxes contributed to lowering the deficit so far?
This might be a tough question for you but:

What would happen to the deficit if there were no taxes?
 

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Back to OP ...... this is what you get when the opposition can't field a decent candidate. Did they learn anything from 2016? Nope, they are about to nominate an even worse candidate who can't even remember what he's running for. 4 more years of the less objectionable candidate .............
I do agree with this. Despite my very clear dislike for Trump, I cannot say that I can get terribly excited for Biden.
 
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