End the Lockdown

[Smallcock]

Will the government supply the vaccine faster than they've supplied masks if/when it's ready? In fact, they haven't even done the latter.

 

[squeezer]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Sweden doesn't have anything to be proud of and I think it's going to get worse if they actually test enough to know the real stats.

 

[basketcase]

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Nevermind the fact that millions of Canadians are unemployed, we are IMPORTING foreign workers from places like China, Philippines, and Central America lol...

How many unemployed Canadians would be willing to do those hard labour jobs for the low wages they pay?

 

[basketcase]

The only way to try and slowly reopen is if we make the use of masks manditory.
Look at Taiwan.

Sure. It will work if:
a) people actually follow the rules (which we don't seem very good at)
b) we do like Taiwan and institute testing at all ports of entry and devote resources to contact tracing.

 

[apoptygma]

How many unemployed Canadians would be willing to do those hard labour jobs for the low wages they pay?

Right?
A division of my employer brings in seasonal workers for the growing season.
As a condition of the foreign temporary worker program, my employer has to monthly post job listings for the positions that the temporary foreign workers are filling.
Guess how many locals respond to those job listings?

 

[canada-man]

We're ready to fight the virus, ready to fight to get back to work and ready to fight to re-open our country in a safe and strategic way.

 

[squeezer]

I have stated what Sweden has done without shutting down their economy and destroying jobs. I never said we should copy what they have done willy nilly. There is a balance somewhere which does not involve destroying millions of jobs. For example, since children dont seem affected by the virus, schools could have remained open. Restaurants and bars could have been spaced out instead of forcing them to close. Hairdressing salons should remain closed because of direct human contact. Hope some of this is understandable to you.

Another Dr. Oz fan. You do realize kids can easily carry the virus and infect parents and grandparents right?

 

[bebe]

residents of nursing homes have been the most severely affected since all of them have underlying medical issues. An intelligent approach would have been to put protective measures in place from the get go seeing they are the most vulnerable. Why wasnt that done?

Seems like such an obvious solution and very affordable. North America had a month of two to plan for this and those in power did nothing, they let life continue until after March break ended (which infected several thousand Canadian while abroad). WE now have to suffer because of their arrogance.

 

[lenny2]

https://apple.news/A0a-lIjrFSfCw-ePxkA5NSQ

“We don’t have a radically different view,” Foreign Minister Ann Linde said in an interview with Radio Sweden. “The government has made a series of decisions that affect the whole society. It’s a myth that life goes on as normal in Sweden.”

 

[lenny2]

I have stated what Sweden has done without shutting down their economy and destroying jobs. I never said we should copy what they have done willy nilly. There is a balance somewhere which does not involve destroying millions of jobs. For example, since children dont seem affected by the virus, schools could have remained open. Restaurants and bars could have been spaced out instead of forcing them to close. Hairdressing salons should remain closed because of direct human contact. Hope some of this is understandable to you.

All over the world, residents of nursing homes have been the most severely affected since all of them have underlying medical issues. An intelligent approach would have been to put protective measures in place from the get go seeing they are the most vulnerable. Why wasnt that done? By the way, do not put words in my mouth. I never referenced nursing homes in my original post so saying I dont think "it wont be a problem here" is hogwash. Got it?

For your information, I have two nurses in my household. They and several of their colleagues will quit if forced to work in infested nursing homes I had to order N95 masks for them to use at work. Who is to blame for the lack of PPE?

"since children dont seem affected by the virus, schools could have remained open"....


"5-year-old daughter of Detroit first responders dies after being diagnosed with coronavirus":

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/us/detroit-girl-dies-coronavirus/index.html

 

[lenny2]

I have stated what Sweden has done without shutting down their economy and destroying jobs. I never said we should copy what they have done willy nilly. There is a balance somewhere which does not involve destroying millions of jobs. For example, since children dont seem affected by the virus, schools could have remained open. Restaurants and bars could have been spaced out instead of forcing them to close. Hairdressing salons should remain closed because of direct human contact. Hope some of this is understandable to you.

Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, would have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.

Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.

As things are going, there is much "herd immunity" already being built up. As many economies are now beginning to gradually open, or about to do so within the next few weeks, the "herd immunity" will slowly & properly be built up even more, so that hospitals & such are not overwhelmed.

 

[canada-man]

Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, would have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.

Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.

As things are going, there is much "herd immunity" already being built up. As many economies are now beginning to gradually open, or about to do so within the next few weeks, the "herd immunity" will slowly & properly be built up even more, so that hospitals & such are not overwhelmed.

isolation and lonlinesss weakened immune systems


https://www.sciencealert.com/social-isolation-linked-to-higher-levels-of-inflammation-says-new-study


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...icles/303084&usg=AOvVaw2l-s5TiEkTFTrN_TTmpN17

 

[squeezer]

She is already out of quarantine without symptoms. So your statement "without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths" is without foundation.

Herd immunity is not being built by isolating people.

You are the king of FALSEHOODS! Christina did test positive and regardless of symptoms or not she MUST quarantine for 14 days not a couple of days. She has lost smell and taste but isn't yet experiencing the harsher symptoms felt by Chris. Alex Baldwin on the other hand in her own words went through hell and back fighting Covid.

Another young person is May Warren's story.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...vid-19-was-so-much-worse-than-i-expected.html

 

[Malibuk]

Sweden doesn't have anything to be proud of and I think it's going to get worse if they actually test enough to know the real stats.

Perhaps it is premature to declare Sweden the loser in the 3rd inning.

 

[lomotil]

90% of Canadian deaths are 60+
More than 50% of Canadian deaths are nursing homes

I keep posting not to believe the hype but this lockdown is insanity
Esp since majority of the dead had nothing to do with daily work WHY do we persist in this stupid lockdown mentality

Predictions of a Great Depression style recession should finish off everyones investments and property values


https://o.canada.com/news/national/...an-deaths-from-covid-19-are-those-over-age-60

The 60+ crowd still has significant wealth and voting power which is not lost on the politicians. Furthermore you comment is asinine and egregious for many reasons.

 

[ALICSAM]

Perhaps it is premature to declare Sweden the loser in the 3rd inning.

Sweden doesn't have anything to be proud of it when compared BAD (Sweden) vs. Worst (UK + other European countries + US). They should compared with other place in Asia i.e. Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong which are far better than Sweden when they implemented a better strategy than Sweden.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

This pandemic is not a joke. The government is "giving" everyone $2k a month and you're still able to earn an additional $1k on top of that and still qualify. Yeah you might be bored and you might need a haircut but people are literally dying. It's not just old, sick people. You don't need to have a preexisting condition.

I'm sure many of you have "low risk" jobs in an office but not everyone has the same. 99% of reputable providers are not working rn because WE COULD LITERALLY DIE!

Why do you guy think you're exempt from catching this??? You guys sound like Donald Trump rn. He doesn’t think this virus is an issue and the other day 4K people died in the US IN ONE DAY.

In retrospect....go ahead, put yourself at risk and die, the planet is too over populated anyways.

It just depends on where you fall on the spectrum: how much you value human life vs. how much you value your pocketbook. It's clear which side someone's on just by reading the posts.

 

[Malibuk]

It just depends on where you fall on the spectrum: how much you value human life vs. how much you value your pocketbook. It's clear which side someone's on just by reading the posts.

It is not a matter of one or the other.

There is no way to wait for a vaccine, which is likely at least 18 months away.
It is impossible to save everybody.
This is simply reality.

Even with the vast social safety net here, there are already numerous people and companies that can`t even pay their basic bills.
What about the hundreds of millions with virtually no cash of social safety net.
Do you think they are concerned about social distancing when they will have nothing to eat?

Way more will die in an economic depression.
Printing trillions of dollars out of thin air is unsustainable band-aid.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

It is not a matter of one or the other.

It is.

 

[Malibuk]

Sweden doesn't have anything to be proud of it when compared BAD (Sweden) vs. Worst (UK + other European countries + US). They should compared with other place in Asia i.e. Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong which are far better than Sweden when they implemented a better strategy than Sweden.

Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan have done the best jobs, but I don`t think it is simple for every country to emulate.
I also don`t think every country could have pulled off what Sweden has done.

As I don`t see us shutting down again for the next wave, we had better prepare for the Sweden model.